Group Buffs

Suineg · 12-08-2005, 01:11 PM

Reading over the Paladin changes for the umpteenth time in multiple seperate threads I pondered to myself....

Are group spells overbalanced?

Some of you new to WoW may not remember the time where there wasn't Group Fort or Group MOW or Arcane Brilliance etc..

What I am wondering is when there were group versions put in why weren't the spells like Spirit and Shadow Resist put in? (as you can tell I am a Priest)

I can understand Spirit maybe since it is a Talent spell but could there be a way to code it so Group Spirit can be learned from the Class Trainer as a group and single spell?

Is there an overbalancing issue? Coding issue? Just doesn't make sense to me and maybe the rest of you have figured it out from reading the cesspool that is the official WoW forums but I refuse to browse them for that sole purpose...

chu · 12-08-2005, 01:12 PM

It's likely just been overlooked. Make it a habit to start the same thread every week for several weeks and it may happen ;P

Malvesti · 12-08-2005, 01:43 PM

Yeah I dunno. This is one of those lessons they could have learned from EQ but chose not to. Rebuffing is not fun. Seriously, you don't even have to put any brain power into it; it just makes playing slower.

Personally I like the Pally aura system and wish every buffing class worked like that. (I think EQ2 does it this way.) Everybody in my group gets Aura of Fortitude. The "tier 2" of the spell gives it to everybody in my raid. Get rid of Priest Shadow Prot. since Paladins have the aura already.

Suineg · 12-08-2005, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malvesti

Get rid of Priest Shadow Prot. since Paladins have the aura already.

Cause Horde has Paladins

gg

Malvesti · 12-08-2005, 01:54 PM

I'm suggesting an overhaul (all auras), so naturally I'd also suggest also that Shammies get the shadow aura.

Anyway, I'm agreeing with you, so I'm not sure where the "gg" comes from. Plus, I play a priest, so it's not like I don't know what you're talking about. Sheesh.

Suineg · 12-08-2005, 02:00 PM

I worry about idiots making Paladin the all encompassing buff bot replacing us priest.

Asmadai · 12-08-2005, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malvesti

I'm suggesting an overhaul (all auras), so naturally I'd also suggest also that Shammies get the shadow aura.

Anyway, I'm agreeing with you, so I'm not sure where the "gg" comes from. Plus, I play a priest, so it's not like I don't know what you're talking about. Sheesh.

Can't leave things like that open to assumption. I also thought you were seriously saying to drop Shadow Prot for Priests since Pallys have it, period.

Group Spirit sure would be nice, as would Group Shadow Prot. I'd like to see resist buffs with a longer duration as well. 10 minutes just doesn't work right at times. They shouldn't give it to Shaman's though. I don't want Shaman's to be the exact opposite/same thing as Paladins are at all.

Haven't done too much thought about it, and maybe there is some imba issues that prevented this from happening, but damn I sure would like a Group Renew. Doesn't have to be all that great, just something to help while you're spot healing everyone else. Oh and group targettable PoH too. Although i'm sure that won't ever happen.

Raylen · 12-08-2005, 02:16 PM

Remember the Priest Holy talent that increased Shadow Protection also? I'd like that again + group thx

Linus · 12-08-2005, 07:50 PM

When they do the expansion talents, just make the first 32-point talent for every buffing class to be MGB. Add "Equip: Makes all your Group Buffs last xx% longer" to each set armor. Poof.

WillzZz · 12-08-2005, 08:56 PM

They should make a new Blessing of Wisdom that lasts for 2 hours, so I can sit in Ironforge and MGB Wisdom for donations!

Suineg · 12-08-2005, 09:34 PM

We already have it like fade faster etc etc...

Just transition to buffs and we are set.

Zaptruder · 12-08-2005, 09:58 PM

At least you guys didn't play games where recasting buffs mid fight were essential to fighting strategies...

Zehn - Vhex · 12-08-2005, 10:07 PM

OUr on ly hope is that with Fangtooth gone, Priests may eventually become a playable class.

I still think it would be best to just divy up priest abilities/talents between druids, shaman and paladins, make pal/shaman playable by either faction and call it a day.

Turzem · 12-09-2005, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillTR

They should make a new Blessing of Wisdom that lasts for 2 hours, so I can sit in Ironforge and MGB Wisdom for donations!

Ah, the good old days.

I hope whoever thought up KEI was shot.

Malvesti · 12-09-2005, 08:09 PM

There's downsides to everything - short buffs mean constant recasting and downtime as you regen. Especially long buffs mean people can vendor them. Auras seem to be a good balance.

12-08-2005, 01:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
Suineg Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,783 -11 Internets	Group Buffs Reading over the Paladin changes for the umpteenth time in multiple seperate threads I pondered to myself.... Are group spells overbalanced? Some of you new to WoW may not remember the time where there wasn't Group Fort or Group MOW or Arcane Brilliance etc.. What I am wondering is when there were group versions put in why weren't the spells like Spirit and Shadow Resist put in? (as you can tell I am a Priest) I can understand Spirit maybe since it is a Talent spell but could there be a way to code it so Group Spirit can be learned from the Class Trainer as a group and single spell? Is there an overbalancing issue? Coding issue? Just doesn't make sense to me and maybe the rest of you have figured it out from reading the cesspool that is the official WoW forums but I refuse to browse them for that sole purpose...

12-08-2005, 02:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
Raylen Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 117 +0 Internets	Remember the Priest Holy talent that increased Shadow Protection also? I'd like that again + group thx __________________ Mal'Ganis - Priest Jerks are a disgrace to pvp wtf

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12-08-2005, 01:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
chu Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 954 -24 Internets	It's likely just been overlooked. Make it a habit to start the same thread every week for several weeks and it may happen ;P

12-08-2005, 01:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
Malvesti Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 369 +0 Internets	Yeah I dunno. This is one of those lessons they could have learned from EQ but chose not to. Rebuffing is not fun. Seriously, you don't even have to put any brain power into it; it just makes playing slower. Personally I like the Pally aura system and wish every buffing class worked like that. (I think EQ2 does it this way.) Everybody in my group gets Aura of Fortitude. The "tier 2" of the spell gives it to everybody in my raid. Get rid of Priest Shadow Prot. since Paladins have the aura already.

12-08-2005, 01:54 PM	#5 (permalink)
Malvesti Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 369 +0 Internets	I'm suggesting an overhaul (all auras), so naturally I'd also suggest also that Shammies get the shadow aura. Anyway, I'm agreeing with you, so I'm not sure where the "gg" comes from. Plus, I play a priest, so it's not like I don't know what you're talking about. Sheesh.

12-08-2005, 02:00 PM	#6 (permalink)
Suineg Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,783 -11 Internets	I worry about idiots making Paladin the all encompassing buff bot replacing us priest.

12-08-2005, 07:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
Linus had the chance to ask the world to dance Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Midlothian Posts: 179 +0 Internets	When they do the expansion talents, just make the first 32-point talent for every buffing class to be MGB. Add "Equip: Makes all your Group Buffs last xx% longer" to each set armor. Poof.

12-08-2005, 08:56 PM	#10 (permalink)
WillzZz Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 903 -4 Internets	They should make a new Blessing of Wisdom that lasts for 2 hours, so I can sit in Ironforge and MGB Wisdom for donations!

12-08-2005, 09:34 PM	#11 (permalink)
Suineg Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,783 -11 Internets	We already have it like fade faster etc etc... Just transition to buffs and we are set.

12-08-2005, 09:58 PM	#12 (permalink)
Zaptruder Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 201 +0 Internets	At least you guys didn't play games where recasting buffs mid fight were essential to fighting strategies...

12-08-2005, 10:07 PM	#13 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,261 +53 Internets	OUr on ly hope is that with Fangtooth gone, Priests may eventually become a playable class. I still think it would be best to just divy up priest abilities/talents between druids, shaman and paladins, make pal/shaman playable by either faction and call it a day.

12-09-2005, 08:09 PM	#15 (permalink)
Malvesti Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 369 +0 Internets	There's downsides to everything - short buffs mean constant recasting and downtime as you regen. Especially long buffs mean people can vendor them. Auras seem to be a good balance.