Guild Loyalty

Warrian · 02-28-2006, 07:35 AM

I just wanted to get a general opinion from everyone about guild loyalty. Lately, my guild has been having loyalty issues with people releasing strats to other people on the server. To me, it seems clinically insane to compress over 8 hours of information farming into 5 mins and post it in someone's chat window. We have no idea who it is, and it's starting to piss me off. Has anyone else had this problem before, if so, how did you handle it? Was it resolved? Rickshaw this if you want, but I had to get this out in the open for a general opinion.

Magnum PI · 02-28-2006, 07:40 AM

I never cared about someone from my guilds giving out strats since they wouldn't have the strat in the first place if our guild handn't gotten the combat mechanics down pat. So once we learned to "own the zone" we could come back and farm it at will. If they release the strat after your guild has geared up I wouldn't care, but if they released it before you geared up then you have competition for the zone and that would piss me off since my time is a preimum.

Warrian · 02-28-2006, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc

I never cared about someone from my guilds giving out strats since they wouldn't have the strat in the first place if our guild handn't gotten the combat mechanics down pat. So once we learned to "own the zone" we could come back and farm it at will. If they release the strat after your guild has geared up I wouldn't care, but if they released it before you geared up then you have competition for the zone and that would piss me off since my time is a preimum.

The strat was for a boss that no one has killed yet. We should have him down on our next AQ cycle if everything goes to plan. But yes, I agree, if it's somewhere where we're already geared up (And chances are so are many other guilds), I really wouldn't care.

AngryDwarf · 02-28-2006, 07:46 AM

Who cares? Server firsts and what not are completely meaningless thanks to instanced content.

Dynalisia · 02-28-2006, 07:46 AM

The spoiler plague in this game in general is something I dislike a lot, especially since only handful of guilds (mostly MMO-vet guilds it seems, but neither that is any guarantee at all ofc) seem to be interested in keeping some intregrity and finding out shit on their own. Even in our own guild, we constantly have to slap the 'non-MMO vet' people around to prevent them from putting spoilers and movies just about anywhere. Our officers seem to be getting very adept at distinguishing 'suggestions' from suggestions during the figuring out phase of an encounter though, and theres quite a few red and swollen fingers among people in our guild.

I'm not sure how it was on your EQ server, but the use of spoilers wasn't near as widespread back then as it is on my current wow server. At the moment, we've actually seen anonymous screenshots that unrevokeably prove high-profile guilds on my server have used spoilers not only to gain time on finding out how abilities work and can be countered, but also on things like getting a headstart on farming for shit because KNEW about an encounter way beforehand, while the rest of us was still saying "well it's likely AQ will require some of this and that, but probably not anymore than we've seen till now in comparable scenarios".
Some members of those guilds actually go as far as to redicule us and other guilds for our 'slow' progress, which must be the dumbest thing ever if you know your guild is up to their neck in shit.

Soygen · 02-28-2006, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by AngryDwarf

Who cares? Server firsts and what not are completely meaningless thanks to instanced content.

Actually, I would say that server firsts speak much more of a guild because of instanced content.

Cor · 02-28-2006, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Warrian

The strat was for a boss that no one has killed yet. We should have him down on our next AQ cycle if everything goes to plan. But yes, I agree, if it's somewhere where we're already geared up (And chances are so are many other guilds), I really wouldn't care.

I'm guessing this is about the Viscidious post that is on the R&D forums?

Warrian · 02-28-2006, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AngryDwarf

Who cares? Server firsts and what not are completely meaningless thanks to instanced content.

You are totally missing the point. The point is we spend countless hours figuring stuff out, only for it to be passed out to someone so they can learn the encounter in 15 minutes. If you can't grasp this concent, I suggest you staying the fuck out of my thread if you have nothing constructive to post, shithead.

Warrian · 02-28-2006, 07:52 AM

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Utnayan · 02-28-2006, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Warrian

You are totally missing the point. The point is we spend countless hours figuring stuff out, only for it to be passed out to someone so they can learn the encounter in 15 minutes.

Welcome to gaming?

This is going to happen all the time. Some sooner, some later.

Szlia · 02-28-2006, 07:54 AM

Think of the bright side: when you will mine people from this guild they will allready be familiar with your strats!

More seriously, sharing strats is not really an issue when everything is instanced. Still, I am not sure why someone from your guild would give out some info to another guild about a mob you have yet to defeat at the risk of losing braging rights to them. Sounds silly more than deloyal, he is jeopardizing his own feeling of accomplishement.

Warrian · 02-28-2006, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Szlia

Think of the bright side: when you will mine people from this guild they will allready be familiar with your strats!

More seriously, sharing strats is not really an issue when everything is instanced. Still, I am not sure why someone from your guild would give out some info to another guild about a mob you have yet to defeat at the risk of losing braging rights to them. Sounds silly more than deloyal, he is jeopardizing his own feeling of accomplishement.

It just occurs to me that someone has to be clinically insane to release this info where they spent 8+ hours of their IRL time to learn.

Valorale · 02-28-2006, 07:57 AM

This was certainly a bigger deal in EQ than in WoW as mobs in EQ until Plane of Time were all contested, you leaked information you were essentially giving up loot to your competitor.

But thats raiding in World of Warcraft. Everything is instanced so everyone and their mom gets a chance to take a shot at the bigboys at their leisure. With so many guild that can clear BWL half asleep and many more clear MC just to gear up their alts, people often times can guildhop/sharw strats with few consequences especially if you are a desired class.

leane · 02-28-2006, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Szlia

More seriously, sharing strats is not really an issue when everything is instanced. Still, I am not sure why someone from your guild would give out some info to another guild about a mob you have yet to defeat at the risk of losing braging rights to them. Sounds silly more than deloyal, he is jeopardizing his own feeling of accomplishement.

I think its the whole "Look at me I'm totally uber heres how I did it! praise me!" attitude. Like with Blogs and podcasts that everybody does because they want the attention, not because they have anything meaningful to actually bring to the human race.

Cad · 02-28-2006, 07:59 AM

In WoW it really doesn't affect you aside from a guild competition standpoint.. which alot of members probably aren't inclined to care about since they may or may not have as much invested in the guild as you do. I wouldn't actively give out strats for something we spent alot of time learning though. That does seem wrong.

02-28-2006, 07:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
Warrian crushin' them guts Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: VA Posts: 878 -27 Internets	Guild Loyalty I just wanted to get a general opinion from everyone about guild loyalty. Lately, my guild has been having loyalty issues with people releasing strats to other people on the server. To me, it seems clinically insane to compress over 8 hours of information farming into 5 mins and post it in someone's chat window. We have no idea who it is, and it's starting to piss me off. Has anyone else had this problem before, if so, how did you handle it? Was it resolved? Rickshaw this if you want, but I had to get this out in the open for a general opinion. __________________ Warrian Retired. Last edited by Warrian : 02-28-2006 at 07:42 AM.

02-28-2006, 07:46 AM	#5 (permalink)
Dynalisia Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The land of sunshine Posts: 1,480 -4 Internets	The spoiler plague in this game in general is something I dislike a lot, especially since only handful of guilds (mostly MMO-vet guilds it seems, but neither that is any guarantee at all ofc) seem to be interested in keeping some intregrity and finding out shit on their own. Even in our own guild, we constantly have to slap the 'non-MMO vet' people around to prevent them from putting spoilers and movies just about anywhere. Our officers seem to be getting very adept at distinguishing 'suggestions' from suggestions during the figuring out phase of an encounter though, and theres quite a few red and swollen fingers among people in our guild. I'm not sure how it was on your EQ server, but the use of spoilers wasn't near as widespread back then as it is on my current wow server. At the moment, we've actually seen anonymous screenshots that unrevokeably prove high-profile guilds on my server have used spoilers not only to gain time on finding out how abilities work and can be countered, but also on things like getting a headstart on farming for shit because KNEW about an encounter way beforehand, while the rest of us was still saying "well it's likely AQ will require some of this and that, but probably not anymore than we've seen till now in comparable scenarios". Some members of those guilds actually go as far as to redicule us and other guilds for our 'slow' progress, which must be the dumbest thing ever if you know your guild is up to their neck in shit. Last edited by Dynalisia : 02-28-2006 at 07:48 AM.

02-28-2006, 07:52 AM	#9 (permalink)
Warrian crushin' them guts Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: VA Posts: 878 -27 Internets	-deleted- __________________ Warrian Retired.

02-28-2006, 07:54 AM	#11 (permalink)
Szlia Conquest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 4,673 +9 Internets	Think of the bright side: when you will mine people from this guild they will allready be familiar with your strats! More seriously, sharing strats is not really an issue when everything is instanced. Still, I am not sure why someone from your guild would give out some info to another guild about a mob you have yet to defeat at the risk of losing braging rights to them. Sounds silly more than deloyal, he is jeopardizing his own feeling of accomplishement. __________________ -retrosabotage-

02-28-2006, 07:57 AM	#13 (permalink)
Valorale Not an 05 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 230 +0 Internets	This was certainly a bigger deal in EQ than in WoW as mobs in EQ until Plane of Time were all contested, you leaked information you were essentially giving up loot to your competitor. But thats raiding in World of Warcraft. Everything is instanced so everyone and their mom gets a chance to take a shot at the bigboys at their leisure. With so many guild that can clear BWL half asleep and many more clear MC just to gear up their alts, people often times can guildhop/sharw strats with few consequences especially if you are a desired class. __________________ Valorale - 70 Rogue - Medivh Vindikael - 70 Ranger - Bertoxx Retired

02-28-2006, 07:40 AM	#2 (permalink)
Magnum PI Closing in on Makata Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,180 -28 Internets	I never cared about someone from my guilds giving out strats since they wouldn't have the strat in the first place if our guild handn't gotten the combat mechanics down pat. So once we learned to "own the zone" we could come back and farm it at will. If they release the strat after your guild has geared up I wouldn't care, but if they released it before you geared up then you have competition for the zone and that would piss me off since my time is a preimum.

02-28-2006, 07:59 AM	#15 (permalink)
Cad Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,279	In WoW it really doesn't affect you aside from a guild competition standpoint.. which alot of members probably aren't inclined to care about since they may or may not have as much invested in the guild as you do. I wouldn't actively give out strats for something we spent alot of time learning though. That does seem wrong.

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