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Gurgeh · 08-13-2006, 12:26 PM

It's easy to deploy the outpost, defending it is another story. Afaik ISS never fought a war, and the few time I saw them in action it was pretty underwhelming. I don't think any large alliance would negociate with ISS before checking what the new regions will be like. If they are rich, ISS will be personna non gratta and removed swiftly if they try anything.

Larion · 08-13-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gurgeh

It's easy to deploy the outpost, defending it is another story. Afaik ISS never fought a war, and the few time I saw them in action it was pretty underwhelming. I don't think any large alliance would negociate with ISS before checking what the new regions will be like. If they are rich, ISS will be personna non gratta and removed swiftly if they try anything.

Not going to say much more, but you have no idea what you are talking about.
ISS have fought and won wars btw, but they still suck at fighting them. Wich is a non issue if you actually read what i wrote. And yes the alliances rather see the space "tested" before they move in. None of the big powers will move into that straight away to claim it, because the result would be the other big ones also going there. ISS is in the end probably the only solution if the area is relativly rich.
ISS btw also wont have to defend the outpost if they put one up. As in any case before it will be MC guarding the outpost just like they have in the past.
The thing is that all the big alliance respect ISS as the only true neutral entity and there where previous deals involving pretty much any of the larger alliances because ISS never claimed space and probably never will.

Gurgeh · 08-13-2006, 06:20 PM

What kind of war ? I never heard of anything significant. Did anyone brought the capital ship fleet and support fleet to take on one of their outposts ? Did ISS fought a blob / pos warfare against someone to defend one of their outpost ? if so my mistake, if you're talking about empire wars against wanabe pvpers well...

DJk_zero · 08-13-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Larion

The thing is that all the big alliance respect ISS as the only true neutral entity and there where previous deals involving pretty much any of the larger alliances because ISS never claimed space and probably never will.

If you believe that then I got a bridge in space to sell you.

Saban · 08-13-2006, 07:43 PM

a bridge you say? how big and how much?

Liringlas · 08-13-2006, 09:35 PM

ISS is only allowed to be neutral as long as they dont have anything the big alliances want.

if the new regions are rich enough, you will see some of the big alliances with the best regions move out there. but i really doubt there will be regions rich enough to cause ASCN, BOB, LV, D2 to move.

decairn · 08-13-2006, 10:47 PM

If it's lucrative enough expect bigger alliances to "give up" currently claimed space to take a foot hold in the undeveloped areas. Outpost income is substantial with a decent local population using the facilities and markets.

Larion · 08-14-2006, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurgeh

What kind of war ? I never heard of anything significant. Did anyone brought the capital ship fleet and support fleet to take on one of their outposts ? Did ISS fought a blob / pos warfare against someone to defend one of their outpost ? if so my mistake, if you're talking about empire wars against wanabe pvpers well...

No i am talking about the Marginis siege and the ongoing 0.0 war versus CC and others for months. Wich was kinda heavy for the ISS =P Until of course they hired MC to clean up.
There where other wars as well, and pos warfare has also occured versus various entities. There is a reason ISS i known for spamming many pos fast.

It is funny how you are talking about something you really have no clue about. The business system ISS always makes with their outposts is superb. All people with funds have invested in the outposts. I myself own shares on almost all outposts i have marginis, cassini and borealis shares. And i know that MANY others also have invested in the outposts and just as before ISS will probably offer shares to the leaders of the big alliances and tie them to thier idea like they have done before.
This is how it happened in the past and it is also what ensures ISS the support from the big alliances.

Larion · 08-14-2006, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Liringlas

ISS is only allowed to be neutral as long as they dont have anything the big alliances want.

if the new regions are rich enough, you will see some of the big alliances with the best regions move out there. but i really doubt there will be regions rich enough to cause ASCN, BOB, LV, D2 to move.

You will not see any of the big ones move period. What you will probably see is them supporting a neutral entity to be there to avoid having a new alliance claim their new place and grow big on maybe good resources. And of course they will earn a fuckload of money from their shares payout for the new outpost.
Well we will see who is right once it has happened. I will probably be right in the end like i was with goonswarm and other things before =)

Gurgeh · 08-14-2006, 07:41 AM

Just check what happenened to TBB a couple of weeks ago.

Pest · 08-14-2006, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Larion

I will probably be right in the end like i was with goonswarm and other things before =)

I'm curious...What about Goonswarm were you right about? Our demise?

Larion · 08-14-2006, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gurgeh

Just check what happenened to TBB a couple of weeks ago.

There was a risk that TBB would do the "capital shipyard thing". And the attack was more focused on NAGA i believe then TBB itself. Also TBB is more then a bit different to ISS.

Oh and for the Goons i promised that you wont be able to hold yourself versus BoB at all and i was right. I also said that you will be crippled after they are done with you and you are.

Gamblor · 08-15-2006, 12:40 AM

OUR INDUSTRIAL BACKBONE WAS BROKEN!

Squink · 08-15-2006, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Larion

Oh and for the Goons i promised that you wont be able to hold yourself versus BoB at all and i was right. I also said that you will be crippled after they are done with you and you are.

So you are saying that bob is done with goonswarm and that goonswarm is crippled? Also what standards are you using to determine whether goonswarm is 'holding themselves' versus bob? I'm genuinely curious.

Larion · 08-15-2006, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Squink

So you are saying that bob is done with goonswarm and that goonswarm is crippled? Also what standards are you using to determine whether goonswarm is 'holding themselves' versus bob? I'm genuinely curious.

I could go and list you many things but i guess you should just look at the GOONSWARM killboard.

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08-13-2006, 12:26 PM	#961 (permalink)
Gurgeh Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Paris Posts: 1,239 +1 Internets	It's easy to deploy the outpost, defending it is another story. Afaik ISS never fought a war, and the few time I saw them in action it was pretty underwhelming. I don't think any large alliance would negociate with ISS before checking what the new regions will be like. If they are rich, ISS will be personna non gratta and removed swiftly if they try anything.

08-13-2006, 06:20 PM	#963 (permalink)
Gurgeh Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Paris Posts: 1,239 +1 Internets	What kind of war ? I never heard of anything significant. Did anyone brought the capital ship fleet and support fleet to take on one of their outposts ? Did ISS fought a blob / pos warfare against someone to defend one of their outpost ? if so my mistake, if you're talking about empire wars against wanabe pvpers well...

08-13-2006, 09:35 PM	#966 (permalink)
Liringlas useless Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 155 -1 Internets	ISS is only allowed to be neutral as long as they dont have anything the big alliances want. if the new regions are rich enough, you will see some of the big alliances with the best regions move out there. but i really doubt there will be regions rich enough to cause ASCN, BOB, LV, D2 to move.

08-13-2006, 10:47 PM	#967 (permalink)
decairn Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 154 +5 Internets	If it's lucrative enough expect bigger alliances to "give up" currently claimed space to take a foot hold in the undeveloped areas. Outpost income is substantial with a decent local population using the facilities and markets.

08-14-2006, 07:41 AM	#970 (permalink)
Gurgeh Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Paris Posts: 1,239 +1 Internets	Just check what happenened to TBB a couple of weeks ago.