Priest 1.10 PVP - Page 3

Dyscord · 03-20-2006, 09:10 AM

If you group, you'll do fine by healing. Biggest problem in my opinion is healers best asset is their CC, not their heals. CC > Assist training. Assist training > healing. Basically there's no way in fuck you're going to heal someone through 6 assorted DPS classes raping one target. Only way to stop it is to crowd control em. Or add your own damage to the assist train in an attempt to make them all dead before you're all dead.

An even more horrifying thought, however, is if healing > assist training. Jesus christ pvp would last hours if that were to happen. Even after you run their healers oom or kill them, they'll be back in 30 seconds.

Nerf damage and nerf GY's imo.

Stragi · 03-20-2006, 09:11 AM

who thought this was a good idea?

Zest · 03-20-2006, 09:19 AM

What does it matter that he can heal?

If you 1-2 shot any opponent you face, when do you need to heal?

I rolled a ghetto mage just for PvP, and he just wears crappy blues. If AP is available I don't need to heal because I can simply kill people before they do enough damage to be worth healing.

Jubee · 03-20-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Stragi

who thought this was a good idea?

Priests, of course. While I'll be happy to have more priests out there, I don't look forward to the lack of heals I'll be receiving after these changes.

I wouldn't worry about it though. Warrior's got nerfed after the Fury kill rate video in beta. They got nerfed again after Pat's 52 talent point/4 healer gayness. The silver lining is out there. Priests will get nerfed into oblivion for the next 10 patches.

Cad · 03-20-2006, 09:24 AM

What does it matter that he can heal, indeed.

Flag carrier in WSG. (I am that guy). I'm a warrior. 2 priests with me. Both in shadowform. 2 rogues and a druid attack me from stealth. Priests start flaying/paining/blasting/whatever. We kill the 2 rogues, druid is on me and I have ~400hp left. Both priests continue dpsing, in shadowform. I die. Druid returns flag, Druid dies.

Me: "WTF why didn't one of you just heal me? We'd still have the flag!"

Shadow priest: "I don't heal"

Me: /afk

Plaeroma · 03-20-2006, 09:41 AM

The English language isn't capable of expressing the extent of this stupidity.

needraRZ · 03-20-2006, 09:52 AM

I'll preface this by saying that I'm a fully holy/disc specced priest, but theres some merrit in playing a shadow priest that 'doesnt heal' in battlegrounds.

Sure, if you want to blow people up be a Mage etc etc but.... as a shadow specced priest, you can get an instance group easily as the only healer, or join your friends on small raids as a main healer but then be a viable damage dealer in a battleground to have a bit of fun and do something other than spam flash heal.

Hoping 1.10 introduces more grey areas and varied builds, but when you spend 90% of your time watching bars and then pressing flash heal, its a nice go hit a BG sometimes and just kill people. Yes ok... sometimes its gonna be better to heal, it doesnt take much common sense to realise that you're going to be more effective healing a group but sometimes its just about having a bit of fun

Zest · 03-20-2006, 10:06 AM

If they were DPSing like this guy the Rogues and Druid would've been killed in 8 seconds or so.

If your Warrior can't survive for 8 seconds on their own, healing isn't going to save him.

Clericnon2boxed · 03-20-2006, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cad

What does it matter that he can heal, indeed.

Flag carrier in WSG. (I am that guy). I'm a warrior. 2 priests with me. Both in shadowform. 2 rogues and a druid attack me from stealth. Priests start flaying/paining/blasting/whatever. We kill the 2 rogues, druid is on me and I have ~400hp left. Both priests continue dpsing, in shadowform. I die. Druid returns flag, Druid dies.

Me: "WTF why didn't one of you just heal me? We'd still have the flag!"

Shadow priest: "I don't heal"

Me: /afk

hey now if both have the improved vamp embrace next time around (and use it) along with their dps you will have your healing ;-)

Esmo · 03-20-2006, 10:26 AM

fyi - not all of those spells were Smite.

Unless they've changed spell animations he was also using Holy Fire which has a higher base damage and receives more bonus from +dmg items.

And stop the whole "sky is falling" crap - the guy is completely epiced out. Your average priest in AV will still be lucky to get a 1k crit.

Cad · 03-20-2006, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Clericnon2boxed

hey now if both have the improved vamp embrace next time around (and use it) along with their dps you will have your healing ;-)

Only if they are in the same group, which is just another /fuckyou to shamans and their totems, priests and VE/PoH, druids and tranquility.. all useless in BG's unless you juggle groups constantly.

Burning_Samurai · 03-20-2006, 10:39 AM

Something is up with the last 2 nukes. He has like 5 buffs with the same icon in a row. What is he stacking? Might be unintended.

Congrats priests on leaving pallies as the only class that can't out damage a rogue in PvP.

frott · 03-20-2006, 10:41 AM

None of those spells were smite. He was spamming Holy fire.

holy fire is 4 sec cast (full benefit from +dmg gear). The 4k+ cast was on a berserk + stance warrior.

I can do more DPS than this in shadow gear, currently, on the live servers. The "and he can heal LOL" is bogus, as I can heal too but I lose 15% damage which would bring me to right about where he is. The new VE is gross amounts of healing as well, which happens while dpsing rather than instead of. It is probably only a little better than renew, however.

His spec has nearly 0 healing talents. It would be the same as bringing a shadow priest into a raid and having them only heal, except that he gets faster Gheals and can put infusion on someone who is dpsing.

The nutty thing to consider about this is that with 5% tohit gear, he will have a 0 resist rate on level 60s casting holy spells.

What is missing from this video is how fast he gets assraped after the trinkets/talents die down, especially if someone not-retarded is actually in melee distance of him, and his main DPS spell is now chained to his healing line of spells. Great for counter/kick.

He didn't have that much +dmg gear, actually. It was just the good stuff that gave him a decent manapool, notice how few holy novas he was able to get off in that bit, even though they were pounding folks.

The myopia of people when they see eyecandy is retarded. I can't wait till the patch is in so that people spec to "smite dps" with 0 healing talents and cry when they realize that a video taking the peaks and editing out the valleys is not representative of what actually usually happens.

So, yeah, watch out for those double trinket + oil + flask + potion holy damage priests in battlegrounds. /rolleyes

frott · 03-20-2006, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burning_Samurai

Something is up with the last 2 nukes. He has like 5 buffs with the same icon in a row. What is he stacking? Might be unintended.

Congrats priests on leaving pallies as the only class that can't out damage a rogue in PvP.

it is touch of weakness and is irrelevant.

frott · 03-20-2006, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esmo

fyi - not all of those spells were Smite.

Unless they've changed spell animations he was also using Holy Fire which has a higher base damage and receives more bonus from +dmg items.

And stop the whole "sky is falling" crap - the guy is completely epiced out. Your average priest in AV will still be lucky to get a 1k crit.

Heh, no. it is not that difficult to get more +dmg out of gear than him. His gear actually sacrifices damage to have more stats.

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03-20-2006, 09:10 AM	#31 (permalink)
Dyscord Harvey Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Command Carrier Posts: 2,180 +38 Internets	If you group, you'll do fine by healing. Biggest problem in my opinion is healers best asset is their CC, not their heals. CC > Assist training. Assist training > healing. Basically there's no way in fuck you're going to heal someone through 6 assorted DPS classes raping one target. Only way to stop it is to crowd control em. Or add your own damage to the assist train in an attempt to make them all dead before you're all dead. An even more horrifying thought, however, is if healing > assist training. Jesus christ pvp would last hours if that were to happen. Even after you run their healers oom or kill them, they'll be back in 30 seconds. Nerf damage and nerf GY's imo.

03-20-2006, 09:19 AM	#33 (permalink)
Zest Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 815	What does it matter that he can heal? If you 1-2 shot any opponent you face, when do you need to heal? I rolled a ghetto mage just for PvP, and he just wears crappy blues. If AP is available I don't need to heal because I can simply kill people before they do enough damage to be worth healing.

03-20-2006, 09:24 AM	#35 (permalink)
Cad Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 6,674 -37 Internets	What does it matter that he can heal, indeed. Flag carrier in WSG. (I am that guy). I'm a warrior. 2 priests with me. Both in shadowform. 2 rogues and a druid attack me from stealth. Priests start flaying/paining/blasting/whatever. We kill the 2 rogues, druid is on me and I have ~400hp left. Both priests continue dpsing, in shadowform. I die. Druid returns flag, Druid dies. Me: "WTF why didn't one of you just heal me? We'd still have the flag!" Shadow priest: "I don't heal" Me: /afk

03-20-2006, 09:41 AM	#36 (permalink)
Plaeroma Incompatible Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NC Posts: 659 +1 Internets	The English language isn't capable of expressing the extent of this stupidity.

03-20-2006, 09:52 AM	#37 (permalink)
needraRZ Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 197 -6 Internets	I'll preface this by saying that I'm a fully holy/disc specced priest, but theres some merrit in playing a shadow priest that 'doesnt heal' in battlegrounds. Sure, if you want to blow people up be a Mage etc etc but.... as a shadow specced priest, you can get an instance group easily as the only healer, or join your friends on small raids as a main healer but then be a viable damage dealer in a battleground to have a bit of fun and do something other than spam flash heal. Hoping 1.10 introduces more grey areas and varied builds, but when you spend 90% of your time watching bars and then pressing flash heal, its a nice go hit a BG sometimes and just kill people. Yes ok... sometimes its gonna be better to heal, it doesnt take much common sense to realise that you're going to be more effective healing a group but sometimes its just about having a bit of fun

03-20-2006, 10:06 AM	#38 (permalink)
Zest Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 815	If they were DPSing like this guy the Rogues and Druid would've been killed in 8 seconds or so. If your Warrior can't survive for 8 seconds on their own, healing isn't going to save him.

03-20-2006, 10:26 AM	#40 (permalink)
Esmo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 509 -2 Internets	fyi - not all of those spells were Smite. Unless they've changed spell animations he was also using Holy Fire which has a higher base damage and receives more bonus from +dmg items. And stop the whole "sky is falling" crap - the guy is completely epiced out. Your average priest in AV will still be lucky to get a 1k crit.

03-20-2006, 10:39 AM	#42 (permalink)
Burning_Samurai Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 504 +4 Internets	Something is up with the last 2 nukes. He has like 5 buffs with the same icon in a row. What is he stacking? Might be unintended. Congrats priests on leaving pallies as the only class that can't out damage a rogue in PvP.

03-20-2006, 10:41 AM	#43 (permalink)
frott Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,392 +0 Internets	None of those spells were smite. He was spamming Holy fire. holy fire is 4 sec cast (full benefit from +dmg gear). The 4k+ cast was on a berserk + stance warrior. I can do more DPS than this in shadow gear, currently, on the live servers. The "and he can heal LOL" is bogus, as I can heal too but I lose 15% damage which would bring me to right about where he is. The new VE is gross amounts of healing as well, which happens while dpsing rather than instead of. It is probably only a little better than renew, however. His spec has nearly 0 healing talents. It would be the same as bringing a shadow priest into a raid and having them only heal, except that he gets faster Gheals and can put infusion on someone who is dpsing. The nutty thing to consider about this is that with 5% tohit gear, he will have a 0 resist rate on level 60s casting holy spells. What is missing from this video is how fast he gets assraped after the trinkets/talents die down, especially if someone not-retarded is actually in melee distance of him, and his main DPS spell is now chained to his healing line of spells. Great for counter/kick. He didn't have that much +dmg gear, actually. It was just the good stuff that gave him a decent manapool, notice how few holy novas he was able to get off in that bit, even though they were pounding folks. The myopia of people when they see eyecandy is retarded. I can't wait till the patch is in so that people spec to "smite dps" with 0 healing talents and cry when they realize that a video taking the peaks and editing out the valleys is not representative of what actually usually happens. So, yeah, watch out for those double trinket + oil + flask + potion holy damage priests in battlegrounds. /rolleyes