Vanguard E3 Coverage

[elrich]

1) I am not hyping a damn thing. Havn't, and won't.

2) I am *hoping* that Vanguard will be good, this, in no way, equates to hype or to what I actually think the game will be like.

3) I am not in beta. I do not trust opinions leaking from beta. This includes the negative that I read on this board, and the positive that I hear from friends of friends and such who are in it. I trust none of that.

4a) I am waiting patiently until the game is in a state where *Sigil* says it is ready to go public. That means that it will be 'complete' to enough of an extent to measure it against what they want it to be.

4b) To elaborate, at this phase, I (nor you) do not have any way of knowing what changes Sigil will make to their game between now and release. There is only speculation. Your speculating makes you look like you have more than a small vested interest in Vanguard failing.

5) Until such conditions are met that I can judge a 'complete' (the half quotes are to symbolize that I know full well it will never be complete, but that it is complete enough for release, and fufills the VISION) version of the game, then I will continue to wait patiently and refrain from making judgements. ANYTHING ELSE IS PURE ASSHATTERY.

That means you sir, are every bit as much of an asshat as the Vanguard fanbois (who are also asshattery incarnate)

[Frax]

Originally Posted by Nebuchadnezzar

Do you think we could have at least one VG thread without some idiotic argument and fanboy/flamebaiter love fest? I'd like to be able to get some decent E3 news on it without having to skim through the stupidity.

Would be nice, huh? :/

[Angrier]

Utanyan saved me $50 on car insurance.

FIGHT THE MOTHERFUCKING POWER!

aha rofl

[Utnayan]

Originally Posted by Cad

Utanyan, do you have a job? If so, at that job, have you ever made any kind of mistake? Large or small?

I make mistakes all the time. I also own up to them immediately. When I make mistakes, people know about it. I do not hide them. I am proactive in admitting them, not waiting for someone else to find out about them and then change my behavior. I also do not stand to make a shitload of money by hiding my mistakes or have an agenda for pulling the wool over those eyes that will spend money on my work.

Would you like for that mistake to be thrown in your face by the mail boy at every meeting you say anything which sounds like "I can do this." ?

If I had a record for continually misleading people, not doing my job, and not taking responsibility for my actions while playing the infalliability card, I would expect it.

As far as the rest of the jabs go, bring it on. This has always been my posting style. I cannot stand pre-press hype that takes a game, blows it out of proportion, has no chance of meeting that hype, but yet will still sell based on the marketing ploys. 5 months from now you will still be playing the same damn Vanguard - and that is the entire point. Just what do you expect to change in 5 months? Core systems? Core combat? Tradeskill systems? You aren't going to see any of that change, and that is why I am talking about it. Those are core systems in Vanguard that WON'T change. Period. It would take over a year to redesign that functionality. Winter 2006 means throwing in as much content as possible and shipping it out to bank on subscriptions to pay for the rest of development. Par for the course for McQuaid, and definitely par for the course for Butler's inept producing scheduling techniques.

What you will see in 5 months will be content, content, and more content additions. Period.

How about you ask beta testers how responsive Sigil has been to their concerns? Ask them first hand what they continually think of the changes being made that in no way reflect the changes desired or needed? While they are working on a new character creation system and bullshit housing elements so you can have 8,000 variations of a couch, the game itself still remains a pile of shit while they pull the Rich Vogel approach of deflecting the problems and redirecting gamers to look at something else.

The last time I said everything I am saying now, was in relation to Star Wars Galaxies. I took the heat then, and I'll bump this in the future.

Until then, I post because it is my biggest pet peeve to see dishonesty in the gaming industry, and right now people following this game are unknowingly in one of the biggest head game spin con artist jobs of all time. And it pisses me off.

[Vaclav]

Originally Posted by Utnayan

Better than sticking my head up my own ass while ignoring valid beta tester complaints 5 months from release.

When all else fails, sucker up and ride the hype train right Digits? Kiss ass back on IGN. Here we can write opinions not swayed because a developer posts in the thread.

Digits is a beta tester - as stated in the other thread....

And one that was speaking negatively until recently he's started seeing positive changes.

[T.Oceanwalker]

Originally Posted by elrich

ANYTHING ELSE IS PURE ASSHATTERY.

This man speaks the truth.

[Utnayan]

Originally Posted by Vaclav

Digits is a beta tester - as stated in the other thread....

And one that was speaking negatively until recently he's started seeing positive changes.

Yeah, looks like it.

176 has been the magic number for the past few days whenever I'm on, and I do try my best to actually test the content and give feedback. There's alot of shit in the game that makes no sense, specifically the complete lack of direction at low levels, the terribly bugged animations and...god, lots else. The most amazing thing is the game somehow manages to be so complicated and so mind numbingly simple at the same time. I have 6 buttons to push in a fight, and combined theres something like 30 different effects I can push out as a ranger. Holy shit, that is the most pointless shit I've ever seen, and I don't even want to go into it.

The term 'placeholder' has never been used so liberally with a game. Placeholder animations, placeholder sounds, placeholder dungeons, placeholder content, placeholder hair ect ect ect. Here's an idea, why don't you actually finish one fucking aspect of the game before you submit it for testing? It just diminishes the experience otherwise, and it is fucking LUDICROUS how bad it is.

Posted 4 days ago.


Also, while digits didn't post this, another from beta did:

The reason an NDA exists is because mindless sheep like you have to sit around and point out all the flaws and negativity in a game that isn't even halfway done.

If it isn't even halfway finished by now, good luck getting that done by winter of 2006. And that goes to my entire case in point. It won't. And people will be yet again paying money for half assed product on a play now patch later program. Also developed by McQuaid in 1999.

[Cad]

Originally Posted by Utnayan

Yeah, looks like it.



Posted 4 days ago.

But you know what he's doing? Posting actual feedback about what is wrong with the game, first-hand. And he doesn't spam every thread with it while bringing up EQ stuff from 6 years ago. You're just spamming the Brad-hate.

[Schatze]

Can you smell that? That's the smell of several years old festering nerd hate. Isn't it intoxicating?

P.S. It'd be a lot easier to just copy and paste "I HATE EVERYTHING THAT ISN"T WOW, AND MY FANBOYISM DEMANDS I WAGE HOLY WAR ON ALL ELSE. I AM IMPORTANT!"

[Vaclav]

Originally Posted by elrich

1) I am not hyping a damn thing. Havn't, and won't.

2) I am *hoping* that Vanguard will be good, this, in no way, equates to hype or to what I actually think the game will be like.

3) I am not in beta. I do not trust opinions leaking from beta. This includes the negative that I read on this board, and the positive that I hear from friends of friends and such who are in it. I trust none of that.

4a) I am waiting patiently until the game is in a state where *Sigil* says it is ready to go public. That means that it will be 'complete' to enough of an extent to measure it against what they want it to be.

4b) To elaborate, at this phase, I (nor you) do not have any way of knowing what changes Sigil will make to their game between now and release. There is only speculation. Your speculating makes you look like you have more than a small vested interest in Vanguard failing.

5) Until such conditions are met that I can judge a 'complete' (the half quotes are to symbolize that I know full well it will never be complete, but that it is complete enough for release, and fufills the VISION) version of the game, then I will continue to wait patiently and refrain from making judgements. ANYTHING ELSE IS PURE ASSHATTERY.

That means you sir, are every bit as much of an asshat as the Vanguard fanbois (who are also asshattery incarnate)

Let's start a cult - you can handle the brochures.

(Not kidding either - we've got all these fanboy and anti-fanboy "cults" - we need one for us rationalists - and you've clearly got a good method for breaking it down for the idiots, better than me for sure)

[elrich]

I do like cults...

[Utnayan]

Originally Posted by Cad

But you know what he's doing? Posting actual feedback about what is wrong with the game, first-hand. And he doesn't spam every thread with it while bringing up EQ stuff from 6 years ago. You're just spamming the Brad-hate.

Actually, I was making Vaclav's point invalid.

Can you smell that? That's the smell of several years old festering nerd hate. Isn't it intoxicating?

Another one of my favorite excuses. If it was nerd hate, I would still be bashing Smedley. Notice how when he and I were going back and forth, he admitted to his mistakes, looked into deletion of threads on the SWG forums and found out it was workers deleting entire threads instead of posts, as well as realizing and admitting that in fact that had released unfinished content and sold it.

My "nerd hate" vanished once he apologized and admitted those mistakes, and then also said that EQ2 would be putting out only one expansion a year as a result. Now let's see where that goes.

Much different then what I see from McQuaid, who cannot admit mistakes in his design method with Vanguard, but will continue to play the press card because his ass is on the line while all he has to do is do what Garriot did.

"This game sucks... We need more time than 5 months. We want to make it fun for you, so we are redeveloping".

You aren't going to see that. You're going to see another Luclin hit the pavement with your Visa in the ringer for 6 months to finish it, redesign it, what have you - just like the good ol' days.

McQuaid: Do the right thing and push the project indefinitely until you can redesign what needs to be redesigned from the core systems in place. It's a hell of a lot better than what's on the plate for your loyal gamers come November.

[Vaclav]

Originally Posted by Utnayan

If it isn't even halfway finished by now, good luck getting that done by winter of 2006. And that goes to my entire case in point. It won't. And people will be yet again paying money for half assed product on a play now patch later program. Also developed by McQuaid in 1999.

Yes, and players are GREAT at stating when content is half, two-thirds, or completely done, aren't they?

Content is relatively easy and quick to impliment, and frankly, it's the only part of design that can be quantified - but by the same token, any developer with a brain in their skull knows not to put more content on the beta than neccesary to test to prevent pre-release complete spoilers a la some other MMO.

So what does "half done" mean? The poster doesn't have a clue about where it is in development, but he thinks it's got a ways to go, in his uneducated opinion.

Just like when my lady recently screamed at me about the car not working - that it was completely ruined and we needed to get a new car.... 30 min later I bought and installed a new fan belt, and everything started working fine...

She knows shit about cars, so she assumed the problem was cataclysmic and would take a ton of effort to fix in an overdramatic fashion - when the reality was a trivial fix.

Now, what's even worse than being overdramatic and making one of those scenes is taking quotes of those overdramatic idiots and quoting it as scripture without even a slight grain of salt.

[Gar]

Originally Posted by Cad

But you know what he's doing? Posting actual feedback about what is wrong with the game, first-hand. And he doesn't spam every thread with it while bringing up EQ stuff from 6 years ago. You're just spamming the Brad-hate.

Why do people care? Most of us love this god damn genre and more multimillion MMORPGs that fail will kill it. You heard it from Brad's mouth and his game seems to be heading towards that direction. That is why he gets the heat. If that dev team has more hearth than fuckwits they call "devs" who first "fell in love" into this genre in SWG, they better make the god damn game work. Otherwise damage done to future MMORPGs will be god damn huge.

All I can say to VG's dev team is that make that shit work, since otherwise you have fucked much more than just the funding given to you. Time to show you actually care.

[Soygen]

Originally Posted by Schatze

Can you smell that? That's the smell of several years old festering nerd hate. Isn't it intoxicating?

P.S. It'd be a lot easier to just copy and paste "I HATE EVERYTHING THAT ISN"T WOW, AND MY FANBOYISM DEMANDS I WAGE HOLY WAR ON ALL ELSE. I AM IMPORTANT!"

I hate the smell of nerd hate in the morning.