[EVE Online] Whoa.

[l0z]

I think people are missing a huge stumbling block with EVE. Namely, you really do have to spend a couple months training to get to the "fun" stuff. Most decent corps won't take you until you're over 2-3 mil SP, and mission hunting/solo mining gets boring really quickly. Not to mention that being in a crappy corp is worse than being solo. Maybe if you've been playing a while, you've forgotten that. Maybe not.

At any rate, other games allow people to front-load at least some fun. A lot of the early WoW quests are pretty interesting, and don't require you to be "uber" at all. Same goes for the new trial experience in EQ2. EVE's trial make you want to gouge your eyes out and quit forever. Listen to a newbie channel sometime when you get the chance. It's filled with a million people asking if they really have to do the trial, because it's boring.

And there's really no way to speed up that "sucky" newbie time. In other games, you can grind a lot, and at least get it over with quickly. In EVE, you're simply stuck.

Regardless, that's been my experience with EVE (started in December). Feel free to refute points, but there's not really much that's opinion there. Unless you really do have a lot of fun mining and mission running in sec space. Then, bully for you!

[ilmoen]

The thing is, you have to play EvE with a different mindset than when you play WoW.
In WoW, you have pretty much nothing to learn from lvl 1 to 60 it's just like most mmo. You grind your way up to the max lvl so you can raid.
In EvE, the early game is here so you can start to grasp the mechanisms of the game. You could start with 5M sp and 300M isk and you would lose everything within the 1st day.
It takes a long time to get used to the game, and it's better to get owned with a frigate than to get owned with a BS. Imo, the early game ain't here to be fun. It's here to be educative and as always the game is what you make of it. Noone forces you to mine roids for hours to buy a BS. You can have a lot of fun flying frigates and you can be really usefull to a pvp corp. It's just that the game is so complex that mostly everyone end up mining because they are completelly lost.

[Gar]

Originally Posted by l0z

I think people are missing a huge stumbling block with EVE. Namely, you really do have to spend a couple months training to get to the "fun" stuff. Most decent corps won't take you until you're over 2-3 mil SP, and mission hunting/solo mining gets boring really quickly. Not to mention that being in a crappy corp is worse than being solo. Maybe if you've been playing a while, you've forgotten that. Maybe not.

It's alot up to you. Take a frigate, fit mwd, web, scramble and guns. Open map, look for medium to low traffic system that is a pipeline to active war region in 0.0. Pick a system that has security rating of 0.1-0.4. Pirate. Pillage belts, gank miners, kill haulers. Ransom for ISK, learn the PVP.

Nothing is more fun to find a player having hard time with NPC's, scramble him, web him, hit fast orbit and fire. Start convo and get few million of isk via ransom - or kill the bastard and loot his modules.

After that you are so full of adrenaline, you won't stop for a while.

You will lose ships on the process, but thats part of the game and learning process. It's cheap and fun. There is no "reputation" you can lose this way, all highend alliances respect if you are allready skilled in combat. EVE is about shooting other people, go shoot em!

Guide to piracy and theft: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...hreadID=217502
General PVP guide: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...hreadID=197691
Fitting Guides: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...hreadID=292137

[Gurgeh]

Originally Posted by l0z

And there's really no way to speed up that "sucky" newbie time. In other games, you can grind a lot, and at least get it over with quickly. In EVE, you're simply stuck.

Uh no, just get your ass out of empire, join any 0.0 PvP active corp, you can with a 1 month old char no problem. A lot of people who start playing feels they can't join the real game because they don't have enough ISK / SP that's just bullshit, you can join the alliance warfare with nothing, people will be happy to have high play time players rather than the average overskilled carebear who's just a freeloader mining / NPCing 23/7.

[Itzena]

A fine example of the above can be found with the macrominer (golf-farmer analogue) hunters - search the official 'Crime & Punishment' forum for more information.

[Liringlas]

Originally Posted by Gurgeh

Uh no, just get your ass out of empire, join any 0.0 PvP active corp, you can with a 1 month old char no problem. A lot of people who start playing feels they can't join the real game because they don't have enough ISK / SP that's just bullshit, you can join the alliance warfare with nothing, people will be happy to have high play time players rather than the average overskilled carebear who's just a freeloader mining / NPCing 23/7.

this is exactly what you should do once you have a little experiance and SP under your belt.

i had a friend that started playing in december, finally got out into an 0.0 corp thursday. he has got himself podded, been on some combat ops, chased a snipeing tempest away in a solo stabber, mined some, hauled for some NPCers and made money. basically he is haveing a blast, making money, and has learned as much about the game over the weekend as he has since december.

[elrich]

Originally Posted by Gurgeh

Yes, playing eve require patience, you don't play eve 2 months, see it all and quit. You obviously played Eve like you played any MMO after your first one, ie "omg I need to grind until I catch up" which is absolutely not the way eve is supposed to be played. In Eve you don't grind and once you did your grinding share, start playing the game.
In Eve you can be usefull in the high end gaming right after you created your character, you just need to be smart. There is so much stuff to do, even without skillpoints in 0.0, you could spent your first 5 months without grinding a single second, learning about Eve, scouting, tackling, trading, helping with logistic, and so on ... Hell for the average player, it takes several weeks just to get used to travel in 0.0. You really need those several months of practice to get used to game mechanism, actually people are usually able to use a decent BS long before they have enough knowledge of the game to use them in PvP.

For those who can read killmails, here's what happen when you want to go faster than the music : http://killboard.red-alliance.info/i...=kill&id=45268

W-T-F

That has got to be the craziest fitting I've ever seen on a thron

Tachyon, 1400mm seige, 425mm rail, 720mm howitzer

That has to be a joke along the lines of
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...=316888&page=2

but of course, it probably wasn't. I bet this guy also whines about dying to AFs in his battleship, and how frigs should never kill BS.

[Gurgeh]

solo shield tanked mega vs large pos.

[Liringlas]

mebbie he thought the pos was offline? =P

[Gurgeh]

Originally Posted by Liringlas

mebbie he thought the pos was offline? =P

OMG enemies in local ! quick must warp to a moon to be safe !!!

[Bizanich]

Originally Posted by Angry Amadeus

Now, be honest. I've stated and will state again; I think EVE is a great game. My statement still stands, however. There is no way that a newb to EVE will catch up and/or surpass one of the members of Band of Brothers; in terms of quality of gear, ships, space-control, amount of completed game stuff, and to a lesser extent notoriety.

Istvaan is more notorious then BoB for that theft he pulled off, so eh..

Amadeus, all it takes is for a charismatic leader to lead to what, in essence, is an anti BoB alliance and BoB will go down. They're not *that* big and as has been said, if they expand too much bigger they'll either have to zerg up to control it or risk a massive guerilla campaign.

The EVE universe is far too big for a corp BoB's size to control it all and as for newbies not making an impact, Goonfleet is shredding people.

You don't know what you're talking about . Just accept it, it's okay, it happens to us all sometimes....

[Liringlas]

he probobly got confused. he wasnt in a hauler...

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by l0z

I think people are missing a huge stumbling block with EVE. Namely, you really do have to spend a couple months training to get to the "fun" stuff. Most decent corps won't take you until you're over 2-3 mil SP, and mission hunting/solo mining gets boring really quickly. Not to mention that being in a crappy corp is worse than being solo. Maybe if you've been playing a while, you've forgotten that. Maybe not.

There's a huge stumbling block for sure but it was even simpler than that for me. I tried to bring my old EQ/Shadowbane guild over to EVE some time last fall but they just couldn't get into EVE. We were solid in WoW for a while, but I'd gotten bored by summer 05--although by that time, most of the guys had drifted away from WoW one way or another.

I got into EVE the year before so I organized most of my guild to try it out too... but they just couldn't get into the SCI-FI bit. I thought maybe it was just the mechanics or the interface or the progression scheme, but a lot of people just aren't into spaceships and whatnot, it simply wasn't for them.

I can't say how much fondness for sci-fi you'd need to get into EVE, I'm I giant sci-fi geek so its hard to say LOL. EVE is the only MMOG I'm subscribed to now. But if you can't stand sitting through something like babylon 5 or battlestar gallactica I think it stands to reason that it would take some effort on your part to grow into EVE. Maybe too much.

[Kiroy]

It's so damn nice to be able to progress without grinding.

[Etruscus]

Originally Posted by Kiroy

It's so damn nice to be able to progress without grinding.

I agree. The complainers remind of the people who reside in Plato's cave.

For years and years all we could do is grind. Now, we don't have to and people can do nothing but still see the old shadows on the wall.