SoE to publish Vanguard

[Cuppycake]

Originally Posted by tjac

Sony Station offers

Everquest II
Everquest
Star Wars Galaxies
Matrix Online
Planetside
3 additional EQ spinoffs
Cosmic Rift
Tanarus
Infantry Online

I don't even know what the rest of those are except for EQ1 and EQ2. Those two games are worth paying the Station Access price for me. Shit..I paid $40.00 a month for two years while I was on Legends. /shrug.

[Reolien01]

Originally Posted by Slick Willey

P.S. Reolien01 -- you are now the undisputed official FoH Forum Vanboy. Seriously, are you hoping for a job with Sigil or something?

I wouldn't like to work for a gaming company. I play beta, I know what is good and what isn't. If those of you do not want to hear both sides of the spectrum don't read what I say. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by Slick Willey

ROFL! SOE is soooooooo far from even being close to this. Prediction: Even with Vanguard, SOE's stable of games won't match WoW's North American subscribers. Good grief, doesn't FFXI have more subscribers than all of SOE's games combined?

EQ1 and EQ2 combined have more subscriptions that FFXI alone, stop guessing off of the top of your head. Hell, SWG and EQ2 have asmuch subscribers as FFXI does. But ofcourse, my information is comming from January of 2006 and I can't find any more current information.

[Neric]

Originally Posted by Drauk

Bullshit. Unless you don't count WWII victims as killed by Hitler.

Rough estimate of WWII victims - 25 millions
Rough estimate of people died from Stalin's regime - 2 millons

For "location Russia" you should know it better, comrade

Anyways, this is not the place to discuss theories about casualties of the communist regime. I used Stalin and Hitler as a metaphor for going from bad to worse, nothing more and nothing less.

[Havelock]

Originally Posted by Drauk

Rough estimate of people died from Stalin's regime - 2 millons

Only if "rough" means "off by an order of magnitude."

[Reolien01]

What kills me is how everyone thinks that Microsoft thought Vanguard sucked so they dropped them. Fact is,

Microsoft was focussed on the 360, so Sigil raised the money to buy back publishing rights. And, since Brad and Smed are old friends and SOE has the framework in place to properly co-publish Vanguard, it was a logical move. Now, because I know someone will either ask or make assumptions about this, SOE did not provide Sigil with the funds to break away from Microsoft. Sigil raised the capital themselves.

Here is my source http://www.guforums.com/showthread.p...500#post186500

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Cuppycake

I don't even know what the rest of those are except for EQ1 and EQ2. Those two games are worth paying the Station Access price for me. Shit..I paid $40.00 a month for two years while I was on Legends. /shrug.

how can you NOT know about SWG or Matrix online? planetside maybe, but I know that and I don't keep track of what games are being released.

[blindeye]

How can you not know about Tanarus? Tank battle brought online!!!

[Istros]

Originally Posted by Reolien01

What kills me is how everyone thinks that Microsoft thought Vanguard sucked so they dropped them. Fact is, Microsoft was focussed on the 360, so Sigil raised the money to buy back publishing rights. And, since Brad and Smed are old friends and SOE has the framework in place to properly co-publish Vanguard, it was a logical move. Now, because I know someone will either ask or make assumptions about this, SOE did not provide Sigil with the funds to break away from Microsoft. Sigil raised the capital themselves.

Here is my source http://www.guforums.com/showthread.p...500#post186500

That doesnt read "Sigil raised the capital themselves" at all... what's rather said is: "Sigil raised the money to buy back publishing rights."

There's no "themselves" in that sentence, stop interjecting words. They raised the money FROM WHOM?

As already said in this thread, it's almost certain that the money comes from SOE.

[Cuppycake]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

how can you NOT know about SWG or Matrix online? planetside maybe, but I know that and I don't keep track of what games are being released.

Well I guess I phrased that wrong. I've never played any of the others, nor would I want to.

[Cuppycake]

Originally Posted by Istros

That doesnt read "Sigil raised the capital themselves."
at all... what's said is: "Sigil raised the money to buy back publishing rights."

There's no "themselves" in that sentence, stop interjecting words. They raised the money FROM WHOM?

Reolien should have put quotes around that whole paragraph as he just used Woody Hearn's quote from the link in his post. He didn't interject any words, that was Woody.

[Laerazi]

According to a post made by Taranis on the official forums, Sigil was the one that initiated the deal between both MSG and SOE.

That's not to say that they might have felt MSG was losing interest and so they had more reason to initiate or what, but I think it's important to understand that MSG didn't pull out on SGO.

"As already said in this thread, it's almost certain that the money comes from SOE."

I believe Brad has stated that the money did not come from SOE.

[Istros]

Originally Posted by Cuppycake

Reolien should have put quotes around that whole paragraph as he just used Woody Hearn's quote from the link in his post. He didn't interject any words, that was Woody.

I've read Woody's post. He says:

"Sigil raised the money to buy back publishing rights"

It doesnt say Sigil raised the money "themselves." What Reolien suggested is that Sigil independantly raised the cash needed to purchase the IP rights, which most probably isnt the case.

[Cuppycake]

Originally Posted by Istros

It doesnt say Sigil raised the money "themselves." What Reolien suggested is that Sigil independantly raised the cash needed to purchase the IP rights, which most probably isnt the case.

Here's Woody's post.

I just got off the phone with Brad. I IMed him to confirm the information and he gave me a call to talk to me about this change.

SOE will be co-publishing Vanguard with Sigil. Microsoft was focussed on the 360, so Sigil raised the money to buy back publishing rights. And, since Brad and Smed are old friends and SOE has the framework in place to properly co-publish Vanguard, it was a logical move. Now, because I know someone will either ask or make assumptions about this, SOE did not provide Sigil with the funds to break away from Microsoft. Sigil raised the capital themselves.

And for those of you that are concerned for whatever reason, Brad assured me that Sigil will maintain control of the IP, meaning they will control content, updates, the community, tech support, customer service, etc. SOE will be responsible marketing the game, getting the game boxes on shelves, establishing and maintaining the game's server farm, etc. Vanguard will be made available via the All Access pass, but they will not be part of the Station Exchange.

As it was related to me, SOE needed a title for next year, and with Sigil making the move from Microsoft Games, it was the perfect match. The monetary infusion from SOE also means that Sigil will have more development time to insure the quality of the game. It also means an extended beta time with one or two large final stages of beta playing host to 30-40 thousand gamers.

No worries about Sigil's relationship to Microsoft, the split was amicable. Sigil is still working closely with them to make sure that Vanguard is a premier title on the upcoming Vista OS.

[Reolien01]

Originally Posted by Istros

I've read Woody's post. He says:

"Sigil raised the money to buy back publishing rights"

It doesnt say Sigil raised the money "themselves." What Reolien suggested is that Sigil independantly raised the cash needed to purchase the IP rights, which most probably isnt the case.

I didn't suggest anything, I quoted him word for word.

[Khorum]

Wait, so Microsoft is anticipating a drawn-out trench battle with Sony with the 360/PS3 and so it makes sense for them to abandon their only active venture in MMOG space? The same Microsoft that reconfigured every atom of their organization when they retooled to confront the challenge from Netscape and the web? Any battle with Sony/PS3 would be fought WITHIN the mmorpg space, and that doesn't involve divesting from products that have even a niche appeal, unless that product is grossly deficient in some fashion.

I realize some of you guys are more than prepared to suspend critical thinking to accomodate a concept you've invested so much of yourselves in, but c'mon, MS spent the better part of 2005 just getting an FFXI client for the 360.

It WILL be an interesting E3. There's over 40 MMORPG titles strutting their shit in LA next week and this announcement is like some highschool quarterback breaking up with his date a week before prom. It could turn out to be the most savvy manipulation of the gaming press in industry history, though.

Smed, which booth with Vanguard be presented in? SOE or MS?