WoW Dev Chat

Rythonn · 12-19-2005, 09:06 PM

http://vnboards.ign.com/wow_general_...93834212/p1/?6

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Teleios - I would like to ask why priests didn't get a new rank of flash heal in 1.9?, seeing as all other classes get new offensive spells/abilities, flash heal is really the only heal used in pvp because it could keep up with the damage. How is priest healing going to be affected with the new ranks of offensive capabilities but no new rank flash 'pvp' heal?

Kalgan - We certainly plan to look into improving some of the slower heals (probably by making some of them "less slow", particularly greater heal).

Kalgan - However, we didn't really choose which spell to add a new rank of arbitrarily.

Tigole - even though kalgan just typed that, he said "learn to play" out loud...

Kalgan - We actually did it based more on which spells hadn't gotten a replacement in a long time.

Tigole - *ouch* i just got kicked again

Kalgan - For example, certain spells hadn't gotten replacements since level 54 or so, which made them a little weak at level 60.

Kalgan - Those are the spells that we primarily targeted for new ranks.

Kalgan - Not just "hmm which spells do players use the most, and how do we make them much better so it guarantees they never use anything but those spells!"

Kalgan has gotten better at speaking from his ass(200)!

Flash Heal - lvl 56
Renew - lvl 56
Greater Heal - lvl 58
Prayer of Healing - lvl 60

New ranks in AQ...
Renew
Greater Heal
Prayer of Healing

Allow me to repeat Kalgan

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certain spells hadn't gotten replacements since level 54 or so, which made them a little weak at level 60.

You mean like Flash heal that heals 1200 on a 10k+ hp tank ? This guy is clueless. At least they plan on "probably" making the slower spells less slow. Maybe they can add a new 3 set piece bonus like the -.1 second to flash heal.

DJk_zero · 12-19-2005, 09:09 PM

Anyone else get scared with every use of the word "cool" ?

Cool new warrior changes!

James · 12-19-2005, 09:18 PM

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Tigole - even though kalgan just typed that, he said "learn to play" out loud...

That settles it. Kalgan started Vietnam on a lost bet.

Thorbadin · 12-19-2005, 09:27 PM

You guys really need to think a bit more like devs to understand why they say things like that.

To me, it's crystal and probably what I would have done but maybe that's because I'm also a part time game developper I guess.

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Flash Heal - lvl 56
Renew - lvl 56
Greater Heal - lvl 58
Prayer of Healing - lvl 60

New ranks in AQ...
Renew
Greater Heal
Prayer of Healing

He also give you the answer but you refuse to see it.

Devs want diversity. If you tell them that all you are doing is using flash heal, a dev will look at this and say well this suck and must be boring. So next time he can upgrade the spells, he take all the one that are underused and boost them to hopefully diversify them more. So players look at this and say WTF, this suck because the only spell I use is flash heal so I want a better flash heal! When you look at things from a game perspective instead of a me me me player perspective stuff become alot more clear.

Thorb
www.starsonata.com

Dyscord · 12-19-2005, 09:28 PM

I really hope they do something about the big slow heals. Greater heal and druid healing touch are pretty useless in their current form. To big, to slow, to mana costly. Just load up on the +healing gear and cast faster, less mana costly lower ranks. I do 1000 heal in 2.5 seconds for 180 mana. With the amount of heal spam being tossed around, anyone using 3k heals is doing some serious overheal.

Tasso · 12-19-2005, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DJk_zero

Anyone else get scared with every use of the word "cool" ?

Cool new warrior changes!

No no no. It was not cool.. It was "Awesome" new warrior changes

So cool must be 1/2 as many nerfs

Dyvim · 12-19-2005, 09:31 PM

The awesome warrior changes were indeed quite good for the class, the first implementation just had some serious oversights that took a couple of months to get sorted out.

Cad · 12-19-2005, 09:32 PM

When they answered the meat & potatoes questions I thought they were pretty straightforward.. they said there would be a new armor set that you could get in 5-mans, although no word on rare/epic or ilvls mentioned obviously. I'd venture to say it'll be a blue level 70 or so set, which means it'll be worse than molten core gear. I also doubt it'll be an 8-peice set, probably 6 like the pvp set. Thats just the pessimistic side of me talking, could be awesome.

On the other hand they didn't start for 15 minutes into the hour, there were several uncomfortable 5 minute silences, and they answered questions like "whats the lore behind the black morass" and "when can I get that feeling from the deadmines back" basically total fluff questions that wasted alot of time. Mages got told they aren't getting any major changes so suck it up, and Kalgan revealed how little he knows when he said they went off of which spells hadn't had a new rank in a while (which is true for priests, but untrue for nearly every other class).

So they didn't give us totally nothing, but it wasn't as much as I'd hoped. Not a complete waste of time, but they did skirt some questions. There was a question about how every class was required besides warriors, how you really cannot do the raid instances without a warrior. He skirted that by saying "we design it for every class to be required, not just the warrior" .. he either completely missed the point or deliberately didn't answer the question.

Rythonn · 12-19-2005, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Thorbadin

He also give you the answer but you refuse to see it.

Devs want diversity. If you tell them that all you are doing is using flash heal, a dev will look at this and say well this suck and must be boring. So next time he can upgrade the spells, he take all the one that are underused and boost them to hopefully diversify them more. So players look at this and say WTF, this suck because the only spell I use is flash heal so I want a better flash heal! When you look at things from a game perspective instead of a me me me player perspective stuff become alot more clear.

Thorb
www.starsonata.com

Which is GREAT but the reason people DONT use greater heal is because it takes too long so putting in a new rank that heals for more with the same casting time isn't helping. AND!!!!!!!!! If this is true then why bring up a clearly bullshit answer?

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certain spells hadn't gotten replacements since level 54 or so, which made them a little weak at level 60.

The guy is flat out lying! Have you seen the new ranks for all the classes? New Backstab rank yet it has a lvl 60 rank. If you want to upgrade other spell then fine but don't lie to us and talk out your ass about shit that just isn't true.

DJk_zero · 12-19-2005, 09:34 PM

I'm not talking about the awesome changes of beta, i'm talking about the cool new stuff they've given us since. KOOL with a K.

Thorbadin · 12-19-2005, 09:53 PM

I think the answer to which spell got upgraded is both of what he said, depending on which built.

Battle shout got a new rank maybe because the current best one is lvl 52.

But maybe the new backstab is there because dagger rogues seem to scale alot less into uberness then SS rogues, at least that's what it seem to me atm.

I'm not sure if there is a new Sinister Strike but I would assume no.

Thorb
www.starsonata.com

Solmancer · 12-19-2005, 10:01 PM

Rogues were: Backstab, Deadly Poison, Feint iirc.

WillzZz · 12-19-2005, 10:08 PM

Link for new ranks of spells?

Zehn - Vhex · 12-19-2005, 10:25 PM

Dev chats are pretty much ultimately useless. It's like when Brad posts and 99% of his post is, "We're happy with what we've done so far, we're always looking for ways to improve things, we're really excited about the future developments."

Ultimately you can't blame them I guess. They take far more flak for failed promises then they do for just not handing out any information at all until it's already in game and near live.

Ossoi · 12-19-2005, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyscord

Greater heal and druid healing touch are pretty useless in their current form. To big, to slow, to mana costly. .

Err the Druid "quick" heal regrowth is far too mana costly to use regularly, it heals for 1200 with a 50% chance to crit for 1900 after talents, and tacks on a HOT. Oh and the cast time is 2.5, mana cost of 880

The Big heal is a 3 second cast time, 2500-2800 for 700 mana, i find that the rank before that of healing touch is sufficient for raids and thats only 600 mana.

Only time I use regrowth is PvP.

12-19-2005, 09:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
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12-19-2005, 09:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
Dyscord Harvey Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Command Carrier Posts: 1,846 +6 Internets	I really hope they do something about the big slow heals. Greater heal and druid healing touch are pretty useless in their current form. To big, to slow, to mana costly. Just load up on the +healing gear and cast faster, less mana costly lower ranks. I do 1000 heal in 2.5 seconds for 180 mana. With the amount of heal spam being tossed around, anyone using 3k heals is doing some serious overheal.

12-19-2005, 09:32 PM	#8 (permalink)
Cad Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,278	When they answered the meat & potatoes questions I thought they were pretty straightforward.. they said there would be a new armor set that you could get in 5-mans, although no word on rare/epic or ilvls mentioned obviously. I'd venture to say it'll be a blue level 70 or so set, which means it'll be worse than molten core gear. I also doubt it'll be an 8-peice set, probably 6 like the pvp set. Thats just the pessimistic side of me talking, could be awesome. On the other hand they didn't start for 15 minutes into the hour, there were several uncomfortable 5 minute silences, and they answered questions like "whats the lore behind the black morass" and "when can I get that feeling from the deadmines back" basically total fluff questions that wasted alot of time. Mages got told they aren't getting any major changes so suck it up, and Kalgan revealed how little he knows when he said they went off of which spells hadn't had a new rank in a while (which is true for priests, but untrue for nearly every other class). So they didn't give us totally nothing, but it wasn't as much as I'd hoped. Not a complete waste of time, but they did skirt some questions. There was a question about how every class was required besides warriors, how you really cannot do the raid instances without a warrior. He skirted that by saying "we design it for every class to be required, not just the warrior" .. he either completely missed the point or deliberately didn't answer the question.

12-19-2005, 09:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
Thorbadin Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 453 -1 Internets	I think the answer to which spell got upgraded is both of what he said, depending on which built. Battle shout got a new rank maybe because the current best one is lvl 52. But maybe the new backstab is there because dagger rogues seem to scale alot less into uberness then SS rogues, at least that's what it seem to me atm. I'm not sure if there is a new Sinister Strike but I would assume no. Thorb www.starsonata.com

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WillzZz Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 958 +1 Internets	Link for new ranks of spells?

12-19-2005, 10:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,413 +61 Internets	Dev chats are pretty much ultimately useless. It's like when Brad posts and 99% of his post is, "We're happy with what we've done so far, we're always looking for ways to improve things, we're really excited about the future developments." Ultimately you can't blame them I guess. They take far more flak for failed promises then they do for just not handing out any information at all until it's already in game and near live.