SoE to publish Vanguard

[Cuppycake]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Smed, which booth with Vanguard be presented in? SOE or MS?

They already stated elsewhere that all 3 companies will share the booth.

[Hachima]

Originally Posted by Reolien01

What kills me is how everyone thinks that Microsoft thought Vanguard sucked so they dropped them. Fact is,



Here is my source http://www.guforums.com/showthread.p...500#post186500

So this basically means the following:

MS invested a lot of money into Vanguard. They wanted a return on their money so they could fund other projects. They wanted Vanguard to appeal to more people like WoW. Brad doesn't share this view and wants to follow his vision instead and he also doesn't want to release it so early.

So MS gets their money back and gets to start funding 360 projects and they are happy.

Brad gets to follow his vision and he is happy.

SOE gets to boost access subscriptions and they are happy.

Brad gets to follow his vision and he is happy.

There are a lot of things about his vision that I don't care for so who knows if I will be happy.

[beepbeepbeep]

Originally Posted by Drauk

Bullshit. Unless you don't count WWII victims as killed by Hitler.

Rough estimate of WWII victims - 25 millions
Rough estimate of people died from Stalin's regime - 2 millons

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm#Stalin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=003...2-0&size=LARGE

Recorded history would be inclined to disagree with you. Virtually every historian agrees that a minimum of 10 million people were killed as a direct result of Stalin's regime.

[findar]

remember when homm5 was gunna hit shelves and all the fans went into a frenzy because it sucked so they put it back into dev?

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Cuppycake

They already stated elsewhere that all 3 companies will share the booth.

Uh... Microsoft promoting their XBox360 lineup, their rival Sony with the impending PS3 release announcements, and Vanguard will be sharing the same pavillion? Now that WOULD be one hell of an E3, but sorry, I doubt that's how it's gonna work out.

I'm guessing webzen has like a real 747 in their booth to promote SUN. NCSoft brings in the 1st Marine Division to perform a broadway musical version of Tabula Rasa on a full-scale Roman amphitheater. But Sony and Microsoft, with the living rooms of the entire western world at stake, would have displays an order of magnitude more complex. Separately.

[Libra]

Originally Posted by Laek

You decide to become involved in a game that has to send out a survey to figure out why no one wants to play it and you think its a good thing?

Heh, you're not the smartest guy are you? It's common practice for companies that have subscription based services to survey the canceling customer - it allows the company to see what areas of their service need attention. Fixing things that people don't like is a good way to win people back and to keep further people from canceling.

Also, I don't know if you're a WoW fanboy and just like to hate on SOE/EQ2, but World of Warcraft has a survey when you cancel as well.

[Hachima]

Originally Posted by Libra

Heh, you're not the smartest guy are you? It's common practice for companies that have subscription based services to survey the canceling customer - it allows the company to see what areas of their service need attention. Fixing things that people don't like is a good way to win people back and to keep further people from canceling.

Also, I don't know if you're a WoW fanboy and just like to hate on SOE/EQ2, but World of Warcraft has a survey when you cancel as well.

Is it common practice to send out a survey to the ENTIRE playerbase asking them why they are quiting? It sounds like you are the one that needs to do some thinking.

[Istros]

Originally Posted by Libra

Heh, you're not the smartest guy are you? It's common practice for companies that have subscription based services to survey the canceling customer - it allows the company to see what areas of their service need attention. Fixing things that people don't like is a good way to win people back and to keep further people from canceling.

Also, I don't know if you're a WoW fanboy and just like to hate on SOE/EQ2, but World of Warcraft has a survey when you cancel as well.

WoW's survey isnt 10 pages either, covering almost every aspect of the game.
The bottomline is: Only several dozen people have been playing VG beta each night, which has been in development for four years and now has been dropped by Microsoft, no matter what spin is put on this move by Brad or Smed.

[Designz]

Originally Posted by Hachima

Is it common practice to send out a survey to the ENTIRE playerbase asking them why they are quiting? It sounds like you are the one that needs to do some thinking.

What's wrong with doing that in a beta? It would be smart to take periodic surveys during beta.

[Reolien01]

Originally Posted by Hachima

Is it common practice to send out a survey to the ENTIRE playerbase asking them why they are quiting?

Way to put a spin on the survey questions, you should work for a liberal news station.

[Istros]

Well it looks like it will take the actual launch of VG to convince some that the game's going nowhere. The opposite is true of course..

But until Winter 2007, all we know is that things are not well at Sigil. First it was certain people leaving the company, then no one playing the beta and now this.

Unlike the idiots over at Sigil's forums, I have nothing against SOE. They did some awful decision making in the past with both EQ and SWG, but their track record with EQ2 lately looks solid. I'm more concerned with Vanguard itself, cause the signs arent any good.

[Hachima]

Originally Posted by Designz

What's wrong with doing that in a beta? It would be smart to take periodic surveys during beta.

Well read the post I replied to and you will notice your response has little to do with my argument.


Surveys are a good thing of course. Global surveys that have a main purpose of determining why you hate the game are not a good sign.

Sending out a detailed survey to try and figure out why your game sucks is absolutely a good thing.

Having a game that requires such a survey however, is not.

[Reolien01]

Originally Posted by Hachima

Well read the post I replied to and you will notice your response has little to do with my argument.


Surveys are a good thing of course. Global surveys that have a main purpose of determining why you hate the game are not a good sign.

Sending out a detailed survey to try and figure out why your game sucks is absolutely a good thing.

Having a game that requires such a survey however, is not.

HAI2U Spin doctor!

[BanquozGhost]

Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull

Also, of note: "Taranis - SGO Employee" would infer that he was a Sigil employee, not a Microsoft employee. Unless you're willing to state that ALL SGO employees are/were Microsoft employees.

Jon Grande (Taranis) is currently employed by Sigil, but did in fact move over from Microsoft not long after the relationship between Sigil and MS was announced.

[Laek]

Originally Posted by Libra

Heh, you're not the smartest guy are you? It's common practice for companies that have subscription based services to survey the canceling customer - it allows the company to see what areas of their service need attention. Fixing things that people don't like is a good way to win people back and to keep further people from canceling.

Also, I don't know if you're a WoW fanboy and just like to hate on SOE/EQ2, but World of Warcraft has a survey when you cancel as well.

You should learn some facts before speaking. The survey was sent out to everyone invited to beta and even a few that weren't to ask what is stopping people from playing the game. It ask questions about everything from lag to class types. The first survey the sent out was so badly done that they had to send out a second survey. The way the survey is writen is so confusing that Brad had to make a post explaining how to answer the questions.

I'm such a SOE hater that the only MMORPG subscription I pay is for EQ2. I also play WoW on and off since my guild keeps my priest account open.

So no I'm not the smartest guy but I'm smarter then you.