eventual itemization problem? (warning: theorycraft)

[WarderX]

Originally Posted by Elerion

Through a bug, a guildie's hunter alt managed to get a level 26 turtle pet to have ~1 million armor. The tooltip showed something like 98.xx% mitigation. When he sent him against Mor'Ladim, he mitigated 75%. Obviously drawing conclusions from bugs is dangerous, but tooltips could very well ignore mechanic caps when stats reach unnatural levels.

If you had taken that shaman up to a high level elite and dodged every attack for a good while, I'd be more inclined to see it as proof. Tooltips don't necessarily speak the truth.

Perhaps the 25% that was un-mitigated was crushing blows? Which, as stated above are rolled after block but before other mitigations.

Edit: yeah, quote from the thottbot formula site: "crushing blows can never be reduced below 5%."

[Gryzx]

Well I looked it up and Rogues at lvl 60 take 14.5 Agility per pct to dodge, the rogue profile listed 12% flat dodge modifiers and a 5% dodge talent modifier. So the dodge from agility is only 37.98 or so. So at level 70 if that continues to scale like it has with levels, it will take 14.5 * (70/60) = ~17 agility per dodge pct. With 536 agility that will drop that profile to about 31.53 + 17% = 48.52 pct to dodge. Anyhow even at level 60 it would take another (100-54.98) = 45.02 x 14.5 = 652 Agility to get to 100 pct dodge rate. Or a total of 1189 Agility.

652 Agility / 15 slots max = 43.47 Agility extra per slot needed, that's going to be quite aways away.

If you refigure for when you are level 70 it's even worse. (100-48.52) = 51.48 x 17 = 875.16 / 15 = 58.34 extra agility per slot. Or a total of about 1411 Agility.

Going to take alot more than 20 agility per piece to get to 100pct even at 60.

[SalaciousTunare]

Originally Posted by WarderX

What's the little cloud thing under your portrait?

That little thing was a partyquest addon from Cosmos called Sky.

It was a chat channel mod that would communicate between people with the addon, doing stuff like showing which party members were on the same quests you were etc.

Later I ended up deleting it.

[Schatze]

and I am completely retarded for double posting. Faulty error messsages + no ability to delete = sucks :/

[Schatze]

You'd have to be completely retarded to use that warrior gear.

edit: since you have no fucking clue, HP is just as important as damage (or more so) for a warrior. With 6k unbuffed hp I could get dropped fast, with 4k if someone even looked at me I'd die and nobody would be able to heal fast enough.

In conclusion: your theory craft sucks donkey balls.

[WarderX]

Originally Posted by Schatze

You'd have to be completely retarded to use that warrior gear.

edit: since you have no fucking clue, HP is just as important as damage (or more so) for a warrior. With 6k unbuffed hp I could get dropped fast, with 4k if someone even looked at me I'd die and nobody would be able to heal fast enough.

In conclusion: your theory craft sucks donkey balls.

? Read the thread, we're not saying the build is good, we're just looking at how close you can get to 100% in various stats.

edit: actually, yes, i'm telling people to use a warrior build that's 1/2 mail and 1/4 leather ftw

[WarderX]

Originally Posted by Gryzx

Well I looked it up and Rogues at lvl 60 take 14.5 Agility per pct to dodge, the rogue profile listed 12% flat dodge modifiers and a 5% dodge talent modifier. So the dodge from agility is only 37.98 or so. So at level 70 if that continues to scale like it has with levels, it will take 14.5 * (70/60) = ~17 agility per dodge pct. With 536 agility that will drop that profile to about 31.53 + 17% = 48.52 pct to dodge. Anyhow even at level 60 it would take another (100-54.98) = 45.02 x 14.5 = 652 Agility to get to 100 pct dodge rate. Or a total of 1189 Agility.

652 Agility / 15 slots max = 43.47 Agility extra per slot needed, that's going to be quite aways away.

If you refigure for when you are level 70 it's even worse. (100-48.52) = 51.48 x 17 = 875.16 / 15 = 58.34 extra agility per slot. Or a total of about 1411 Agility.

Going to take alot more than 20 agility per piece to get to 100pct even at 60.

Well here's the way I calculated it, sort of:
100% dodge - the 5% talent = 95% dodge needed
But then I assumed that they would not just stop putting dodge modifiers on gear (even though they are small), so I gave the main armor peices 1% with legs, bp, boots, trinkets and cloak 2% (which is just what I assume they would do to keep with current armor) for another 18%. = 77% needed
Then you have enchants, 1 to head, 1 to cloak, 1 to legs, 3% = 74% needed.

Then I figured in buffs. Grace of air (77) MotW (21?) scorpik (50) potion (25, stacks?)+ whatever other random hour long+ buffs, but lets say you can get about 174 in long buffs. Which equals 12 dodge. = 62 needed

Now lets do agility enchants: 15 weap, 15 weap, 15 gloves, 7 boots, 4 bp, 1 bracer (lol) = 57/14.5= ~4 = 58 needed

58*14.5 = need 841 agility...

Which ends up being a bit over 50 agility per item needed.

I have no idea what the average is now, but i'm gonna throw 25 out there as a guess.

[Runnen]

There are already many abilities (melee included) in the game that cannot be dodged. Should Dodge% (or other percentages) get out of hand later due to poor itemization, Blizzard can simply tweak some mobs around so some of their attacks can no longer be dodged. Poor fix, but that's what probably would happen if the situation came to that.

[DiscW]

Originally Posted by elrich

ENDLESS COMBO

Eh?

[Zorlac]

Originally Posted by Runnen

Poor fix, but that's what probably would happen if the situation came to that.

Like +Defense nerf?
Weapon AP normalization?

Deja vu!

[Cybsled]

If the same Warrior is running in with his DPS clown suit, I wouldn't worry too much about his resists.

Ya, they'll just hit that bullshit move that makes them immune to fear and own my warlock as I try to dot and run.

[Deathwing]

Originally Posted by WarderX

Perhaps the 25% that was un-mitigated was crushing blows? Which, as stated above are rolled after block but before other mitigations.

Edit: yeah, quote from the thottbot formula site: "crushing blows can never be reduced below 5%."

No, armor mitigation IS capped at 75%. It's about the one stat that is knowingly capped.

And let me clarify, crushing blow isn't rolled after block. Everything is on the same lookup table. It's just when every chance adds up to over 100%, something has to give. So those with lower priority get pushed off. This is the supposed priority, from most important to least:

Miss
Dodge/Block/Parry
Crit
Crushing Blow
Hit

This would also explain why rogues who pop evasion get crit and crushed a lot. Normal hits get pushed off the list. This is all on the EJ forums, look it up if you want.

[Deathwing]

Originally Posted by Cybsled

Ya, they'll just hit that bullshit move that makes them immune to fear and own my warlock as I try to dot and run.

And then you chain seduce us and nuke us into the ground.

[Cybsled]

Cant seduce with that move activated last I checked.

[Deathwing]

Originally Posted by Cybsled

Cant seduce with that move activated last I checked.

For real? I haven't pvped in a couple patches. Berserker rage makes you immune to charm? Haha, warlocks are fucked.

Really though, I call bullshit.