Priest 1.10 PVP - Page 4

Wodin · 03-20-2006, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by frott

it is touch of weakness and is irrelevant.

Well unless you're a shadow priest, in which case it's an instant 5-stack shadow weaving as soon as a melee class touches you.

And Burning_Samurai - have you fought any well-geared Paladins who actually know how to use seals and trinkets effectively? The ret/holy paladin stunlock burst is actually pretty lethal these days. Two full-damage JoC's, four melee hits + possible command procs, and you never get to take an action.

Gnome Eater · 03-20-2006, 11:09 AM

That video was funny, but all it shows is the power of stacking consumables.

Using a 3 minute cooldown, with berserker, on a warrior who is intentionally damaging himself, with a darkmoon faire buff, does not make for realistic PvP. Any prest who uses power infusion on himself is a much of a waste as a druid who innervates himself.

frott · 03-20-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Wodin

Well unless you're a shadow priest, in which case it's an instant 5-stack shadow weaving as soon as a melee class touches you.

Yup. Just no bearing on the 4k + LOLHOLY

Yermum Onceme · 03-20-2006, 11:25 AM

I'd hate to play a shadowpriest in a bg with someone like cad. I spend most of my time being a heal bitch to an instance group, and when I finally decide to pvp (what I probably enjoy most since I specced shadow!) I'm told to knock that shit off and heal. I'll take a shield now and then and some dps over a flash heal, a few seconds of nobody attacking me, and then my priest releasing...

Oh and 2 rogues and a druid will rape the shit out of 2 non-shadowformed priests. They just need to learn how to relay the flag is all.

Qhue · 03-20-2006, 11:34 AM

Im sure it doesnt hurt that there is no such thing as Holy Resist anymore. Remember childrens that a couple years back there were five resists : Shadow, Fire, Frost, Nature and Holy. Arcane was the "resistanceless" mode of magical damage and much about the druid and mage arcane trees were predicated on this basic concept as were the Paladin and Priest Holy attacks.

Part of the reason why Arcane sucks ass and that Holy has some wacky useful situational areas is that the fundamental nature of the game was changed at the 11th hour and that resulting effect hasn't flowed down to all levels of the system.

Wodin · 03-20-2006, 11:41 AM

Smiting magic-immune undead in Strat is always amusing.

Cad · 03-20-2006, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Yermum Onceme

I'd hate to play a shadowpriest in a bg with someone like cad. I spend most of my time being a heal bitch to an instance group, and when I finally decide to pvp (what I probably enjoy most since I specced shadow!) I'm told to knock that shit off and heal. I'll take a shield now and then and some dps over a flash heal, a few seconds of nobody attacking me, and then my priest releasing...

Oh and 2 rogues and a druid will rape the shit out of 2 non-shadowformed priests. They just need to learn how to relay the flag is all.

Had they healed me even once, tossed me a renew, or even a PW:S, I would have lived and we probably would have capped the flag. They did NOTHING.

You're defending this?

Praetor · 03-20-2006, 11:52 AM

A lot of people seem to overlook the fact that relying on long-cast Holy spells for your DPS opens you up to castration via Counterspell/Kick/etc., since all your heals are in that same school too.

Since when does a semi-competent PvP group let a priest get off spells uninterrupted like that?

Dyscord · 03-20-2006, 12:24 PM

Yeah, the video must not have shown the typical pvp group I see, where I won't even get off a 3.5 starfire before the target is dead from rogue/warrior rapeage. I could crit for 3k with Starfire and not care 90% of the time.

Moontayle · 03-20-2006, 12:26 PM

I must run around with some massive anomolies to the system then. Both my wife and our only other priest in the guild are holy spec and both of them do their utmost to keep people standing up and doing damage. Granted, we're not at the 60s bracket yet, but healing at one bracket is much the same as healing in another, just there's more toys to work with and higher numbers flashing over your head.

Dyscord · 03-20-2006, 12:35 PM

Healing isn't the same per bracket. Once you hit the 60's bracket shit goes crazy. Its way more than just some level 29 rogue with +15 agi on both weapons. A fully geared AQ team will put up some damage numbers so high that'll e-rape you so hard your children will be pregnant.

The thing is, the toys and gear melees get allow them to dump more dps into you faster. Thats the key, faster. Sure, as a healer I've got a LOT more +healing than some new level 60. But I could have +1000 healing and it wouldn't make a damn of a difference. Why? It allows me to heal for more... not faster. Healing a target for 1 million doesn't mean jack shit if the target dies before it lands.

xilsharn · 03-20-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyscord

Healing a target for 1 million

I see you've been playing EQ lately.

Cad · 03-20-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Moontayle

I must run around with some massive anomolies to the system then. Both my wife and our only other priest in the guild are holy spec and both of them do their utmost to keep people standing up and doing damage. Granted, we're not at the 60s bracket yet, but healing at one bracket is much the same as healing in another, just there's more toys to work with and higher numbers flashing over your head.

I agree with Dyscord, just stop at 59 if you enjoy your pvp now. Shit goes nuts in the 60 bracket.

Lyenae · 03-20-2006, 01:30 PM

Nothing to see here. Another class gets revamped and becomes overpowered in PvP. Druid, Warlock, Warrior, Hunter, now Priest....

frott · 03-20-2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cad

Had they healed me even once, tossed me a renew, or even a PW:S, I would have lived and we probably would have capped the flag. They did NOTHING.

You're defending this?

You played with a shitty shadow priest. Do you think that just because the holy dps priests aren't in shadowform that they will heal you? No, because shad priests can cast shield. DPS holy priests, imo, will be the bottom of the fucking barrel. The build offers zero to raids or grouping except for LOLHOLYDPS. Someone building to maximize holy dps is just... meh. But the bitch/irony of it is that by maximizing holy dps they get faster greater heal built in. I wish shadow had that sort of doubling up.

I'm not going to get into the reasons why you weren't healed in a BG, but I can imagine.

03-20-2006, 11:41 AM	#51 (permalink)
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Praetor Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 427 +2 Internets	A lot of people seem to overlook the fact that relying on long-cast Holy spells for your DPS opens you up to castration via Counterspell/Kick/etc., since all your heals are in that same school too. Since when does a semi-competent PvP group let a priest get off spells uninterrupted like that? __________________ Gurgthock, Elitist Jerks (Mal'Ganis)

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03-20-2006, 11:09 AM	#47 (permalink)
Gnome Eater Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,227 +0 Internets	That video was funny, but all it shows is the power of stacking consumables. Using a 3 minute cooldown, with berserker, on a warrior who is intentionally damaging himself, with a darkmoon faire buff, does not make for realistic PvP. Any prest who uses power infusion on himself is a much of a waste as a druid who innervates himself.

03-20-2006, 11:25 AM	#49 (permalink)
Yermum Onceme Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PA Posts: 1,693 -1 Internets	I'd hate to play a shadowpriest in a bg with someone like cad. I spend most of my time being a heal bitch to an instance group, and when I finally decide to pvp (what I probably enjoy most since I specced shadow!) I'm told to knock that shit off and heal. I'll take a shield now and then and some dps over a flash heal, a few seconds of nobody attacking me, and then my priest releasing... Oh and 2 rogues and a druid will rape the shit out of 2 non-shadowformed priests. They just need to learn how to relay the flag is all.

03-20-2006, 11:34 AM	#50 (permalink)
Qhue Tunare's most surly gnome Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sunny Upstate NY Posts: 1,491	Im sure it doesnt hurt that there is no such thing as Holy Resist anymore. Remember childrens that a couple years back there were five resists : Shadow, Fire, Frost, Nature and Holy. Arcane was the "resistanceless" mode of magical damage and much about the druid and mage arcane trees were predicated on this basic concept as were the Paladin and Priest Holy attacks. Part of the reason why Arcane sucks ass and that Holy has some wacky useful situational areas is that the fundamental nature of the game was changed at the 11th hour and that resulting effect hasn't flowed down to all levels of the system.

03-20-2006, 12:24 PM	#54 (permalink)
Dyscord Harvey Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Command Carrier Posts: 2,180 +38 Internets	Yeah, the video must not have shown the typical pvp group I see, where I won't even get off a 3.5 starfire before the target is dead from rogue/warrior rapeage. I could crit for 3k with Starfire and not care 90% of the time.

03-20-2006, 12:26 PM	#55 (permalink)
Moontayle Brilliant! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,819	I must run around with some massive anomolies to the system then. Both my wife and our only other priest in the guild are holy spec and both of them do their utmost to keep people standing up and doing damage. Granted, we're not at the 60s bracket yet, but healing at one bracket is much the same as healing in another, just there's more toys to work with and higher numbers flashing over your head.

03-20-2006, 12:35 PM	#56 (permalink)
Dyscord Harvey Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Command Carrier Posts: 2,180 +38 Internets	Healing isn't the same per bracket. Once you hit the 60's bracket shit goes crazy. Its way more than just some level 29 rogue with +15 agi on both weapons. A fully geared AQ team will put up some damage numbers so high that'll e-rape you so hard your children will be pregnant. The thing is, the toys and gear melees get allow them to dump more dps into you faster. Thats the key, faster. Sure, as a healer I've got a LOT more +healing than some new level 60. But I could have +1000 healing and it wouldn't make a damn of a difference. Why? It allows me to heal for more... not faster. Healing a target for 1 million doesn't mean jack shit if the target dies before it lands.

03-20-2006, 01:30 PM	#59 (permalink)
Lyenae Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,664 -103 Internets	Nothing to see here. Another class gets revamped and becomes overpowered in PvP. Druid, Warlock, Warrior, Hunter, now Priest....