Priest 1.10 PVP - Page 9

Quineloe · 03-21-2006, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

I really dislike people who treat priests like slaves. My EQ2 main is a Templar (Cleric) and this shit runs rampant there. But then again, from my experience in the vast majority of cases, the guys playing the front line heros are the atypical unibrow, cro-magnon, knuckle dragging, alpha male douche bags.

It's even worse in Guild Wars. I guess it's like that in all games.

Fuckers.

The thing is that unlike a WoW shadow priest, the EQ2 cleric is exactly like the EQ1 one.. except that they took away the last bit of utility we had. IVU? scratch that. Stuns? Nope. High blast power vs undead? Heh - now a joke compared to the vs everything nukes wizards have. At least my Inquisitor has some fun stuff like Heresy and Heretic's fate, but that's about it. Nothing you could possibly solo with.

Arbitrary · 03-21-2006, 05:23 AM

Someone refuses to heal in an instance? Punt them. Find someone else, move on. The group has the power and authority to make decisions of that nature. The group wants to win, healing is needed for winning, so we need healing.

Now, in a BG, winning is a whole fucking lot easier when people group up and do their job. However, in this situation, no one has authority to do shit. No matter how completely fucking worthless someone is they get to stick around.

Many people feel they have the same right to tell the Priest in the instance group what to be doing AND in the BG. But they don't. Now, they can be totally correct in wanting people to fufill their class roles to the fullest because they want to win but without any way to actually exercise force it is meaningless. The only thing you can do is bitch at them, leave the BG, or oly do BGs with people you know. WoW is even a big enough and casual enough game that the use of outside pressure is minimal. Oh no! I won't be able to join The Server's Uber Guild because my reputation of being a solo SP will keep me out!

Not going to happen. Not if they need Priests and he isn't a retard.

Twisten · 03-21-2006, 06:01 AM

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Basically; they were in WSG, this is TEAM vs TEAM. You are out to ahve your TEAM win, if not you shouldn't be playing in Capture the flag.

more people play for rep/faction/fun than to win ASAP.
face it when the reward for winning is to sit in a queue for an hour+ before you can play again why exactly are the priests supposed to want to help the hunter with the flag make the game finish quickly?

Wanand · 03-21-2006, 06:12 AM

I play a priest mainly pve very rarley pvp, but i know a priest is a healer that is what i do i keep people alive they keep me alive and maybe i am in the minority but i play pvp to win not farm HK, Infact i very rarley do damage in pvp i just dot rogues and the flag carrier and that about it.

The only ones i don't heal are people not in my group/raid why should i heal someone who refuses to grp up and get nothing from it.

I have always played like this heal and only heal and i can honestly say i cannot remeber the last time i lost a pvp match, If a priest is played well and played to what a preist is meant to do they make or break a pvp match espically on horde(alliance paladins can make up for the slack priest), When i see priest running around in shadow form inside a pvp match all i think is roll a mage (switching in and out of form fair enough but most just stay perma shadow form).

Come 1.10 all my points will be in +healing probley same 25/26 build i use atm

Cad · 03-21-2006, 06:14 AM

1> For those of you thinking I'm an idiot for killing the druid last, I had mortal strike and the druid went bear when I attacked him. I can 3-shot rogues my level. All three of them were attacking me, and I very nearly survived us killing them all.
2> If the priest is there for rep, not helping capture the flag is stupid.
3> If the priest is there for honor, he's stupid because this was a 30+ minute game due to turtling on both sides, we had killed every horde 6-7 times and weren't getting any honor from killing them.
4> If the priest is just there for "fun", you guys should be railing on him just like you do every other casual player in the game. But now the priests are coming out of woodwork claiming I'm asking them to be my "slave". Shut the fuck up. I didn't ask them to be my slaves. I asked them to help us WIN. There's a big difference in being a pocket healer and tossing a clutch heal to help us win the game. If you're too much of a fucking prima donna pussy who thinks healing = teh suck and you're here to have "FUN" with a blue line to toss out 1 or 2 clutch heals to win the game, please reroll a dps class immediately and have "fun" 100% of the time. Idiots.

Twisten · 03-21-2006, 06:32 AM

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If the priest is there for honor, he's stupid because this was a 30+ minute game due to turtling on both sides, we had killed every horde 6-7 times and weren't getting any honor from killing them

well that does change things a bit but still playing > queuing

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please reroll a dps class

most healers in my guild already have dps alts for BGs

Arbitrary · 03-21-2006, 06:32 AM

You just don't have any form of coercion at your disposal.

Now, if BGs had a /votekick, you'd be good, but that just isn't going to happen.

Ailu · 03-21-2006, 06:49 AM

Cad, maybe he just decided not to help you and go for the frag instead? That's pretty much the same mindset everyone in PUGs have regardless of class. I think the bottom line is that alot of people don't really give a shit about winning in PUGs. I know I stopped caring pretty fast after realizing I just ended up frustrated, just like you seem to be now.

Cad · 03-21-2006, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Arbitrary

You just don't have any form of coercion at your disposal.

Now, if BGs had a /votekick, you'd be good, but that just isn't going to happen.

I just left WSG at that time. It's obvious we weren't going to win with players like that and WSG is a waste of time if you don't win once you've gotten all the kill honor from the other side. I was already queued for AB so /afk and wait a few minutes for AB to come up, by the time AB is done the deserter flag would be off.

Yermum Onceme · 03-21-2006, 08:27 AM

Man this really went overboard. I don't agree that priests should never heal, but this whole they can do whatever the fuck they want in a knuckledragger-laden pug whine shit is just idiotic. You think because your teamates are stupid that it justifies you playing selfishly? You sank to their level, made some bad excuses for it, and now you even believe it yourself.

In cad's epic wsg adventure the problem was not that the priests needed to get out of shadow form and heal. Against 2 rogues and a druid, maximum cc and dps is key. The issue is that they didn't do something as simple as an instant cast pws on a groupmate - assuming they both weren't out of mana from dumping on rogues at that point. I'm not making the claim that either of them was necessarily talented in the least, just that their choice to forego healing in favor of shadow form (15% more dps and an "attack someone else" sign for the enemy) was probably for the best.

Once again though, if you are a priest (or druid or shaman or paladin) and you refuse to heal in a pug because the other guy won't help you either, you are NO better than he is, in fact, you're probably an even bigger waste. Nobody is making you play well in a pug, but don't think for even a second that you're doing the right thing just dpsing for honor, especially when it's a reaction to someone else doing the same goddamn thing you now are.

Gnome Eater · 03-21-2006, 08:34 AM

I am just wondering why all the people that are insisting priests need to stfu and heal in PUG are not playing priests themselves but are probably warriors, rogues and hunters?

Angerz · 03-21-2006, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Piriwi

Sometimes, when I join a BG (as a priest) I'll ask a warrior or mage to group up with me, promising to keep them healed while they AoE/rage through opposing teams. Most of the the time the answer I get is: 'lol you want to leech my HK'. Obviously I'm not going to heal them a single time, unless they carry the flag or if it will benefit me (by keeping some alliance busy while I kill them with SWP/dev plague). Or ofcourse, if they actually choose to help me out sometimes they'll get healing (or being the first warrior to fearbomb or mage to aoe a group of alliance might also earn some healpoints).

I had a priest whisper me that once. I got wood, no lie. We proceeded to destroy everyone we came up against.

And as far as telling priests what to do, I'll never forget the day my group told me to shadowform and DPS. That was a good day.

Cad · 03-21-2006, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gnome Eater

I am just wondering why all the people that are insisting priests need to stfu and heal in PUG are not playing priests themselves but are probably warriors, rogues and hunters?

Are you mentally handicapped? Do you really think what I'm asking is for priests to stfu and heal?

thenipple2000 · 03-21-2006, 08:51 AM

I agree with Cad. Those fucking priests should have thrown the PWS. But seriously, why does everyone insist that priests heal and only heal in PVP? After staring at green bars all day, rubbing off one after another to flash heal, I want to play with the other spells that I get along with those healing spells.

James · 03-21-2006, 08:51 AM

I am. Fucking cocksucker Shadowform priests can lick my nutsack. Same goes for dipshit Moonkin druids. Retards.

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03-21-2006, 06:12 AM	#124 (permalink)
Wanand Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 445 +0 Internets	I play a priest mainly pve very rarley pvp, but i know a priest is a healer that is what i do i keep people alive they keep me alive and maybe i am in the minority but i play pvp to win not farm HK, Infact i very rarley do damage in pvp i just dot rogues and the flag carrier and that about it. The only ones i don't heal are people not in my group/raid why should i heal someone who refuses to grp up and get nothing from it. I have always played like this heal and only heal and i can honestly say i cannot remeber the last time i lost a pvp match, If a priest is played well and played to what a preist is meant to do they make or break a pvp match espically on horde(alliance paladins can make up for the slack priest), When i see priest running around in shadow form inside a pvp match all i think is roll a mage (switching in and out of form fair enough but most just stay perma shadow form). Come 1.10 all my points will be in +healing probley same 25/26 build i use atm

03-21-2006, 06:14 AM	#125 (permalink)
Cad Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 6,677 -37 Internets	1> For those of you thinking I'm an idiot for killing the druid last, I had mortal strike and the druid went bear when I attacked him. I can 3-shot rogues my level. All three of them were attacking me, and I very nearly survived us killing them all. 2> If the priest is there for rep, not helping capture the flag is stupid. 3> If the priest is there for honor, he's stupid because this was a 30+ minute game due to turtling on both sides, we had killed every horde 6-7 times and weren't getting any honor from killing them. 4> If the priest is just there for "fun", you guys should be railing on him just like you do every other casual player in the game. But now the priests are coming out of woodwork claiming I'm asking them to be my "slave". Shut the fuck up. I didn't ask them to be my slaves. I asked them to help us WIN. There's a big difference in being a pocket healer and tossing a clutch heal to help us win the game. If you're too much of a fucking prima donna pussy who thinks healing = teh suck and you're here to have "FUN" with a blue line to toss out 1 or 2 clutch heals to win the game, please reroll a dps class immediately and have "fun" 100% of the time. Idiots.

03-21-2006, 06:49 AM	#128 (permalink)
Ailu Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: EU Posts: 322 +2 Internets	Cad, maybe he just decided not to help you and go for the frag instead? That's pretty much the same mindset everyone in PUGs have regardless of class. I think the bottom line is that alot of people don't really give a shit about winning in PUGs. I know I stopped caring pretty fast after realizing I just ended up frustrated, just like you seem to be now.

03-21-2006, 08:27 AM	#130 (permalink)
Yermum Onceme Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PA Posts: 1,693 -1 Internets	Man this really went overboard. I don't agree that priests should never heal, but this whole they can do whatever the fuck they want in a knuckledragger-laden pug whine shit is just idiotic. You think because your teamates are stupid that it justifies you playing selfishly? You sank to their level, made some bad excuses for it, and now you even believe it yourself. In cad's epic wsg adventure the problem was not that the priests needed to get out of shadow form and heal. Against 2 rogues and a druid, maximum cc and dps is key. The issue is that they didn't do something as simple as an instant cast pws on a groupmate - assuming they both weren't out of mana from dumping on rogues at that point. I'm not making the claim that either of them was necessarily talented in the least, just that their choice to forego healing in favor of shadow form (15% more dps and an "attack someone else" sign for the enemy) was probably for the best. Once again though, if you are a priest (or druid or shaman or paladin) and you refuse to heal in a pug because the other guy won't help you either, you are NO better than he is, in fact, you're probably an even bigger waste. Nobody is making you play well in a pug, but don't think for even a second that you're doing the right thing just dpsing for honor, especially when it's a reaction to someone else doing the same goddamn thing you now are.

03-21-2006, 08:34 AM	#131 (permalink)
Gnome Eater Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,227 +0 Internets	I am just wondering why all the people that are insisting priests need to stfu and heal in PUG are not playing priests themselves but are probably warriors, rogues and hunters?

03-21-2006, 08:51 AM	#134 (permalink)
thenipple2000 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 25 +0 Internets	I agree with Cad. Those fucking priests should have thrown the PWS. But seriously, why does everyone insist that priests heal and only heal in PVP? After staring at green bars all day, rubbing off one after another to flash heal, I want to play with the other spells that I get along with those healing spells.