Priest 1.10 PVP

[Cad]

Originally Posted by frott

Because the KILLER has the choice of who they're attacking.

The HEALER has no choice.

And, unfortunately, more times than not, the killers are not prioritizing the people killing you. Why's that? because they're too busy taking out the other team's weak link: the cloth healer.

Great dynamic.

And if they do, then what? Their healer will simply heal them. I can come start attacking the rogue attacking you, sure. Then his healer heals him. Then I keep attacking. Then you die. Then I die. Great idea right?

Or I can go kill his healer - after I'm done with that, I can come kill him. Assuming you and I are better than him and his healer, I'll kill his healer before he can kill you, then together we can wtfpwn your attacker.

"Defending the healer" is a losing game, because we're not doing the smart thing: KILLING THE HEALERS. I know it sucks to be the tank in PvP, but nothing your warrior can do will prevent that.

[frott]

Originally Posted by Big W Powah!

You know what? Having played a healer, Liz, I wouldn't expect them to walk on eggshells around me, nor should they have to around any healer.

Key fucking word: healer.

That means when you need to heal, you fucking heal. Can you do shit other than heal? By all fucking means, but you should always heal when you need to. Because, gasp, you're a fucking healer. That goes for shaman/Druid too. Don't be a heal bot, but also don't not heal, its that fucking simple.

You and your egotistical "I'm a healer don't piss me off" bullshit can drop to your knees and get a couple ounces of baby-batter from my maypole of meat, bitch.

Hey, that's your distinction. There are some times where I go into battlegrounds as a DPS class, and play straight shadow, only using heals for myself to bridge the gap between my durability / hps and classes with far more durability.

Drop a renew on yourself and then go into shadowform with VE and 600dps, and tell me that you "should" be healing someone else. No, there are cases where I really don't give a fuck if you live or not.

Sucks to have people utilizing team / flag based battlegrounds to get their "deathmatch" pvp fix, but I've personally lost track of the current reason why there is none...

[Zest]

Originally Posted by Cad

I followed plenty of warriors around healing them and earthshocking/purging priests/mages we were killing while dropping grounding/windfury/earthbind totems. Guess what, we fucking killed stuff. Did I do most of the damage? No. Did I get HK's just the same? yes. Is clicking "heal" less fun than clicking "nuke" ?

Why is it that whenever a Rogue/Warrior/Hunter comes out and says "omg I played a healer I know what it's like!!!" it turns out they were playing a Shaman?

[RunningDog]

Originally Posted by Cad

The situation we're talking about where the whiny pussies have come out of the woodwork I was on my warrior, carrying the flag in a 2-2 WSG game while they had our flag.

Yep that's one of those situations where a shield or heal is worth the effort. It depends how alive the healers are to what's going on around them.

What grates is the people who think having a healer in their group makes them immune to damage and every death is therefore the healer's fault. Like I said, for most classes your survival is a matter of your attackers being killed or switching targets, and until we see strings of 2k+ instant heals in PvP it's going to stay that way.

[Cad]

Originally Posted by Zest

Why is it that whenever a Rogue/Warrior/Hunter comes out and says "omg I played a healer I know what it's like!!!" it turns out they were playing a Shaman?

Nobody made you click priest. My shaman was my first level 60. I'm not a "rogue/warrior/hunter" coming out, I was a shaman first. I had 30 points in resto, because unlike you whiney faggots, I realized I was a healer.

I stopped playing my shaman because nobody takes shamans seriously as healers despite me having 6800 unbuffed mana, +250 healing, blah blah blah. (Which is pretty good for a shaman).

I mean seriously.. if you don't like your class, wtf are you doing? What changes would you like to see to priests so that you'd play your class and not cry about it? What do you want that would make you happy?

[frott]

Originally Posted by Cad

And if they do, then what? Their healer will simply heal them. I can come start attacking the rogue attacking you, sure. Then his healer heals him. Then I keep attacking. Then you die. Then I die. Great idea right?

Or I can go kill his healer - after I'm done with that, I can come kill him. Assuming you and I are better than him and his healer, I'll kill his healer before he can kill you, then together we can wtfpwn your attacker.

"Defending the healer" is a losing game, because we're not doing the smart thing: KILLING THE HEALERS. I know it sucks to be the tank in PvP, but nothing your warrior can do will prevent that.

I dunno, I was responding to your bit about why the attackers aren't considered the "bot" and I gave you the reason, and now we're on this tangent.

[Cad]

Originally Posted by frott

I dunno, I was responding to your bit about why the attackers aren't considered the "bot" and I gave you the reason, and now we're on this tangent.

I was responding to:

Originally Posted by frott

And, unfortunately, more times than not, the killers are not prioritizing the people killing you. Why's that? because they're too busy taking out the other team's weak link: the cloth healer.

The healers seem to cry that warriors/rogues/hunters aren't their personal bodyguards. Doing that is NOT productive. The other team is killing the healer for a reason, as we are trying to kill theirs.

[RunningDog]

Originally Posted by Cad

I was responding to:

The healers seem to cry that warriors/rogues/hunters aren't their personal bodyguards. Doing that is NOT productive. The other team is killing the healer for a reason, as we are trying to kill theirs.

You're onto something here - protecting a healer is not productive...

[Kaxmax]

Originally Posted by Cad

I mean seriously.. if you don't like your class, wtf are you doing? What changes would you like to see to priests so that you'd play your class and not cry about it? What do you want that would make you happy?

Honestly, who's the unhappy one in your WSG example? I'm sure the priest was perfectly happy being an OMG I MELT FACES shadowpriest; the only unhappy person was you, because he wasn't healing you and wasn't playing how you thought he should.

[frott]

Originally Posted by Cad

I was responding to:



The healers seem to cry that warriors/rogues/hunters aren't their personal bodyguards. Doing that is NOT productive. The other team is killing the healer for a reason, as we are trying to kill theirs.

Of course healers who have marginally low survivability will cry when other classes who have more feel like they have little or no responsibility for keeping us up. I will contend that good teams can successfully handle/prioritize those threats to the healers while handling the other team's healers. But seriously, how frequent is that without some serious gear (or skill) mismatches? We've all been in the matches where everyone LOL KILL TEH FEARAL BEAR DROUID!!! while the healers just keep them up easily...

I don't disagree with anything about that: do you agree that it is a RETARDED game dynamic? It seems so obvious that the "omg healers" that you're griping about don't want to play the "get assraped first" class with nearly zero preventative healing power.

Please don't talk about shaman and your earthshock, binding and grounding totems as being a pure healer... it is comical.

"Then why'd you roll a healer?" is a bullshit copout, especially when you can't refer to any game where the pure support class was so extremely pussy. On alliance especially, we have a case of hybriditis... hi there, paladin with far, far, far, far more utility than priest in PVP due to their lopsided cocksuckery of their parent warrior class.

Who the fuck knows to what or how WoW is balanced anymore. It sure as shit isn't zero sum when comparing healing power versus burst dps power. I don't think giving someone lolholy dps and taking trinkets off separate cooldowns is really the answer.

[Zest]

Originally Posted by Cad

And if they do, then what? Their healer will simply heal them. I can come start attacking the rogue attacking you, sure. Then his healer heals him. Then I keep attacking. Then you die. Then I die. Great idea right?

Or I can go kill his healer - after I'm done with that, I can come kill him. Assuming you and I are better than him and his healer, I'll kill his healer before he can kill you, then together we can wtfpwn your attacker.

"Defending the healer" is a losing game, because we're not doing the smart thing: KILLING THE HEALERS. I know it sucks to be the tank in PvP, but nothing your warrior can do will prevent that.

You don't realise it, but you've just justified every Priest that plays in Shadowform. In this 2 on 2 situation, if the teams are equally geared and skilled, then the team with the Shadowform Priest will almost certainly win.

[Cad]

Originally Posted by Kaxmax

Honestly, who's the unhappy one in your WSG example? I'm sure the priest was perfectly happy being an OMG I MELT FACES shadowpriest; the only unhappy person in was you, because he wasn't healing you and wasn't playing how you thought he should.

Uhh, we both lost. I had 3X the killing blows as he did. If he's happy being a shitty dps class while screwing the team, I hope he gets hit by a bus tomorrow.

[Cad]

frott, yes it's a stupid game dynamic. agree 100%. Not arguing that at all.

[Kaxmax]

Originally Posted by Cad

Uhh, we both lost. I had 3X the killing blows as he did. If he's happy being a shitty dps class while screwing the team, I hope he gets hit by a bus tomorrow.

That's fine, but you asked what it would take to make a priest happy. The priest in your example was probably having a good time. There's your answer.

[Cad]

Originally Posted by Kaxmax

That's fine, but you asked what it would take to make a priest happy. The priest in your example was probably having a good time. There's your answer.

So why didn't he roll a mage or warlock if thats how he gets his jollies?