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[Hachima]

Originally Posted by Cad

FYI you can play computer games on any HDTV as well - 1280x720 looks nice as does 1920x1080 if your TV can do the detail.

And playing games on a plasma is a bad idea - I'll let you google on it to find out why.

http://www.fcw.com/vendorsolutions/panasonicplasma.pdf says you are absolutely wrong.

And I've spent all day gaming sessions on my plasma and will also tell you that you are wrong.

First few hundred hours you can wreck you set yes. And if you see a burned image in a store its most likely because they opened it from the box and didn't burn it in properly and wrecked it.



If you buy a brand new sports car its the same deal. They tell you not to go over a certain speed the first few hundered miles. Does that mean your new sports car sucks for going at fast speeds? Definately not.

Modern plasmas are great for gaming, especialy Panasonic. I've had mine for almost 1.5 years, played tons of Xbox,PS2,360 on it and no problems.

Edit:

9 years ago when Pioneer first started selling plasma screens to the public you would be right. Plasmas only had about 10k hours for 1/2 life or maybe less. That was a long time ago though. Current plasmas esitmate 60,000 hours for their 1/2 life (50% the original brightness) This is the same half life LCDs and CRTs claim. That is a big part of the reason why modern plasmas are just fine for games.Just as good as any other display tech that is out there as far as preventing burn in.

A long time ago you could have also said LCD monitors are horrible for gaming. With early response rate times being so high on LCDs, yeah it was a valid statement. This has also changed and I personally prefer to game on my 24" WS LCD.

[Malakie Torsade]

Originally Posted by Aethn Anvel

$600 is nothing to a serious gamer.

Speak for yourself. I consider myself a serious gamer and definately not buying a PS3 (except the ones I'm gonna re-sell!) Would I spend that much on my PC, which I get much more use out of? Absolutely. But $600 for a base system which is notoroius for hardware problems? No thanks.

*insert comments about how I must work at McDonald's HERE*

[Soriak]

Would I spend that much on my PC, which I get much more use out of? Absolutely.

If you look at what you can get for $600, the performance increase isn't all that big. Sure, you can get a new graphic card - but if you don't have at least 1gb of fast RAM, it won't do all that much good. Or you play at the highest resolution, but the screen is too small etc. Generally, you end up spending much more than $600 for a serious upgrade.

Eventually the trade off is between having a PS3 and playing PC games on high and not having a PS3 and playing them on very high.

[Cryptin]

Originally Posted by Malakie Torsade

But $600 for a base system which is notoroius for hardware problems? No thanks.

I've almost owned every console system and I have never encountered a bad one and I always buy 1st generation systems. The ratio of PCs having problems playing games than console can't be even compared. If I put the game in that console 99% of the time it will run unless I get a bad disc and that has only happened once with Dragon Warrrior 8 for the PS2. There been times with my PC the fucking game won't even install and when it does I get a shitload of problems and completely fucks up my PC.

[leane]

Thing is people here are SERIOUS gamers... but I think the serious crowd is a minority. yes we have no problem slapping down 600 bucks on a video card (I know I did) but mom and pop buying the console for their kids are gonna see that number and freak out. People with bills, expenses, morgage, car payments aren't gonna be tossing around that much cash. PS3 has an uphill battle to convince people its worth paying that much, particularly against a much cheaper Wii and second generation xbox360 titles plus a likely 360 drop in price conviently close to the PS3 launch date.

[Szlia]

"mom and pop buying the console for their kids" again: not the target audience before 2010.

[Hachima]

Originally Posted by leane

Thing is people here are SERIOUS gamers... but I think the serious crowd is a minority. yes we have no problem slapping down 600 bucks on a video card (I know I did) but mom and pop buying the console for their kids are gonna see that number and freak out. People with bills, expenses, morgage, car payments aren't gonna be tossing around that much cash. PS3 has an uphill battle to convince people its worth paying that much, particularly against a much cheaper Wii and second generation xbox360 titles plus a likely 360 drop in price conviently close to the PS3 launch date.

And how many thousand auctions for the 360 went for over $1000 for a $400 system. You only kid yourself if you think its going to be a battle to convince people to pay that much. Maybe that person isn't you but there are plenty out there. I'm sure MS wishes they would of increased the original price even more.

[Mkopec1]

Originally Posted by Szlia

"mom and pop buying the console for their kids" again: not the target audience before 2010.

Yeah I dont understand this either when time and time again we see in surveys and other means that the "true" gamers are 20-30.

But im betting that there will also be tons of spoiled little brats with Ps3's among other systems. Its the second best babysitter next to the TV.

[Simas]

Yeah in the same thread that people are complaining about the price others are talking about plans to preorder --> ebay. Does anyone really doubt that this will sell out?

People were paying $1000 for 360 for what? Kameo, a game where you turn into a fucking plant, and a barebones Madden?

As for the original topic, it better not be anything like Playonline. Anyone know if the vanilla EQ server will be part of that deal or is a special "pay extra" server? VG + vanilla EQ to screw around in when I'm bored would be pretty sweet.

[findar]

oh there is no doubt any console will sell out for the first 3 months it hits the market. there is always enough people who dont care, they are just making a point that for once price is a bigger factor in buying one.

[Utnayan]

I think people are forgetting that a big part of this experience is also having the right TV set to display it, and that should count as equipment too if you are comparing PC's to PS3. I can buy a great system for about $2000 and that will include one hell of a screen. A good DLP 1080p set is going to run 3 grand easy. Otherwise, you're at 1080i or 720p, which you can definitely tell the differences on.

So if you want to be considered taking advantage of everything the PS3 has to offer, you ar going to be spending 4 grand unless you already have a set which displays 1080p.

[Zuuljin]

Originally Posted by Simas

People were paying $1000 for 360 for what? Kameo, a game where you turn into a fucking plant, and a barebones Madden?

Related story. My gf's cousins camped out in front of best buy to pick up the 360 the first day they had it. Well the next morning walking out of the store, some guy offered them $3000 for it. Unfortunantly it was their christmas present and they didnt take the money. I live in a fairly rich neighborhood so I wasnt suprised by this at all. However I vowed never to make such a mistake, which is why i'm ordering a few PS3's for ebay/parkinglot sales the day of/after. Never underestimate the rich and lazy.

[Soygen]

Originally Posted by Utnayan

I think people are forgetting that a big part of this experience is also having the right TV set to display it, and that should count as equipment too if you are comparing PC's to PS3. I can buy a great system for about $2000 and that will include one hell of a screen. A good DLP 1080p set is going to run 3 grand easy. Otherwise, you're at 1080i or 720p, which you can definitely tell the differences on.

So if you want to be considered taking advantage of everything the PS3 has to offer, you ar going to be spending 4 grand unless you already have a set which displays 1080p.

I already have a HD plasma that isn't just used for video games, so it's not really a fair comparison. People will be using their HD displays for TV, movies and gaming. I would say it's a better investment than a computer monitor for a lot of people(especially if you have a family). Not to mention, a HD display isn't required for the PS3, so you could always put that off till you could afford it. My computer monitor is only used for using my computer, however.

As for the buying a 600 console that will just break, I have never had a console die on me except for my PSX which broke like 8 years after I got it. My PS2 is an original run, first release day model and it still works flawlessly to this day(and it's been hella-used).

[Obtenor]

Originally Posted by Soriak

Dual top-of-the-line graphic cards might just cost you $1,200 alone. Then you need a 64bit processor, top RAM etc etc - that's easily breaking the $3,000 mark. And that's before you add a new widescreen high def monitor, which might just add another $1,000+

And before the year is over, your pc will be worth half as much and already lag behind the cream of the crop - 2 years later you won't run games on max settings anymore. That's quite a lot of money to invest.


With a console you can just plug it in and KNOW that everything is going to run smoothly without the need to upgrade anything. That and you get to play it on however big your TV is. Gaming on a 42'' Plasma has a certain appeal


And as mentioned before: the two final fantasy XIII games will be exclusive to the PS3. That alone should be reason enough to buy it

Yes, but a Desktop has many more uses than a console, email, work, programming, chat, cyber, etc. So the investment pays off a ton more than a console you'll recycle 2 years later.

[Soygen]

So the investment pays off a ton more than a console you'll recycle 2 years later.

2 years later? PS2 came out 6 years ago. That's 50 dollars a year if you bought in the first year it was out. I would say that investment is worth it, if you like video games. 600 dollars for a system that will probably be around the same amount of time is still a pretty nice investment.

I upgrade my video card/cpu at a minimum of every 2 years(usually more often). And I'll be honest, while I do a lot of things on my PC, 80% of what I do on it, is gaming.