[EVE Online] Whoa.

[ZyrKx]

People on the internet make fun of a dead person. News at eleven.

[Gar]

Originally Posted by ZyrKx

People on the internet make fun of a dead person. News at eleven.

Yeah, but in this game you can grief people so that they will never log back in.

In EVE it is not a smart idea to piss any of the mega-alliances on so personal level, even if its done in your average mmorpg. I'm interested to see how goonswarm can deal with BoB fleets. Four wolfpacks of 60-70 pilots in each flying almost perfect fitting harmony and endless supply of HAC's and Recons are pain in the arse for t1 frigate and t1 BS fleet that goons use.

My idea? Goonswarm dead within two weeks.

[Wodin]

It's not going to be pretty, and I'm frustrated that the thing that triggered it was an unfunny moron being tasteless. If you're familiar with SA, you know about FYAD - it's essentially a counterculture "make fun of everything" place. Probably a third or so of the people who fly in Goonswarm are devotees, so there's an corp forum version of it. Unfortunately, the new forum software just universally appends signatures wherever you post, so when Tetsujin posted on our public boards his tasteless FYAD sig leaked out.

It's doubly frustrating because the majority of Goonswarm aren't raving morons and thought the entire thing was incredibly unfunny and tasteless. We might have actually been able to pull off Cloud Ring if this hadn't happened, but it's going to be infinitely harder now.

http://reikoku.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8946 is what they did the last time someone crossed them. I enjoy Goonswarm and it's made EVE fun, but I know for a fact we're not hardcore enough to win against BoB.

[Swiftan]

I've looked everywhere, any idea where I can see the sig that caused this apocalypse?

[Gamblor]

nm

[Wodin]

It combined with an ASCII representation of a person.

Some history, which I got to learn today as people explained why BoB now wanted to kill us: Smoske was a real-life friend of a bunch of the BoB leadership and was sorta a Furor/Tigole type. He wrote the first killboard, the idea of which has become a pretty integral part of the community as a whole, and was generally respected and very well liked. Unfortunately, he was the moped in a moped vs. truck accident, and there was a very big and public mourning for him in EVE as a whole. Some very old-time goons, including the now-CEO of Goonfleet, made fun of it(this is before Goonfleet even existed or was a twinkle in anyone's eye) and EVE got very upset(justifiably).

Fast forward two years - everyone is mostly over the whole thing(hell, I didn't even know it had happened till today). Some new goons who weren't around back then made tasteless jokes in FYAD about it in an attempt to 'get in' with the old crowd, and in response Tetsujin created that signature to mock the fact that those goons were dredging up history to try and be cool(hence the bandwagon part of it). We switch forums software, Tetsujin's signature turns on everywhere instead of just FYAD, and BoB sees it and gets upset(again, justifiably). Despite the immediate apology from the guilty person, the damage is done and BoB is gunning for us.

[Tripamang]

Originally Posted by Gar

Yeah, but in this game you can grief people so that they will never log back in.

In EVE it is not a smart idea to piss any of the mega-alliances on so personal level, even if its done in your average mmorpg. I'm interested to see how goonswarm can deal with BoB fleets. Four wolfpacks of 60-70 pilots in each flying almost perfect fitting harmony and endless supply of HAC's and Recons are pain in the arse for t1 frigate and t1 BS fleet that goons use.

My idea? Goonswarm dead within two weeks.

Doubtful.. goons won't roll over that easy. They may get pushed back to syndicate temporarily.. but they are driven. Not to mention dismantling a 2400+ member alliance is no walk in the park, someone may see this as a oppurtune moment to go after BoB from it's back side.. and theres a long list of people looking for the right moment to go after Bob.

Goons are all recruited under one mentality, they only know one group of people.. their loyalty runs much much deeper than your average eve player. Most alliances you have to worry about people jumping ship when shit gets bad, I don't think the goonies will ever have that problem unless Remedial abandons them.

[Gamblor]

Larion. Cease.

Bob's dick is getting raw.

[Itzena]

If I were CCP, I'd wait for BoB to make their move against the Goons then break out a Jovian Titan and go pop all of BoB's PoSes.

Mainly because I'd find it hilarious.

[Wodin]

Heh. While hilarious, I doubt it would happen. I'm just annoyed that old history has been drug up to use as a weapon. The current Eve-O spam is actually good in the long run, because all the idiots who have nothing to contribute will get banned from the forums(if they don't just ban the entire corp).

[Itzena]

Heh.

Oh sweet more PvP!

You guys dont understand. You can't destroy Goonswarm because its not an entity. It is an idea, and you cant destroy ideas.

What is the idea you ask? No, its not about stupid politics that we don't care about. Its not about some stupid revenge of a dead guy. Its not about defending your e-honor. Our idea is about having fun. We love PvP and we are going to get more. We win already.

Most of us dont care if we lose the XZH campaign. If we get pushed back to Syndicate again and get camped in a station, we will get into our ALAHU AKBAR JIHAD frigates and and crush our enemies in waves. This is the most fun you can have in this game. Then we will rebuild our forces and stomp NORAD again and then start trouble somewhere again. We dont care.

We dont play for political statue. We dont care about e-honor. We care about fun in an internet spaceship pew pew lasers game.

We are Goons and you can not kill us.

Wonder if BoB knows how to fight an enemy that doesn't follow the standard rules?

[Tripamang]

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...hreadID=370696

By far one of the best reads on the eve-o forums. I have to give Goons credit for throwing this back in BoB's face, it was tasteless on their part. Using your dead buddy as a ploy for war over the internet really has to take the cake in terms of "most retarded thing I've ever heard".

[Larion]

The reason why BoB will fight Goonswarm is not only the incident with the dead people joke. It was just the last drop needed for them to really go for it. BoB is known to have spy's in all important entities and they do have more then one in Goonswarm as well on higher levels.
The reason why they don't "accept the apology + kicking of said member" is a bit deeper then displayed on the boards. I wont go much into it, but it has a lot to do with comments certain directors made and the way it was handled by the Goonswarm leadership.
The basic hatred by BoB and many other entities in Eve doesn't come from this incident though it comes from the general attitude of the Goons and especially remedial.
Goons think their kind of humor is something everybody has to accept and this is in fact wrong in Eve, because the stronger is right and Goonswarm is not the stronger part here.

It is definitly a great moment to remove the goonswarm alliance form the game since they are very busy claiming territory(wich they where warned not to do very often before by BoB). Claiming territory close to BoB space was more then just stupid and they will have to pay for it.

I have fought BoB and i know they are killable and i also know that it is possible to come out positive in "ISK destroyed" figure vs. them if you can force them to fight on your terms, but this can't happen if they try to invade you. Goonswarm will have to fight when BoB wants it and on BoB's terms, since they are the vulnerable ones being attacked.
They can't invade BoB space and they can also be quite sure that BoB is hardcore enough to keep a war going for many many month until the alliance does not exist anymore.

I had a long conversation with a couple BoB members earlier this evening and they all said they don't fight the people in goonswarm, they want the name vanish from eve. It is quite something for BoB to go this far and say they want the name to vanish, because if they fail they loose a LOT.

Good luck Goonswarm is all i can say, you will definitly need it.

[Tripamang]

Originally Posted by Larion

The reason why BoB will fight Goonswarm is not only the incident with the dead people joke. It was just the last drop needed for them to really go for it. BoB is known to have spy's in all important entities and they do have more then one in Goonswarm as well on higher levels.
The reason why they don't "accept the apology + kicking of said member" is a bit deeper then displayed on the boards. I wont go much into it, but it has a lot to do with comments certain directors made and the way it was handled by the Goonswarm leadership.
The basic hatred by BoB and many other entities in Eve doesn't come from this incident though it comes from the general attitude of the Goons and especially remedial.
Goons think their kind of humor is something everybody has to accept and this is in fact wrong in Eve, because the stronger is right and Goonswarm is not the stronger part here.

It is definitly a great moment to remove the goonswarm alliance form the game since they are very busy claiming territory(wich they where warned not to do very often before by BoB). Claiming territory close to BoB space was more then just stupid and they will have to pay for it.

I have fought BoB and i know they are killable and i also know that it is possible to come out positive in "ISK destroyed" figure vs. them if you can force them to fight on your terms, but this can't happen if they try to invade you. Goonswarm will have to fight when BoB wants it and on BoB's terms, since they are the vulnerable ones being attacked.
They can't invade BoB space and they can also be quite sure that BoB is hardcore enough to keep a war going for many many month until the alliance does not exist anymore.

I had a long conversation with a couple BoB members earlier this evening and they all said they don't fight the people in goonswarm, they want the name vanish from eve. It is quite something for BoB to go this far and say they want the name to vanish, because if they fail they loose a LOT.

Good luck Goonswarm is all i can say, you will definitly need it.

So you're saying that you talked to a buddy in BoB and they are in fact fighting goonies over territory and the silly incident with a 4month old sig was pretty much a fake pretense for them to invade?

[Larion]

You could interpret it as that if you had not read the whole thread on the Eve-online forums wich you obviously did not. BoB officials said multiple times that it is mostly because they don't like what the goons stand for and that the signature(and especially the internal handling by goonfleet) was just the rest that was needed for them to go for it.

BoB ain't fighting over territory they have enough and they can't even handle more... they are already using various corps around their regions as a buffer and to actually make use of all the BoB claimed space they can't use because it is to big for them.

In the end BoB does not like the goons(and especialyl remedial who has a nice history with many BoB wich will hopefully some day also appear on the eve online forums) like many other of the big alliances and want them gone.

I am btw everything but a BoB lover, but there is no way i respect the goons at all and BoB at least make good enemies.
And if you think BoB need a reason to fuck over another alliance then you really should have watched the alliance politics a bit more.
BoB is a relativly young alliance and did not even own a region before 2005. There is a reason they coined the phrase "Nice region, we take it!"

What is also quite interesting is that BoB's total alliance member numbers have skyrocketed since the last real all out war they fought. They are close to 2000 members now and those are all well trained with good skills and they are pretty much all die hard gamers with sick playtimes.

There is fun times ahead and i am really curious how this all turns out. I wont cheer for either i think both can rot in hell and disappear from the eve universe i wont care much.
What i really will enjoy though is the SA forum warriors being pushed around and crying out loud on the eve-o boards.