Another lead designer leaves sigil. - Page 15

Kolle · 03-31-2006, 06:49 AM

I thought of a good response to all of this, but I was thrown off track by a cool orc offering me a sure way of duping for only $19.99.

Anyways, am I the only person that laughs at a NDA for a video game? I might not make a big post to break the NDA for no good reason (this thread), but I sure as hell tell my significant other/friends. Exchanging playtime for sexual favors isn't unheard of either.

Malvesti · 03-31-2006, 06:55 AM

There's a disturbing amount of fanboi-ism here.

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Vanguard > *

and

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To Brad:

Please . . . .

are just two examples.

Anyway, people break promises to keep secrets all the time, in all walks of life, at all levels of responsibility. I'm not sure why Sigil thinks it can keep an airtight beta with an NDA. And if the haters are wrong and the game is much better than they say, the NDA is only preventing those with the real knowledge about how sweet it is from talking.

Citten · 03-31-2006, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by elrich

No one here will take seriously what they say

How about you speak for your fucking self? They've made, well neric has made points that not only make sense, but are in fact most usually true.

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Originally Posted by elrich

Most people on this board understand that an unfinished game in beta is well, what beta is for

Actually, not sure if youve been down with all the vanguard information, actually...I am sure you havn't. Get your head out of your ass. Beta is not for making a new fucking game. Brad tries to persuade us into thinking that because he bombed, if i were him i'd be doing the exact same thing too.

To say years of mechanics and implementation need to be redone in beta 2.5 and having that be 'normal' is a way to save face, simply. If you were not so blind you'd see this, and also know beta is for minor tweaks and fleshing out bugs and what not. Not making a slightly different or different game in any of it's context regarding it needing to be more fun because of basic god damn things.

elrich · 03-31-2006, 07:01 AM

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Actually, not sure if youve been down with all the vanguard information, actually...I am sure you havn't. Get your head out of your ass. Beta is not for making a new fucking game. Brad tries to persuade us into thinking that because he bombed, if i were him i'd be doing the exact same thing too.

To say years of mechanics and implementation need to be redone in beta 2.5 and having that be 'normal' is a way to save face, simply. If you were not so blind you'd see this, and also know beta is for minor tweaks and fleshing out bugs and what not. Not making a slightly different or different game in any of it's context regarding it needing to be more fun because of basic god damn things.

Well, you make a good point, but it certainly isn't the one you intended on making.

You make an excellent point for why NDAs are important, and why companies should, when neccesary, enforce them.

Citten · 03-31-2006, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by elrich

Well, you make a good point, but it certainly isn't the one you intended on making.

You make an excellent point for why NDAs are important, and why companies should, when neccesary, enforce them.

Nothing I've said is breaking the NDA. It's shit brad has stated or i've heard from people on this board. Also for the whole of this board, there will always be players who break NDA's regardless, which is always why it's a bad idea to have them, the positives never come out (as the statement has been beaten in this thread several times and again).

elrich · 03-31-2006, 07:10 AM

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It's shit brad has stated or i've heard from people on this board. Get a clue.

My point exactly.

Gnome Eater · 03-31-2006, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Raglaum

PS. NDA's are only important if you sign them.

Fixed for accuracy

Citten · 03-31-2006, 07:17 AM

Word of mouth on this board has been confirmed and indirectly shamefully acknowledged by mr.aradune himself - have you been keeping up to date with any of this? It's no mystery that rumors are not only true, but acknowledged and repeated over and over again by NDA'ers. Let alone the beta newsletters that everyone saw. It's no mystery about the state things are in.

I guess I'm not sure what you're trying to say here? You're blindly defending him and you yourself havn't taken the time to read the posts and look at players responses and so forth. It all goes hand in hand.

Kolle · 03-31-2006, 07:23 AM

So is Vanguard gonna make me feel like a virgin again or not?

GrobbeeTrull · 03-31-2006, 07:28 AM

Doubtful.

Gnome Eater · 03-31-2006, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Raglaum

Word of mouth on this board has been confirmed and indirectly shamefully acknowledged by mr.aradune himself - have you been keeping up to date with any of this? It's no mystery that rumors are not only true, but acknowledged and repeated over and over again by NDA'ers. Let alone the beta newsletters that everyone saw. It's no mystery about the state things are in.

I guess I'm not sure what you're trying to say here? You're blindly defending him and you yourself havn't taken the time to read the posts and look at players responses and so forth. It all goes hand in hand.

The has been no player responses, because the only people who could do so are not allowed too - is this clear to you yet? If you don't believe you can honor an NDA, don't fucking sign it. I don't care if you hate the game or love the game, you signed that you wouldn't talk about it.

GrobbeeTrull · 03-31-2006, 07:29 AM

Ps. All I had to do was un-check "Show your signature".

GrobbeeTrull · 03-31-2006, 07:37 AM

Citten · 03-31-2006, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gnome Eater

The has been no player responses, because the only people who could do so are not allowed too - is this clear to you yet? If you don't believe you can honor an NDA, don't fucking sign it. I don't care if you hate the game or love the game, you signed that you wouldn't talk about it.

Re-read my posts. I agree with you. I'm saying however that the current state has in fact been confirmed by several sources that in considering combat things are weak and not fun, that's all. Whether you like the game don't like the game break the NDA or hold the NDA it's been confirmed by devs themselves that it's not where they want it and something is wrong and will need to be changed. This type of change could be looked at as something that shouldn't be going on this late in developement.

Eomer · 03-31-2006, 07:51 AM

And you're assuming they're completely redesigning combat, as opposed to making a few tweaks to skills here and there and adjusting DPS and combat length. Oh the horror! Database changes! 3-6 months before release! The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Wolves! Wolves!

Just what is a beta for anyway? Oh right, a chance for bottom feeders to play the game for free and complain! My bad.

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Kolle Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,879 -25 Internets	I thought of a good response to all of this, but I was thrown off track by a cool orc offering me a sure way of duping for only $19.99. Anyways, am I the only person that laughs at a NDA for a video game? I might not make a big post to break the NDA for no good reason (this thread), but I sure as hell tell my significant other/friends. Exchanging playtime for sexual favors isn't unheard of either. Last edited by Kolle; 03-31-2006 at 06:53 AM..

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03-31-2006, 07:17 AM	#218 (permalink)
Citten Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Antarctica Posts: 719	Word of mouth on this board has been confirmed and indirectly shamefully acknowledged by mr.aradune himself - have you been keeping up to date with any of this? It's no mystery that rumors are not only true, but acknowledged and repeated over and over again by NDA'ers. Let alone the beta newsletters that everyone saw. It's no mystery about the state things are in. I guess I'm not sure what you're trying to say here? You're blindly defending him and you yourself havn't taken the time to read the posts and look at players responses and so forth. It all goes hand in hand.

03-31-2006, 07:23 AM	#219 (permalink)
Kolle Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,879 -25 Internets	So is Vanguard gonna make me feel like a virgin again or not?

03-31-2006, 07:28 AM	#220 (permalink)
GrobbeeTrull Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Springfield, Ohio Posts: 1,685 +0 Internets	Doubtful.

03-31-2006, 07:29 AM	#222 (permalink)
GrobbeeTrull Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Springfield, Ohio Posts: 1,685 +0 Internets	Ps. All I had to do was un-check "Show your signature".

03-31-2006, 07:51 AM	#225 (permalink)
Eomer You mean I can change this? Neat! Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,975 +66 Internets	And you're assuming they're completely redesigning combat, as opposed to making a few tweaks to skills here and there and adjusting DPS and combat length. Oh the horror! Database changes! 3-6 months before release! The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Wolves! Wolves! Just what is a beta for anyway? Oh right, a chance for bottom feeders to play the game for free and complain! My bad.