Priest 1.10 PVP

[Cad]

Wow frott, had to toss something in there huh? He didn't heal anybody the whole BG, had nothing to with me, jackass.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Cad

Had they healed me even once, tossed me a renew, or even a PW:S, I would have lived and we probably would have capped the flag. They did NOTHING.

You're defending this?

Probably because they were already tired of you screaming "LOLZ SHADOW NOOB HEAL ALREADY"

[Cad]

And I would have been right to say it, but I hadn't said anything up to that point. I mean.. whats the point of having priests escort the flag carrier if they don't heal you? I'd rather have a warlock or a mage if they're just going to show that leet dps.

[Divinefactor]

Who the fuck are you telling some random person what to do and how to play?

If one of the following wasnt true, you should kindly stfu and roll your own healer to fucking heal yourself or buy more potions

1. You pay for the person's account

2. The person is your slave

3. The person is in your guild

4. You donated one of your organs to the person so they could live


otherwise, if you want heals, go with people you know, or roll your own healer

[Pren]

Originally Posted by Lyenae

Nothing to see here. Another class gets revamped and becomes overpowered in PvP. Druid, Warlock, Warrior, Hunter, now Priest....

How in the fuck are druids imbalanced in pvp you idiot? Comparing the druid revamp to the warlock and hunter revamps is ridiculous. Warriors weren't made imbalanced in pvp by their revamps, they were made imbalanced in pvp by itemization.

[Mkopec1]

Originally Posted by Divinefactor

Who the fuck are you telling some random person what to do and how to play?

If one of the following wasnt true, you should kindly stfu and roll your own healer to fucking heal yourself or buy more potions

1. You pay for the person's account

2. The person is your slave

3. The person is in your guild

4. You donated one of your organs to the person so they could live


otherwise, if you want heals, go with people you know, or roll your own healer

No offense dude, but when you roll up a fucking healer, I think people expect you to heal. You can melt faces too, but you should still heal, since you are still the fucking priest.

[Divinefactor]

just because you expect to be successful in life doesnt mean you should be


expectation, meet reality


just because someone CAN do something doesnt mean YOU should expect them to do it and give them shit when they do not.

If i you became an alchemist you could make all the potions you wanted and heal yourself using that, should i yell at you for not using potions since its expected of you as an alchemist?

[Cad]

Originally Posted by Divinefactor

just because you expect to be successful in life doesnt mean you should be


expectation, meet reality


just because someone CAN do something doesnt mean YOU should expect them to do it and give them shit when they do not.

If i you became an alchemist you could make all the potions you wanted and heal yourself using that, should i yell at you for not using potions since its expected of you as an alchemist?

Apples vs. Oranges. using potions or not is a question of using something that has real value, consumables. Casting a heal spell or not is something else, especially when you're in range, you have mana, doing so would have resulted in a win, not doing so resulted in a loss. Play your character how you want, but play like a moron and expect to get shit for it.

[Tuco]

Once again, I mention that to a lot of very intelligent priests, getting HKs is significantly more important than winning.

This is the failure of the game. There is not enough emphasis on winning, and people will continue to avoid playing their class's role while this is true.

[Dyscord]

Lets take this argument out to the maximum level of abstraction. Should you be yelled at for sucking and losing?

Yeah.

[Cad]

Originally Posted by Tuco

Once again, I mention that to a lot of very intelligent priests, getting HKs is significantly more important than winning.

This is the failure of the game. There is not enough emphasis on winning, and people will continue to avoid playing their class's role while this is true.

We were in a group together, if they had healed they would get the same honor points as melting faces. HK's are a non-factor in WSG anyway you get 0 honor past the first 3 minutes.

[Tsabrae]

The problem is that supporting your allies only works when you're supported in return.

Almost every priest I know refuses to PVP without guildmates. Why? Because random pickups don't guard the healers. You heal them, you get spotted, they let you die. The player gets frustrated and either stops PVPing or specs shadow.

[Jovec]

Originally Posted by Mkopec1

No offense dude, but when you roll up a fucking healer, I think people expect you to heal. You can melt faces too, but you should still heal, since you are still the fucking priest.

PUG PvP is just a downward spiral though. I'm not saying Healers shouldn't heal, but dumb play from the opposite direction exacerbates the problem. Flag runners who don't equip a shield, OOM cloth getting trained bitching at you for not healing, asshats getting pulled away from AB nodes, etc. All that just makes PUG healers who are on the border about healing, not want to. We talk about good players drasticly affecting the game through playing a strong support role, but they only do so because they know their teammates will play smart too.

-Jovec

[Divinefactor]

Originally Posted by Cad

Apples vs. Oranges. using potions or not is a question of using something that has real value, consumables. Casting a heal spell or not is something else, especially when you're in range, you have mana, doing so would have resulted in a win, not doing so resulted in a loss. Play your character how you want, but play like a moron and expect to get shit for it.

Using something that has a real value... such as the time both you and the priest are putting into the game, THATS a real value, if they want to spend their time NOT healing, agian... who the fuck are you to tell them they are a moron and should get shit for it?

Thats right some random person who feels that because a priest gets a heal spell, and you chose a class that doesnt, that obviously the priest should spend time making sure you dont get killed because you can win the game for them.


Maybe if you had done a better job during that BG you wouldnt have lost, but instead of accepting the blame, you shove it off to someone else saying, well if i would have gotten healed we would have won, rather, if you would have stopped the other team from acheiving the objections of the BG, while making sure your team acheives the objectives you would have won.


In either case, if you want a heal, roll a healer.

Otherwise, waste your "real value" gold on potions and stfu

[Zehn - Vhex]

Originally Posted by Cad

Apples vs. Oranges. using potions or not is a question of using something that has real value, consumables. Casting a heal spell or not is something else, especially when you're in range, you have mana, doing so would have resulted in a win, not doing so resulted in a loss. Play your character how you want, but play like a moron and expect to get shit for it.

Which is probably why they didn't heal you. I wouldn't either. You sound like every other fucking pug bitch I've grouped with who says, "LOL UR A PREEST U HEELZ!!! LOL!!!" Bitch please, when you invest 34+ talents in shadow, you're not a priest, you're a shadow monk. Thanks.

Anyways...

Doubt you'll see many, if any for that matter, smite/holy fire dps builds. It's just not practical. You give up the same healing talents as a shadow priest does and lose a big chunk of your effectiveness because you don't get the advantage of those sweet, juicy +shadow damage items, plus you lose out on the majority of things that make shadow so delicious like VE, weaving (5 stacked weaving + pain is a healthy chunk of debuffs to cure), silence, and shadow form.

Holy spells also get partial resists. When I get bored clearing MC I bust out the smite dps and it gets partial resists a fuckton more then you'd think a spell with 'no resist' would.

Honestly, I'd be more concerned about 3 priest/2 mage holy nova groups just raping the face of BG's then the 1.2k holy fire crit. Priest overpowered? Hardly. We're still second rate healers compared to Paladins and Druids and as others have pointed out, our DPS still pales to that of mages/warlocks.