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[Kaxmax]

Originally Posted by Weritech

If you were a top in player in the early months of EQ and your group died trying to do some deep LGuk there was NO ONE capable of bailing you out.

It's been a real long time, but I seem to recall Invis vs Undead making LGuk CR's pretty trivial. I could be wrong here, as it may have been a spell added at a later date.

[Rythonn]

Originally Posted by Merauk

Early wipe outs in POG were a bit dicey.

No druids?

[Adrain]

Originally Posted by Venjenz

No....fuck those shitass little Thifling motherfuckers that had 3 gajillion hitpoints and hit for 1 point a pop. I did two complete PoG raids that involved dropping Tunare, and I never went back to that zone because of those two fucking mobs that took longer to kill than the rest of the zone. Probably the reason I hated Luclin bosses so much was because they brought back memories of those two mobs.

Luclin endurance matches ftl.

You poor bastard. Im pretty sure those didnt come to her aid. Even if they did who gives a shit about something hitting that lightly.

Tunare stopped being fun after they made it so you couldnt disarm her weapon drops.

[Etadanik]

I said this a long time ago, but I'll repeat it:

EQ deaths had a factor of uncertainty. The chances of you losing your corpse are slim, but there's always that chance. Moreover, you don't know how long it might take to bail your corpse out. It might take a few minutes (if a group was nearby). It might take hours, or even days. You might get a res. Or you might not.

WoW deaths do not. You know exactly how much you lose, in terms of gold, each time you die.

The unknown is always more terrifying than the known, and therefore EQ deaths > WoW deaths at any level of play until they introduced widely-available corpse summons and grave yards. At this point, EQ deaths lost all senses of uncertainty and became exactly the same as WoW deaths minus the money sink.

[Cybsled]

It's been a real long time, but I seem to recall Invis vs Undead making LGuk CR's pretty trivial. I could be wrong here, as it may have been a spell added at a later date.

Invis vs. undead was a release spell, and if I'm not mistaken, multiple classes had it.

It did make CRs very easy for dead side. By contrast, live side had some shamans who cast see invis.

[Digits]

While the invis bit is true, I also recall it being horrendously unreliable. Although invis versus undead not so much, but there was always a chance you would wind up in a bad spot with no invis and another death under your belt. I also seem to recall mobs being able to see through it like stealth in wow? I'm probably not right, but traveling through lguk on my cleric invised scared the shit out of me so my memory might be addled.

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Originally Posted by Etadanik

I said this a long time ago, but I'll repeat it:

EQ deaths had a factor of uncertainty... and stuff...

Yep. On multiple occasions I had friends call me in (shadowknight) to ninja their corpses out within minutes of res timers expiring or within days of body poof. these were pretty casual and often poor players who couldn't afford coffins all the time.

As a matter of fact, when I did do corpse retreavals I often had a "let me try once rule". If they lost a body and offered to give me a coffin (or a pile of coin. i usualy carried a coffin), I'd try to physicaly ninja in once to pull it out manualy. they'd usualy let me keep the coffin or the cash for the coffin if i did, so it was pretty rewarding to do it. and it was some of the best fun I ever had in EQ and some of the proudest moments I had pulling casual_jane_05's corpse out from deep somewhere that she couldn't find it.

self only invis, bobbing corpse, 3 fein death spells, tank hitpoints. The ability to FD, hide, stand up, meditate and go deeper. It was good to be a CRing sk.

note that i'm not saying that it was a mechanic that made everyone happy, but I had some damn good times dungion diving for folk's corpses.

[Rythonn]

Originally Posted by Cybsled

Invis vs. undead was a release spell, and if I'm not mistaken, multiple classes had it.

It did make CRs very easy for dead side. By contrast, live side had some shamans who cast see invis.

Spend enough time on dead side and you would be non-agro to live side

[Rythonn]

Originally Posted by Digits

While the invis bit is true, I also recall it being horrendously unreliable. Although invis versus undead not so much, but there was always a chance you would wind up in a bad spot with no invis and another death under your belt. I also seem to recall mobs being able to see through it like stealth in wow? I'm probably not right, but traveling through lguk on my cleric invised scared the shit out of me so my memory might be addled.

CR was so easy in lguk a monk with SoW could train the whole dungeon and live.

[Etadanik]

CR in dead side LGUK

Invis vs. undead made it mostly trivial. Live side was a different story if you fought there and couldn't find people non-KOS to frogs. Still, Guk wasn't all that bad.

One of the earliest EQ dungeons, Befallen, had some of the most evil CR schemes due to its use of locked doors and keys that would stay on your corpse.

[Zuuljin]

Originally Posted by ...

Yep. On multiple occasions I had friends call me in (shadowknight) to ninja their corpses out within minutes of res timers expiring or within days of body poof. these were pretty casual and often poor players who couldn't afford coffins all the time.

As a matter of fact, when I did do corpse retreavals I often had a "let me try once rule". If they lost a body and offered to give me a coffin (or a pile of coin. i usualy carried a coffin), I'd try to physicaly ninja in once to pull it out manualy. they'd usualy let me keep the coffin or the cash for the coffin if i did, so it was pretty rewarding to do it. and it was some of the best fun I ever had in EQ and some of the proudest moments I had pulling casual_jane_05's corpse out from deep somewhere that she couldn't find it.

self only invis, bobbing corpse, 3 fein death spells, tank hitpoints. The ability to FD, hide, stand up, meditate and go deeper. It was good to be a CRing sk.

note that i'm not saying that it was a mechanic that made everyone happy, but I had some damn good times dungion diving for folk's corpses.

Sometimes I miss my SK. I was able to go just about anywhere minus keyed area's and explore. I'd usually see 90% of expansions on the first day as long as most of the content wasnt blocked.

[Yaguex]

Actually, Invis CR was sort of scary for many classes because its duration was kind of random: sometimes it'd last 5 minutes, sometimes it'd poof within 10 seconds. So, see'ing your invis buff begin to blink out while naked-pulling your corpse across a fully-spawned dungeon did indeed deliver its share of shiver down the spine hehehhehe.

Aaahhh, the ole good days...




Yag.

[Sylas]

One of the earliest EQ dungeons, Befallen, had some of the most evil CR schemes due to its use of locked doors and keys that would stay on your corpse.

QFT, that fucking well + level 11 rogue = hours of CR

[Soygen]

When Prexus first opened, my lowbie druid fell down that well. Luckily someone a bit higher bailed me out and dragged me to zone in. That well sucked.

[Itzena]

Hollow tree > well