Have you ever bought in-game currency from the MMO secondary market?

[Onte]

I've never bought it, however, I have sold it. Why did I sell it? Because I could. Why did people buy it off me? Because they could.

You cannot convince a couple hundred thousand people (random number) that the practice is, in your opinion, cheating. But the powers-that-be sure can. Go bitch at them for awhile.

[Dis]

Originally Posted by Maxxius

Then fuck you for ruining the game for others because you are too lazy to play it the intended way and don't care that others get screwed over. Yup, big words on your part.

You show me where the "play it the intended way" manual is, and then show me "how exactly people are getting screwed" evidence then maybe I will think about not buying gold. Your theorycraft can kiss my ass.

O and BTW, get off your soapbox, I havent bought a bit of gold yet. The fact that I am someone who used to be against it, but now am changing my mind should be what concerns you. Just because you "think" it is intended, doesnt make it right. See if your mind can wrap around that thought.

[nyx]

Like I said, any of you momo's that think it doesn't hurt a game should log into L2 and sit in the Dark Elf starting area, just have a look at what it does to a game.

It's cheating. It's like using the console to give yourself 1000k and buy whatever the fuck you want off of any vendor. Oh yeah you can say, well "I" didn't do that, but the farmers sure the fuck did. You pay them to cheat. Good Job! You keep telling yourself that its ok cause you make more money so therefore your time means more then other players.

My recommendation to you: Play single player games and use your hacks there, stay out of mmorpgs, you motherfuckers.

[Weritech]

Originally Posted by Maxxius

1) True only to a degree. Players can fix it too by simply stop creating the market.

2) and 3) are irrelevant to the thread. It's a discussion.

4) Is irrelevant to the AVERAGE customer, except Blizzard's actions obviously.

And your last comment is superfluous. Where did I ever say ban all gold buyers?

And to be crystal clear, and repetitive: Kill the market, stops the farming. You, however, do not want to kill the market since it is obvious you want the farming to conitnue, regardless of its impact on the game since it satisfies your personal needs. As I said before, a basic "screw you" attitude.

Just shut up...

You're like some 19 year-old college emo soapboxing at a campus bench to a chorus of silent confirmation about the "simple" solutions to all the world's problems.

Believe it or not, you don't have any new ideas and simply lack to the experience to see what you've said for the fanciful bullshit it is.

[Maxxius]

Originally Posted by Dis

You show me where the "play it the intended way" manual is, and then show me "how exactly people are getting screwed" evidence then maybe I will think about not buying gold. Your theorycraft can kiss my ass.

O and BTW, get off your soapbox, I havent bought a bit of gold yet. The fact that I am someone who used to be against it, but now am changing my mind should be what concerns you. Just because you "think" it is intended, doesnt make it right. See if your mind can wrap around that thought.

You that shallow? You honestly arguing that IRL buying of gold was an intended play feature of the game? It is nothing more than an exploit and you know it. Stop rationalizing it any other way.

[Dis]

Originally Posted by nyx

Like I said, any of you momo's that think it doesn't hurt a game should log into L2 and sit in the Dark Elf starting area, just have a look at what it does to a game.

It's cheating. It's like using the console to give yourself 1000k and buy whatever the fuck you want off of any vendor. Oh yeah you can say, well "I" didn't do that, but the farmers sure the fuck did. You pay them to cheat. Good Job! You keep telling yourself that its ok cause you make more money so therefore your time means more then other players.

My recommendation to you: Play single player games and use your hacks there, stay out of mmorpgs, you motherfuckers.

We are talking about time spent to make gold to sink into repairs and mats for potions/consumables, you are talking about buying equipment to twink your characters or something (I dont play L2, and I dont really fucking care about L2).

Quick note for the retards: L2 is not WoW (simple enough for you?)

Stop fucking posting please

[Maxxius]

Originally Posted by Weritech

Just shut up...

You're like some 19 year-old college emo soapboxing at a campus bench to a chorus of silent confirmation about the "simple" solutions to all the world's problems.

Believe it or not, you don't have any new ideas and simply lack to the experience to see what you've said for the fanciful bullshit it is.

I wish I was. Just tired of reading tripe from people like you who think it is "cool" to cheat and screw others.

NYX I couldn't have said it better.

[Weritech]

Originally Posted by Zuuljin

By buying gold, you support TERRORISM! This was a thinly veiled attempt to see how many people support terrorism. The feds are on the way...

Sadly, all it will take is one analyst somewhere to pull a multi-million dollar MMO sales export figure out of his ass and get FOX news to mention it. Next, a worthless congressman from some backwards state wildly overstate the "threat", run a bill up the pole and...

...your joke will be a sad reality.

[Makata]

Originally Posted by masteen

I would still rather not have to pay China, but I'll be goddamned if I was gonna farm that shit.

Totally man. Fuck actually working for it. You deserve those items YESTERDAY! American Express, it's everywhere you wanna be!

Originally Posted by Jaytee Bushwacker

The game has become just that to me...a game I derive enjoyment from. It is no longer my passion but more of a hobby I like to play when I have time.

That's cool man. I ain't knocking people based off their play time. If you wanna do 20 hours a week, its your life. 10? 5? 1? Don't matter to me. What pisses me off is people like you think that BECAUSE you only have a limited play time, you have the right to forgo the only cost associated with the game. What's the point of 3 sets of epics if you didn't shed blood, sweat, and tears for them? What's the glory in achieving a goal if all you had to do was show up and hit 1 every 2.5 seconds. Farming gold might not be a mentally challenging or difficult task but it makes the fun parts far more enjoyable. Do you get pissed off that you have to do stupid shit you don't want to at work? Hey, why not quit and rob a bank? Far less effort.

If you spend so much time online why is it you aren't in that guild too getting "spoonfed" right along with him? Every single guild I know of places a premium on playtime as a requirement for consideration. Do you just prefer the solo game in which case I don't know why your bitching or do you just suck at playing your class so they don't wnat you or are you just generally such an argumentative ass they don't want you no matter how good/how much time you might play?

I'm in a pvp guild. That's what we do. We do MC, try BWL, and such to relieve a bit of the boredom but 8+ hours a day our main crew is farming warsong. I enjoy pvp because there's actually a challenge. You aren't guaranteed success. You constantly have to adjust strategy, unlike a raid where fucking robots could play just as well. I do MC and BWL for the loot but its the most god awful boring shit on the planet. The problem of course is that you can't blaze through pvp like you can raid instances so loot progression is much slower, but that's obviously another topic.

[nyx]

Originally Posted by Dis

We are talking about time spent to make gold to sink into repairs and mats for potions/consumables, you are talking about buying equipment to twink your characters or something (I dont play L2, and I dont really fucking care about L2).

Quick note for the retards: L2 is not WoW (simple enough for you?)

Stop fucking posting please

You, or some asshole in this thread asked how supporting the purchase of in game currency could possibly effect anyone, and I cite a specific and very detrimental way, and you ask me to stop posting because it is a different game? Well isn't that lovely logic.... I point out how rampant farmers have already ruined another game, and because it doesn't effect you directly, it doesn't count. You win the dumbass award. Thanks for playing.

[Dis]

Originally Posted by Makata

Totally man. Fuck actually working for it. You deserve those items YESTERDAY! American Express, it's everywhere you wanna be!

That's cool man. I ain't knocking people based off their play time. If you wanna do 20 hours a week, its your life. 10? 5? 1? Don't matter to me. What pisses me off is people like you think that BECAUSE you only have a limited play time, you have the right to forgo the only cost associated with the game. What's the point of 3 sets of epics if you didn't shed blood, sweat, and tears for them? What's the glory in achieving a goal if all you had to do was show up and hit 1 every 2.5 seconds. Farming gold might not be a mentally challenging or difficult task but it makes the fun parts far more enjoyable. Do you get pissed off that you have to do stupid shit you don't want to at work? Hey, why not quit and rob a bank? Far less effort.

I'm in a pvp guild. That's what we do. We do MC, try BWL, and such to relieve a bit of the boredom but 8+ hours a day our main crew is farming warsong. I enjoy pvp because there's actually a challenge. You aren't guaranteed success. You constantly have to adjust strategy, unlike a raid where fucking robots could play just as well. I do MC and BWL for the loot but its the most god awful boring shit on the planet. The problem of course is that you can't blaze through pvp like you can raid instances so loot progression is much slower, but that's obviously another topic.

Let durability be a factor during PvP, O LORD would you change your tune so fast. The rest of your BS is too stupid to comment on.

[Dis]

Originally Posted by nyx

You, or some asshole in this thread asked how supporting the purchase of in game currency could possibly effect anyone, and I cite a specific and very detrimental way, and you ask me to stop posting because it is a different game? Well isn't that lovely logic.... I point out how rampant farmers have already ruined another game, and because it doesn't effect you directly, it doesn't count. You win the dumbass award. Thanks for playing.

Apparently it wasnt simple enough...

[Weritech]

Originally Posted by nyx

Like I said, any of you momo's that think it doesn't hurt a game should log into L2 and sit in the Dark Elf starting area, just have a look at what it does to a game.

It's cheating. It's like using the console to give yourself 1000k and buy whatever the fuck you want off of any vendor. Oh yeah you can say, well "I" didn't do that, but the farmers sure the fuck did.

Another person whose time is worthless, proven by having actually logged into L2.

Originally Posted by nyx

You pay them to cheat. Good Job! You keep telling yourself that its ok cause you make more money so therefore your time means more then other players.

Oh my god, you poor unfortunate bastard who doesn't make enough money to be an arrogant spendthrift like me.

Save that bullshit and stop making me sick.

No half-responsible person who pays to buy and play these games, much less the computer, video card and 'net connection required for them is even approaching destitute. All this bullshit is well into the realm of excess expendable income.

Originally Posted by nyx

My recommendation to you: Play single player games and use your hacks there, stay out of mmorpgs, you motherfuckers.

Fuck you too, you angry little toad.

Keep believing that trading hours upon hours of your life for an extra blizzard-owned digit in a database somewhere is an exercise in high nobility.

[nyx]

No let me make it very simple for you.

If companies turned a blind eye to buying and selling of in game currency, you would have L2. People arguing that its a-ok because they make a buck in RL and they don't have the time to invest, should realize that there is an overall cost to the game, the community, and the industry in general.

If SoE and Blizzard decided to one day, say fuck it, and allow anyone to buy and sell currency, you would see the bot trains you see in L2, you would see the robots by the dozens taking over areas and taking over spawns. There would be /who hunter 60 x 10000 in Dire Maul, and the value of anything you sold on the player market would be inflated beyond any reasonable proportion. You would be in essence, forced to buy from the secondary market to keep up.

How the fuck is that a good idea? No, you and your selfish compadres can only see the benefit to yourself, and that is where your logic fails, and fails badly.

[Samus Aran]

Originally Posted by nyx

No let me make it very simple for you.

If companies turned a blind eye to buying and selling of in game currency, you would have L2. People arguing that its a-ok because they make a buck in RL and they don't have the time to invest, should realize that there is an overall cost to the game, the community, and the industry in general.

If SoE and Blizzard decided to one day, say fuck it, and allow anyone to buy and sell currency, you would see the bot trains you see in L2, you would see the robots by the dozens taking over areas and taking over spawns. There would be /who hunter 60 x 10000 in Dire Maul, and the value of anything you sold on the player market would be inflated beyond any reasonable proportion. You would be in essence, forced to buy from the secondary market to keep up.

How the fuck is that a good idea? No, you and your selfish compadres can only see the benefit to yourself, and that is where your logic fails, and fails badly.

THEY DO ALLOW YOU IT!

Blizzard and SOE DO NOT ban gold buyers. Only sellers.

The reason? $$?

You and you're friends Makata and whoever else are the only ones left concerned with protecting the integrity of the game. Everyone else is laughing at you (SOE+Blizz included).