Priest 1.10 PVP - Page 10

Cad · 03-21-2006, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by thenipple2000

I agree with Cad. Those fucking priests should have thrown the PWS. But seriously, why does everyone insist that priests heal and only heal in PVP? After staring at green bars all day, rubbing off one after another to flash heal, I want to play with the other spells that I get along with those healing spells.

Absolutely, I'd never get mad at a priest for dps'ing in most circumstances, after all we rez in 30 seconds, it's not like if I die it's the end of the world. If it's a close battle for a contested node, you're defending a flag carrier, or you're making that final push into the relief hut and your warrior has aggro on 6 guards and 2 horde ... heal him! Don't be a dipshit. Heal when it would help out alot, dps otherwise.

What I'm pissed about is priests that think they're somehow "cool" for not healing at all. I had a guildie of mine who was a field marshal shadow priest in AV actually ask in /1 if there was anybody who wanted to be HIS pocket healer.

Gnome Eater · 03-21-2006, 08:59 AM

Noone is aruing that those priests weren't retards - they should have at the very least PW:S you. In a serious BG with guildmates or a raid, I'd be the first person to chew out someone who refused to heal 'because it wasn't fun' - but if someone is in a BG to unwind, and chooses to solo and melt some faces, jesus let the man have some fun, whydontcha? As I mentioned, already most of my guilds main priests have rogue or warlock alts they use to PvP since whenever they PvP as their main people already expect them to follow them around heal botting.

Cad · 03-21-2006, 09:01 AM

So we agree then. People in PuG's expecting PuG priests to be their healbots = stupid. PuG priests not healing at all even when it would help out alot = stupid.

PuG priests doing what it takes to win the game and having fun melting faces = smart. We agree?

Algol Devilstar · 03-21-2006, 09:56 AM

I hate it when people say this, but I might as well be "First!" This thread is rickshaw material.

Schatze · 03-21-2006, 10:52 AM

Haha no one is trying to make you their slave, get over yourselves. People expect others to put in as much effort as possible to win. If you don't, you're no different than anyone else who is a shitty player, all this whining and humm-hawwing aside. People are not telling priests to fellate them, or to wash their car or mow their lawn, but to actually do their part. Like, heal someone if they're running the flag (and yes you were arguing the previous poster was wrong to expect heals or shields, don't try that revisionist crap).

And you know something? Most pugs aren't as horrible as people think. Why PUGs lose is because clueless fucktards like in this thread all decide "hey I can't rely on anyone else, I'm going to farm HKs like a moron." We need John Nash to come into this thread and throw down with some game theory.

Anyways, after I got GM I was able to maintain a 90%~ win rate when pugging. Not because I'm omigodsoleet, but because from second one of the BG I acted like we were going to win. The fact that I was a former GM and well known made people believe it. I was able to get most people to stop fucking farming HKs and actually put some effort in and to go for objectives. Most games I could get everyone going in the right direction. THe only games I lost was versus a team that clearly outclassed ours (which was rare), or in games where people were especially retarded and wouldn't cooperate no matter what I did. Oh, and I wasn't afraid to kick someone if they wouldn't play their part to some extent, to the best of their ability. Or to then make them waste their time by killing all their tagged kills and letting dr do the rest

Any good player can do the above. And any idiot can refuse to do their job. And from my experience, when we get idiot priests like in this thread, that's one of the primary signals for everyone to throw in the towel. Like it or lump it, most players see priests as something special (or "special", on a case by case basis). Again, it's not that you don't heal because you get stuck with shitty teams, but you get stuck with shitty teams because you don't heal.

edit: and cut the "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND" crap. This isn't Livejournal and we're not your daddies.

BirgittePovar · 03-21-2006, 11:01 AM

Man I love message boards.

Where else in communication would "Healing is a good idea when there is no better action" be argued with as if it said "If you don't Heal 100% of the time you are an utter moron"?

Duppin · 03-21-2006, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BirgittePovar

Man I love message boards.

Where else in communication would "Healing is a good idea when there is no better action" be argued with as if it said "If you don't Heal 100% of the time you are an utter moron"?

You're kidding, right? Straw men and bifurcation have been around in argumentation long before the internet had even been thought of.

To the meat of the thread: sure, you have to make allowances for priests wanting to have more fun in BGs, due to the utterly boring whack-a-mole game that is playing a raid healer.

But you can't stubbornly, and CONSISTENTLY, refuse to heal when it's clearly the most effective thing for the success of your team, just to be cool and melt faces.

Arbitrary · 03-21-2006, 11:13 AM

"Fuck Dwarves and that Fear Ward bullshit. That isn't going to help melt faces like The Human Spirit. Spiritual Guidance FTW"

Chilling.

Big W Powah! · 03-21-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Divinefactor

pay my salary and I will do what you usk, till then, go join cad and everyone else who thinks they get to tell people what they can do and go tell each other what to do, i am sure you will all get along really well

edit: spelling sorta

OKAY, Lets review this REALLY carefully--YOu have Skills A, B, and C, when you use all of these skills, you are a complete class and being played to the fullest of your ability. Now, because A and B aren't as fun as C, does taht mean that when its most beneficial to use them, that you shouldn't?..No, it doesn,t because you're a moron.

GO SUCK OFF FUROR AND SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Arbitrary · 03-21-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Big W Powah!

Now, because A and B aren't as fun as C, does that mean that when its most beneficial to use them, that you shouldn't?..No, it doesn,t because you're a moron.

So you expect people to play in such a way that is not the most fun? I am sympathetic to the cause, but that isn't a great way to put it.

This is the situation I am in right now on my server, I just want to have a full BG. That's it. I'll take Feral Druids who stay a cat the entire fucking time if that means that we have max players. I'll even take a chinese farmer on a coffee break.

Big W Powah! · 03-21-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Arbitrary

So you expect people to play in such a way that is not the most fun? I am sympathetic to the cause, but that isn't a great way to put it.

This is the situation I am in right now on my server, I just want to have a full BG. That's it. I'll take Feral Druids who stay a cat the entire fucking time if that means that we have max players. I'll even take a chinese farmer on a coffee break.

You're god damn fucking right I expect people to cast a spell that doesn't make them cream their pants on a giant crit when its expected.

If you DO NOT USE ALL OF YOUR TOOLS YOU ARE HADICAPPING YOU AND EVERYONE ON YOUR TEAM. its that fucking simple. Have fun dpsing? Fine. Have all your fun, but don't neglect the less fun things just because they could help people. After all, you rolled a HEALER class, fucking heal.

Its that simple. Use everything at your disposal and you're a good player, even if casting that spell and regenning for 30 seconds isn't the acsolute most fun you can have.

Rythonn · 03-21-2006, 01:54 PM

This is why I refuse to bring my holy/disc priest to BGs. I don't want to heal all day long. I like healing and I like acomplishing a goal BUT, I was also given spells that do damage and would like a chance to use them other then leveling up. So I rolled a rogue for pvp.

WarderX · 03-21-2006, 01:57 PM

This thread is pretty entertaining. God bless us everybody.

Arbitrary · 03-21-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Big W Powah!

You're god damn fucking right I expect people to cast a spell that doesn't make them cream their pants on a giant crit when its expected.

Then this aspect of World of Warcraft is going to piss you off the entire time that you play the game.

Embrace the idea that your fellow players are only interested in maximizing their own happiness and it will free you.

GrobbeeTrull · 03-21-2006, 04:06 PM

The more you rag on priests to play how you want them to play instead of how they want to play, the quicker you'll find yourself priestless.

Sure, a few priests actually enjoy healing in BG's and whatnot. But most probably don't. You keep on their ass day in and out about it, and guess who stops showing up.

Then it's YOU who fucked the team, not them. Because your ego couldn't handle letting someone just chill the fuck out for a few minutes of the day.

03-21-2006, 10:52 AM	#140 (permalink)
Schatze Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,618 -3 Internets	Haha no one is trying to make you their slave, get over yourselves. People expect others to put in as much effort as possible to win. If you don't, you're no different than anyone else who is a shitty player, all this whining and humm-hawwing aside. People are not telling priests to fellate them, or to wash their car or mow their lawn, but to actually do their part. Like, heal someone if they're running the flag (and yes you were arguing the previous poster was wrong to expect heals or shields, don't try that revisionist crap). And you know something? Most pugs aren't as horrible as people think. Why PUGs lose is because clueless fucktards like in this thread all decide "hey I can't rely on anyone else, I'm going to farm HKs like a moron." We need John Nash to come into this thread and throw down with some game theory. Anyways, after I got GM I was able to maintain a 90%~ win rate when pugging. Not because I'm omigodsoleet, but because from second one of the BG I acted like we were going to win. The fact that I was a former GM and well known made people believe it. I was able to get most people to stop fucking farming HKs and actually put some effort in and to go for objectives. Most games I could get everyone going in the right direction. THe only games I lost was versus a team that clearly outclassed ours (which was rare), or in games where people were especially retarded and wouldn't cooperate no matter what I did. Oh, and I wasn't afraid to kick someone if they wouldn't play their part to some extent, to the best of their ability. Or to then make them waste their time by killing all their tagged kills and letting dr do the rest Any good player can do the above. And any idiot can refuse to do their job. And from my experience, when we get idiot priests like in this thread, that's one of the primary signals for everyone to throw in the towel. Like it or lump it, most players see priests as something special (or "special", on a case by case basis). Again, it's not that you don't heal because you get stuck with shitty teams, but you get stuck with shitty teams because you don't heal. edit: and cut the "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND" crap. This isn't Livejournal and we're not your daddies. Last edited by Schatze; 03-21-2006 at 11:22 AM..

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03-21-2006, 08:59 AM	#137 (permalink)
Gnome Eater Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,227 +0 Internets	Noone is aruing that those priests weren't retards - they should have at the very least PW:S you. In a serious BG with guildmates or a raid, I'd be the first person to chew out someone who refused to heal 'because it wasn't fun' - but if someone is in a BG to unwind, and chooses to solo and melt some faces, jesus let the man have some fun, whydontcha? As I mentioned, already most of my guilds main priests have rogue or warlock alts they use to PvP since whenever they PvP as their main people already expect them to follow them around heal botting.

03-21-2006, 09:01 AM	#138 (permalink)
Cad Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 6,674 -37 Internets	So we agree then. People in PuG's expecting PuG priests to be their healbots = stupid. PuG priests not healing at all even when it would help out alot = stupid. PuG priests doing what it takes to win the game and having fun melting faces = smart. We agree?

03-21-2006, 11:01 AM	#141 (permalink)
BirgittePovar Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 692 -1 Internets	Man I love message boards. Where else in communication would "Healing is a good idea when there is no better action" be argued with as if it said "If you don't Heal 100% of the time you are an utter moron"?

03-21-2006, 01:54 PM	#147 (permalink)
Rythonn Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,707	This is why I refuse to bring my holy/disc priest to BGs. I don't want to heal all day long. I like healing and I like acomplishing a goal BUT, I was also given spells that do damage and would like a chance to use them other then leveling up. So I rolled a rogue for pvp.

03-21-2006, 01:57 PM	#148 (permalink)
WarderX Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,593 +2 Internets	This thread is pretty entertaining. God bless us everybody.

03-21-2006, 04:06 PM	#150 (permalink)
GrobbeeTrull Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Springfield, Ohio Posts: 1,685 +0 Internets	The more you rag on priests to play how you want them to play instead of how they want to play, the quicker you'll find yourself priestless. Sure, a few priests actually enjoy healing in BG's and whatnot. But most probably don't. You keep on their ass day in and out about it, and guess who stops showing up. Then it's YOU who fucked the team, not them. Because your ego couldn't handle letting someone just chill the fuck out for a few minutes of the day.