Another lead designer leaves sigil. - Page 23

Fammaden · 03-31-2006, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Smed

I put the filling in them... no way I'm eating them

Now that's just wrong.

Plaeroma · 03-31-2006, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Smed

I put the filling in them... no way I'm eating them

Lmao, not what I expected there. This thread is so ridiculous.

Laerazi · 03-31-2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Smed

I put the filling in them... no way I'm eating them

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit and then swallowed it.

Mkopec1 · 03-31-2006, 10:49 PM

I think Smed might be tapping the liqor cabinet.

elrich · 03-31-2006, 11:01 PM

This thread went FoHSS pretty fast there at the end.

Simas · 03-31-2006, 11:04 PM

zomg! Smed is Ryan Reynolds?!

Just so im up too speed, now when stuff is messed up in beta and people yell "its only beta! itll get fixed" people complain, when stuff is messed up in beta and gets fixed people scream "reworking! game needs 3 more years!" and then when beta goes forever people complain that the game isnt out but when the beta is short people complain they didnt have time to fix enough stuff?

Thats cool.

Zehn - Vhex · 03-31-2006, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Digo

I kind of wish this board had a reputation points system so we could red dot the shit out of retards instead of suffering their drivel. Brad, Smed, et al that post here, for every degenerate retard that flames or whines, there are 10 more of us that are interested in what you have to say, even if we don't play your games.

In two years people visiting FoHguild.org will ask, "What's that giant red dot inbetween every 2 posts on every thread?" to which we will reply with, "Oh that? That's just Cad."

EnigmaticParadigm · 03-31-2006, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

In two years people visiting FoHguild.org will ask, "What's that giant red dot inbetween every 2 posts on every thread?" to which we will reply with, "Oh that? That's just Cad."

lol

Krones · 03-31-2006, 11:29 PM

Hey Smed, since you are feeling loopy and seem to be enjoying your new favorite thread, tell us about SOEattle and the rumored RMT (real money trade) mmorpg that is going to flop.

reala · 03-31-2006, 11:31 PM

Just one small statement from your typical eq addict.

EQ - Played 3 days straight, quit job 6 weeks later.
WoW - Played all night, took next day off work sick. Quit 5 months later.
VG - Got up to go to work the next morning.

I see a pattern.

Lucane Darkseraphim · 03-31-2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by reala

Just one small statement from your typical eq addict.

EQ - Played 3 days straight, quit job 6 weeks later.
WoW - Played all night, took next day off work sick. Quit 5 months later.
VG - Got up to go to work the next morning.

I see a pattern.

You can't hold a job?

Istros · 03-31-2006, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Krones

The original Vanguard community was fucking fantastic if you were into armchair design and wanted too help shape and mold Vanguard into a remarkable world, something different, a mmog with advanced concepts and ideas, potential, tremendous fucking kick-ass potential, the funding was there, the development team was there, the early community support was there.

Think about it, how many positive leaks have you read besides from Oloh, which are discredited by many who know his history since he is McQuaid's lap dog and the conglomerate game sites who know absolutely fucking jack-shit about mmogs compared to any veteran on this board? I've read constant pessimistic outlooks ever since beta 0, including private channels from friends of friends breaking the nda, etc. Friends whom I trust more than any of those cocksuckers. Why all the fucking negativity when Vanguard had one of the most outstanding pre-beta communities ever?

Vanguard's early community downfall was inevitable, nothing lasts forever. I’ve noticed that a lot of the core vanbois didn't stick around after McQuaid announced Sigil would be shit-canning their forums in favor of third party forums after Vanguard's release, aside from the few die-hards still sticking around. Not worth it, no beta invite, no forum as we once knew it.

Still despite the death of one of the best communities, the majority of Vanguard's early followers would have made excellent alpha testers before adding random signups and starting the transition to a disastrous closed public beta and Vanguard didn't take advantage of that. I'm not talking about Oloh and his cronies either.

Sigil fucked up the selection process early on, while random beta picks are fair and needed for optimization, Vanguard needed a large decent core of hardcore alpha testers early in the creation process who are understandable, respectable and patient. Testers who don't fucking need, but more than anything else desire and want too put up with the bullshit that comes with early development. Yes, I know these testers are still out there, but that's not the point.

The sorry ass retention numbers for beta floating around only prove Sigil fucked up, someone please tell me what exactly McQuaid was expecting after the majority of those random pickups have played EQII and WoW for the last year? Gosh, Idiot! comes to my mind. It's too late to fix that fuck up now and Sigil has to basically start over with a substantial credible testing base in phase 3. Frustrating for those players who really could have made an impact on Vanguard. I'm scraping the surface, I'm not even going to dilvulge all the nitty-gritty details I've fucking heard from trusted sources on how Sigil has handled Vanguard's early testing phases.

Maybe Vanguard's beta retention will improve when they zerg invite another 5-8 thousand testers and their proposed 3rd gen mechanics such as combat, crafting and dueling npcs with canned phrases should be more polished. However, despite all that shit I just wrote, the most detrimental outlook too Vanguard is the fact Sigil lost three of their most talented (senior) designers in the last year, a massive fact and that alone hurts Vanguard's development more than anything else.

Vanguard@E3 compared to the progress we witnessed last year should be very interesting.

Best post on this thread Krones. It's a shame that many are happier to flame eachother than responding to your points.

The best response Brad can give to nay sayers is to ship a kick-ass game. Hope he can deliver a polished product for those of us who are genuinely waiting for a living breathing fantasy world.

reala · 03-31-2006, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucane Darkseraphim

You can't hold a job?

Maybe you can't follow a pattern but just in case you misunderstood what i said the first time around the comment about wow was that i quit WoW after 5 months.

It's boring as shit, i'd rather be at work. That's alot coming from someone who quit work to play EQ 6 years ago (of course i was 19 at the time).

nyx · 03-31-2006, 11:59 PM

Ok Vanguard Beta 2 sucks.

Can we start harping on Conan now? I want to see how far this forum gets with that one.

Istros · 04-01-2006, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by nyx

Ok Vanguard Beta 2 sucks.

Can we start harping on Conan now? I want to see how far this forum gets with that one.

If Conan exploits the benefits of being a Mature rated game (along with a kickass licence) fully, I dont really see how it could fail...

03-31-2006, 10:49 PM	#334 (permalink)
Mkopec1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit Posts: 5,221	I think Smed might be tapping the liqor cabinet. __________________ When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think about how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong.

03-31-2006, 11:04 PM	#336 (permalink)
Simas Say word Join Date: May 2005 Location: NoVa Posts: 1,767 -22 Internets	zomg! Smed is Ryan Reynolds?! Just so im up too speed, now when stuff is messed up in beta and people yell "its only beta! itll get fixed" people complain, when stuff is messed up in beta and gets fixed people scream "reworking! game needs 3 more years!" and then when beta goes forever people complain that the game isnt out but when the beta is short people complain they didnt have time to fix enough stuff? Thats cool. __________________ Destroyer

03-31-2006, 11:29 PM	#339 (permalink)
Krones Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: purgatory Posts: 57 +0 Internets	Hey Smed, since you are feeling loopy and seem to be enjoying your new favorite thread, tell us about SOEattle and the rumored RMT (real money trade) mmorpg that is going to flop. __________________ Plaguelands, where I go emo and the elves hold me.

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03-31-2006, 11:01 PM	#335 (permalink)
elrich Jackass Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 944 -3 Internets	This thread went FoHSS pretty fast there at the end.

03-31-2006, 11:31 PM	#340 (permalink)
reala Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 73 +0 Internets	Just one small statement from your typical eq addict. EQ - Played 3 days straight, quit job 6 weeks later. WoW - Played all night, took next day off work sick. Quit 5 months later. VG - Got up to go to work the next morning. I see a pattern.

03-31-2006, 11:59 PM	#344 (permalink)
nyx Victorian Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 283 -1 Internets	Ok Vanguard Beta 2 sucks. Can we start harping on Conan now? I want to see how far this forum gets with that one.