Another lead designer leaves sigil.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Originally Posted by Itzena

This board is making some new friends!
You know, for all the Vanbois decrying of WoW, that certainly reads like a Bnet thread.


Edit: Also, apparently the Brad McQuaid who posts here is an imposter.

Those boards have sunk so low so fast. "Beta" must be a mating call for morons.

[Stragi]

Originally Posted by Aradune Mithara

Fair enough

As for Froglocks, sorry man, no froggies in VG.

ninjas

[Aradune Mithara]

The intent behind my 'flame' was to expose misinformation about Vanguard and to make sure that people who have chosen to break the NDA and mix truth and lies about their experiences, or to predict doom and gloom are counterbalanced by the truth, clarity, and a different point of view and perspective. Why? Do I expect them to change their minds? Not at all. No, it's to make sure the many readers here hear both sides until they have the opportunity to make their own decisions when the NDA is lifted or they purchase the game or they check out the game at a friend's who has purchased the game.

That's it. That's all.

Now it's clear that the controversial nature of this thread has drawn all sorts of people from other rant sites who enjoy attacking games like EQ and Vanguard and the philosophies and designs they use. As I've stated, I'm here to promote Vanguard, and because I like to interact with people who enjoy discussing MMOGs, and also to clear up misinformation. I am NOT here to debate with those who have already made up their minds that Vanguard is not for them and to flame for entertainment in and of itself.

In other words, enjoy yourselves, but what I needed to say, and what Oloh and others needed to say, has been said. I now return to making Vanguard and promoting it. Celebrate perhaps if you feel you've driven us off, although I think you do this board a disservice (but I'll let the regular posters here decide that). Good bye.

[Szlia]

Originally Posted by vurt

You may be right, but that isn't good either. You're not having your game properly beta tested if no one is online to test it. If the game is designed in such a way that 4000 strangers are not likely to group together, then there's something wrong with your beta test.

2.5% of your potential players being on at peak hours doesn't look good any way you cut it.

I am not saying all is wonderful, I am just making an hypothesis that I think is somewhat reasonable. Also note that these 4k people prolly came in different waves to the game, that I guess there are several starting cities and also that no matter what, if you have 4k people playing you will never ever see them all online at the same time. If the population is spread thin in space and level range yet you have to group and did not came to the game with a previously formed community, I can see that as something discouraging. Plus the game world is unkown to almost everybody, so no one knows The Amazing Caves of the Silver Snake of Saboulia is the place to be in your low 20s (l33t bEta Inf0z right there).

It's not cool and dandy by any mean, but all I am saying is that the reason for the low activity of the beta testers can be something else than an issue with the quality of the game.

[findar]

Originally Posted by Menion

Maybe because like a lot of people I have a shelf full of shitty MMOs that will never be played again? A lot of people are very gun shy after partaking in shitty MMO release after shitty MMO release so they try to find out as much information about any MMO they are thinking about playing before it's released. I know I do...

i would also imagine because unlike regular games that give you free single player demos to try the game out, you pretty much have to buy the game to get that first "free" month.

edit: surprised no one has mentioned the brad interview in gameinformer.

[Cuppycake]

Originally Posted by Aradune Mithara

Celebrate perhaps if you feel you've driven us off, although I think you do this board a disservice (but I'll let the regular posters here decide that). Good bye.

I hope this don't mean that you're not going to post here anymore =( I'd venture to say the vast majority of us enjoy reading your posts and appreciate your presence here.

As for Utnayan, I don't understand why he hasn't been banned yet. I'd hate to think that devs stop posting here because of his bullshit (and the other attention loving flamebois here).

[findar]

Originally Posted by Cuppycake

I hope this don't mean that you're not going to post here anymore =( I'd venture to say the vast majority of us enjoy reading your posts and appreciate your presence here.

As for Utnayan, I don't understand why he hasn't been banned yet. I'd hate to think that devs stop posting here because of his bullshit (and the other attention loving flamebois here).

no offense cuppy but in the smed V ut superthread he got more back and forth dialogue going then a lot of the fanboi's had. it helps to have people with information speculative about people's intention / plans.

[Cinge]

Easy solution for those that dont like what they hear and/or see. DONT PLAY. It's thats easy. Instead of constantly posting in threads that have to deal with games you dont like, just stay out of them, since you obvisouly have ZERO interest in the game but to insult/intice ppl interested or devs/testers of the game like 5 year olds.

And for my opinion. I hope Brad continues to post, Im looking forward to vanguard, as i have no interest in any games out atm(mmo's that is). Sure im worried about the low test numbers and what i hear from the "haha im in beta and it sucks so i quit" crowd. But unless these ppl you hear your bad press from are your exact twins or exact taste/peronsaltiy , i dont see how you base your opinions on someone elses opinions. I'd rather buy it or maybe stress test it and see for myself in person if i like that game or no.Everyone has different taste, as you can see the the many MMO's going that have profitable populations. Just Cause WoW has 5m+ or w/e it is atm, doesnt mean thats the only Formula that works, lots of Niche markets out there, look at EVE or hell even AO still has ppl.

[Zarcath]

Not sure what you expect from these boards, the largest collection of jaded MMO players you can find.

[Cuppycake]

Originally Posted by findar

no offense cuppy but in the smed V ut superthread he got more back and forth dialogue going then a lot of the fanboi's had. it helps to have people with information speculative about people's intention / plans.

That's true, but I hope they didn't get sick of it and decide not to come back =x

[Tripamang]

Originally Posted by Aradune Mithara

The intent behind my 'flame' was to expose misinformation about Vanguard and to make sure that people who have chosen to break the NDA and mix truth and lies about their experiences, or to predict doom and gloom are counterbalanced by the truth, clarity, and a different point of view and perspective. Why? Do I expect them to change their minds? Not at all. No, it's to make sure the many readers here hear both sides until they have the opportunity to make their own decisions when the NDA is lifted or they purchase the game or they check out the game at a friend's who has purchased the game.

That's it. That's all.

Now it's clear that the controversial nature of this thread has drawn all sorts of people from other rant sites who enjoy attacking games like EQ and Vanguard and the philosophies and designs they use. As I've stated, I'm here to promote Vanguard, and because I like to interact with people who enjoy discussing MMOGs, and also to clear up misinformation. I am NOT here to debate with those who have already made up their minds that Vanguard is not for them and to flame for entertainment in and of itself.

In other words, enjoy yourselves, but what I needed to say, and what Oloh and others needed to say, has been said. I now return to making Vanguard and promoting it. Celebrate perhaps if you feel you've driven us off, although I think you do this board a disservice (but I'll let the regular posters here decide that). Good bye.

So one or two people flame you with issues they have and because you can't/wont'/don't want to respond to them you're just ceasing posting?

Wow... Brad I'm not sure what you expected from a community site but people coming here and sucking your dick every time you post isn't a reality. You are a human being working a project you obviously hold dear, but you're always going to have critics and you can't silence them all and I think by now you should realize that they're are die hard people who hate the design process of MMO's atm. Shitty game after shitty game makes it's way out the door and you are providing them with an audience with one of their creators, and for the most part their criticisms are correct but due the nature of the games you design it can take any amount of time before a "good" product sees the light of day. Theres a lot of pissed off people especially at your previous creations, you should know this and I think you should beable to handle this.

But ceasing posting to the community in which you helped found through your creations due to criticism is rather lame on your part. This isn't a wishy washy message board, never has been... and I think you either had poor expectations (see dick sucking comment) or you're just easily offended. This is your real audience, and it's kind of sad how quickly you're running away from it when it sours to your point of view.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by Aradune Mithara

No, it's to make sure the many readers here hear both sides until they have the opportunity to make their own decisions when the NDA is lifted or they purchase the game or they check out the game at a friend's who has purchased the game.

But Brad...you have a sizable population of testers, excuse me, wasted potential testers who could have a look at your game now and help you fix it. Why don't you take a look at your stupid fucking Beta invite process and find out how some people who are complete fucktards get beta invites and others...MANY FUCKING OTHERS BRAD never do get invited.

Maybe you went the Smed/Scotty route and only invited people who never beta tested a game before because they (laugh) wanted an unbiased beta testers opinion of their beta. That sounds moronic because guess what -DING- it is.

It would appear that Sigil (like SOE) has become inbred so to speak, inviting only the knee cap suckers from the game forums, their cool friends, the uber guild leaders and their pals and thats about it. Opps, forgot the I've never beta tested a game before idiot crowd.

I submit that there are many players out there, who enjoy identifying and submitted bug reports (even the game breaking ones) because they see it as a badge of honor. A bonafide challenge that they take pride in reporting.

You wouldn't know who they are though, because you don't care (no game company does) and you never fucking will. You Brad, more then anyone in this industry have the power to change this inbred bullshit policy.

Dare you.

[vurt]

Originally Posted by Cinge

Easy solution for those that dont like what they hear and/or see. DONT PLAY. It's thats easy. Instead of constantly posting in threads that have to deal with games you dont like, just stay out of them, since you obvisouly have ZERO interest in the game but to insult/intice ppl interested or devs/testers of the game like 5 year olds.

I think that for just about everyone posting negative comments here, it's because we care. We see the potential Vanguard has and really want it to be a great game. Some comments are a little inflammatory, but I'm sure they mean well.

[Gnome Eater]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

But Brad...you have a sizable population of testers, excuse me, wasted potential testers who could have a look at your game now and help you fix it. Why don't you take a look at your stupid fucking Beta invite process and find out how some people who are complete fucktards get beta invites and others...MANY FUCKING OTHERS BRAD never do get invited.

Could you make it any more transparent that the reason you are flaming is because you never got invited into beta?

[Murr]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

i didn't get into beta and i'm ANGRY

You act like someone personally took a steaming shit in your cheerios this morning - chill the fuck out.