[EVE Online] Whoa.

[Pest]

If you look a little further into the chart you copy/pasted from the BOB killboard you'll see that of those almost 1500 kills on GoonSwarm, about 1300 have been capsule, shuttle, frigate, noobie ship. Two complex runs could fuel those kinds of losses for a year.

That's not to say we haven't lost other ships because we obviously have. It's hardly going to break either alliances banks.

Edit: We also just got out of a month+ long campaign with D2 and there are quite a few people taking break from the game or from their mains. This is why it appears we aren't even fighting back, because we aren't. I plan to only log in to change skills this week and then jump back in. It's much to early to speculat eon how things will turn out.

[Larion]

I am well aware of that pest. That doesn't really change a thing though.
As long as bob have enough to shoot at they wont get bored period. Be it pods or whatever.

A Pod btw is more ISK destroyed then a frig or even a cruiser even on the goons. Most goons should be around 500k to 1 mil per pod now most are probably higher up even.

[Gamblor]

Originally Posted by Larion

A Pod btw is more ISK destroyed then a frig or even a cruiser even on the goons. Most goons should be around 500k to 1 mil per pod now most are probably higher up even.

What makes you think we'll use a 12m sp character to pilot a kestrel?

[Larion]

6 mil is enough for 1mil pod cost. And using a highly skilled character in an AF or Inti isn't really off. Where did i mention kestrels anyways?

[Lucificate]

Wow Larion! You have such impressive Eve knowledge - you know all about the various alliance's FCs, all about Goonswarm, all about the economics of each alliance's battle situation, each alliance's chances at accomplishing their own goals, man, just everything, its awesome!

Im not sure anymore why we even have discussion boards for Eve. You could just make a website - the Eve Online Oracle or something - and tell us how it all turns out, who sucks and doesnt suck, who is living up to their external expectations and any other Eve info.

Im gonna try and get you a temp pass to the goonfleet boards so you can come tell us all whats up so maybe we can try to suck less at the game and maybe one day be as cool as BoB and know asmuch about the game as you.

All I gotta say is this game is fucking serious business and BoB is the best ever! For real, I had a roomate in BoB and man watching those FCs work was incredible. BoB rocks so hard man. The goonswarm FCs are so sucky and lame compared to them. I wish I were friends with BoB FCs. I'll just have to keep dreaming =/

Thanks for being here for us Larion!

[Larion]

Yea stating my opinions obvious made someones vagina bleed=)
I don't like BoB myself, but apparently you seem to have deeper issues.
Btw most of the things i stated here are either opinions or general knowledge that comes automatically when you play eve for a while. If it hurts your ego that someone thinks goonswarm sucks and is a major underachiever when you compare their actions with their forum presence then i guess you should try another alliance for a change once.
I would also like to add that there are many more alliances then just goonswarm or BoB. If you have not realized it they are only a small fraction of eve and very vocal ones too. If you don't manage to make friends i am sorry dude, but many other people chat a lot and have previously been in corporations with people who are now in many different alliances wich gives you easy information on current hot spots.

[Gurgeh]

Fact is that guerilla warfare is very efficient, you cannot kick a group of people outside NPC regions, it's a war BoB cannot win without causing internal drama inside GS.
GS has over 10 times enough manpower to give BoB hell in Syndicate, they might not kill a lot, but BoB will HAVE to maintain tight gate camps, patrols for weeks, months maybe. Killing only t1 shits and potentially achieving nothing at all if GS is not destroyed from the inside.
The problem is not the money in guerilla warfare but manpower, BoB will need to put MORE effort than GS in order to keep Syndicate clean and prevent them from operating in it.

[Larion]

S-U is like a castle really. If the goons manage to keep it clear with proper blobbing the entrance i can't see BoB get far.
I am not sure how it will turn out, but its going to be very very hard to make BoB stop doing what they try to do.
And yes i am sure everyone is aware that it is impossible to really get rid of an alliance without destroying it from the inside, but it can at least leave a completly crippled alliance if it goes like BoB wants.

[Pest]

But see that's the thing, we don't really give a shit what the rest of Eve thinks about us. Most of us couldn't care less about our space bucks loss ratio.

Lets talk about Kali or bookmarks or something before this turns into a bigger circlejerk than it already has and ends up in the rickshaw.

[Gurgeh]

Originally Posted by Larion

S-U is like a castle really. If the goons manage to keep it clear with proper blobbing the entrance i can't see BoB get far.
I am not sure how it will turn out, but its going to be very very hard to make BoB stop doing what they try to do.

Goon won't try to keep S-U clear if they are smart, in guerilla you fight in your terms. What BoB is trying to do is to force large scale battles in S-U, which goon has no chance of winning, and even if they do win a few by a small margin they cannot replace their BS a tenth as fast as BoB. Smart move would be to send t1 frig fleets gank in BoB regions, they have a decent chance of scoring a few kills and smaller chance of getting killed than in Syndicate.

[Itzena]

Originally Posted by Gurgeh

Smart move would be to send t1 frig fleets gank in BoB regions, they have a decent chance of scoring a few kills and smaller chance of getting killed than in Syndicate.

...especially if Goon raiders were to target the BoB miners/complex runners/etc.
Hit them where it hurts - in the wallet.

[Rubix]

I quit WoW just the other day (sharded my gear so im not going back) after tiring from having to be on to raid six nights a week in BWL/AQ40/Naxx, as well as helping in MC, ZG, AQ20 on offtime.

I started reading this thread about EVE and was completely lost about 20 pages in, but mesmerized by the game. I also realized that the thread has been around for a few months, so I was wondering what the situation of the game was like now.

As for me, im looking for a game I can get into but dont have to commit to certain times every day. The aspect of improving while you are offline appealed to me because my schedule is always changing in college. I know I have alot ahead of me if I pick up the game, but im a smart guy and will use whatever resources I can find. I will pick one route and persue it and expand from there.

Communities in games can rapidly change, so I wanted to know if it will still be fun to start out at this point in time past the game's release.

[Swiftan]

Originally Posted by Rubix

I quit WoW just the other day (sharded my gear so im not going back) after tiring from having to be on to raid six nights a week in BWL/AQ40/Naxx, as well as helping in MC, ZG, AQ20 on offtime.

I started reading this thread about EVE and was completely lost about 20 pages in, but mesmerized by the game. I also realized that the thread has been around for a few months, so I was wondering what the situation of the game was like now.

As for me, im looking for a game I can get into but dont have to commit to certain times every day. The aspect of improving while you are offline appealed to me because my schedule is always changing in college. I know I have alot ahead of me if I pick up the game, but im a smart guy and will use whatever resources I can find. I will pick one route and persue it and expand from there.

Communities in games can rapidly change, so I wanted to know if it will still be fun to start out at this point in time past the game's release.

Eve sounds perfect for you to be honest, I'll not ellaborate much since there isn't really anything that hasn't been said, but I did pretty much the same thing in WoW for a few months and playing Eve haven't looked back since, the only hump you have to get over is learning skills and the low rank levels 1-4 where you have to babysit your character to an extent. After that you're free to set away long skills when you aren't gonna be on for a few days/weeks. Earning ISK isn't much of a problem either, skill books don't cost much and you only need a lot of ISK if you play a lot, or like blowing up a lot of tech 2 ships (a large majority PVP veterans actually prefer tech1 frigates/cruisers for pvp'ing in).

The community is ever-changing, Goonfleet is only a few months old and they're the drama of the game right now (as demonstrated in the last few pages of this thread). Territorial PVP and a huge amount of player interaction is what makes the game's community so great, there's no instances to exile yourself and your guild/corp members from the rest of the player base, and there's only one server so someone you meet in the forums you could end up shooting in the face.

It's a shame you missed the EveTV weekends, once you get over all of the jargon and humour it'd be hard not to want to play Eve afterwards. It's like the BotB tournaments in EQ except with live coverage and more bragging rights than "Soandso the Warlord" or whatever. Anyone can earn them with enough preparation, some alliances I never heard of suprised me during the tournament.

After a certain point newer players aren't at a disadvantage, the only problem they suffer is having less options. You'll have to choose what you want to do more or less when you install Eve.

[Antarius]

Originally Posted by Bizanich

Start, even if you're in WoW right now. Just incubate your guy, have him learn the learning skills while you're in WoW

So I downloaded the client and made an account, and ran through the tutorial. Oh god my life.

[Pest]

Originally Posted by Antarius

...ran through the tutorial...

Make sure you and Rubix run all the way through the tutorial. It helps a lot but most importantly at the end of the last mission you'll get an implant that you can sell for a couple million ISK and get you off to a good start.

Mission running is probably the best money you can make in empire and the Social and Connections skill will help you get to the higher levels ones faster.

A couple pages back were some suggestions on finding a good corp to join which I would suggest looking into. The game really shines when you get out of empire and start venturing out in low sec.