Low Level PvP

[Guild Lackey]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

incredibly fun to fight a instant spamming shaman as a level 39 warrior, when your best attack is heroic strike.

Whirlwind axe

[Quineloe]

You won't outlast the cooldown of whirlwind, if that's what you are trying to say.

[benbadman]

Originally Posted by Makata

There hasn't been a 50-59 AB on Agrammar in 4 days. I don't mean I haven't personally been in one. There Has Not Been A Single Game. Is it already past FotM? I have a macro hotkey that did /who z-"arathi basin" 40-59 when i was 49, and i would click it several times an hour, because I was debating leveling. There were as many or perhaps even MORE 50s games last week (week starting on Tuesday for ranks). I was in 1 40s game on tuesday before I leveled to 50. I'm now on the cusp of 54. It infuriates me. I'm now making the maddest push to 60 I've ever done so I can TRY and get in and hit exalted before everyone bails.

How the fuck can there not be 15 50s horde players who want to queue and lose? I hear the drum for an alliance queueing every 5 minutes, I'm sure we've had queues in excess of 50 people at one point. Granted Aggramar is like a 3 to 1 imbalance but jesus hairy christ why can't these damn horde queue up and lose so I can get my damn shoulders already.

On a happier note, finally got around to getting my mason's ring and just did the new rogue 50 quest (ubar mask for the level) so I'm quite happy, even if the only pvp I've been able to do the past week is camp Rin'ji WAITING for some horde to start the quest and PRAY he fights back when I kill him. I've gotten 1 mage to fight back. He gave up after 3 deaths.

WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY CROSS-SERVER OR ALLIANCE VS ALLIANCE BGS! FUCK!

Here's an idea: quit beating off to your night elf porn and instead do something productive like play a Horde character. Instead of waiting for some Horde like the shit is Haley's comet, you could actually be a Horde player and have plenty of targets. I am not sure whether the problem with World of Warcraft is that there is no game mechanic that gives an incentive to the underdog team or if it is just people bandwagoning on the winning faction (alliance most of the time).

[Malakie Torsade]

Originally Posted by benbadman

Here's an idea: quit beating off to your night elf porn and instead do something productive like play a Horde character. Instead of waiting for some Horde like the shit is Haley's comet, you could actually be a Horde player and have plenty of targets. I am not sure whether the problem with World of Warcraft is that there is no game mechanic that gives an incentive to the underdog team or if it is just people bandwagoning on the winning faction (alliance most of the time).

Beat me to it.

20-29 WSG was fun for while, but the uber twinks totally ruin it. One group's entire strategy was send in 1 mage, take flag, and run back. She had so many HP that it would take 3+ people to kill her. Even if they had to do it "the hard way," they would send 1-2 of there twinks with her to keep her alive. Low level PvP wasn't about skill; it was about how many twinks your team had and how many were Engineers.

[Makata]

Originally Posted by benbadman

Here's an idea: quit beating off to your night elf porn and instead do something productive like play a Horde character. Instead of waiting for some Horde like the shit is Haley's comet, you could actually be a Horde player and have plenty of targets. I am not sure whether the problem with World of Warcraft is that there is no game mechanic that gives an incentive to the underdog team or if it is just people bandwagoning on the winning faction (alliance most of the time).

I played 3 horde characters. 2 to 60, and my third to 41 before I got insanely bored doing the same quests and talking to the same people to help me with the same quests, grouping with the same idiots, etc. I had to reroll alliance side or the game would have melted my brain.

Also, me being horde wouldn't change much. It would change by 6%. That is, I'd be 1 of 15 people more in the queue. Again .. it isn't that there have been games and I just haven't been able to get in. THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE FOR FIVE DAYS. Me rerolling (again) a horde 50-59 wouldn't change shit unless there is precisely 9 other horde waiting at all times. Even still it would be a 10v15 slaughterfest.

I was going to make a new post about this but this thread is degenerating to that point anyway. There needs to be workarounds to the BG system. Most notably is the new level ranges. On paper, making 60s their own group is a great idea, and in fact I'm sure many of you are delighted about the change, since there won't be any 51s on your team contributing little. But there were 51s on the opposing team too, so this didn't change alot. What's left is 50-59 has become a ghost town. Most casual players who do BGs are fairly evenly divided between 20-29 and 30-39 and a couple in 40-49, but most people that make it to 50 are more serious gamers who push ahead to 60 a week later, and don't even bother sticking around. I suppose it isn't that big of a deal considering I'll be 60 in a few days, it just pisses me off I have had absolutely 0 oppurtunity to do a BG this week. The 60s BG scene is probably fine, but 20-59 could definately use some cross-server games at the very least, if not alliance vs alliance games.

[sarinrathe]

Playing a shaman on Wildhammer, plenty of low lvl PVP going on in outdoor zones. Server started 3 weeks ago (I think), so there are no raiding guilds yet and AV BGs, etc can't fill up yet.

[Wodin]

Originally Posted by Makata

I was going to make a new post about this but this thread is degenerating to that point anyway. There needs to be workarounds to the BG system. Most notably is the new level ranges. On paper, making 60s their own group is a great idea, and in fact I'm sure many of you are delighted about the change, since there won't be any 51s on your team contributing little. But there were 51s on the opposing team too, so this didn't change alot. What's left is 50-59 has become a ghost town. Most casual players who do BGs are fairly evenly divided between 20-29 and 30-39 and a couple in 40-49, but most people that make it to 50 are more serious gamers who push ahead to 60 a week later, and don't even bother sticking around. I suppose it isn't that big of a deal considering I'll be 60 in a few days, it just pisses me off I have had absolutely 0 oppurtunity to do a BG this week. The 60s BG scene is probably fine, but 20-59 could definately use some cross-server games at the very least, if not alliance vs alliance games.

Here's where your reasoning is fundamentally flawed. Maybe it's just the fact that I play on a mature server, but my experience with Warsong Gulch at 60 was the following.

In a guild group vs a guild group: All 60s w/epics, alliance AFK out to get more efficient honor stomping PUGs.

In a guild group vs a PUG: All 60s w/epics vs 60s in so-so gear who aren't in an MC-running guild. Poor guys usually got stomped, but actually stayed to fight on a semi-regular basis(maybe 50% of the time).

In a PUG vs a guild group: They've got all 60s in epics, we've got 1-2 and assorted lower level players. Most of the opposition could kill 2-3 of our sub-60s by themselves, without the coordinated healing we're getting. Usually the only kills in these matches were rogues double-teaming a caster.

In a PUG vs a PUG: Whoever has more low-levels loses, every time. The scaling between 51 and 60 is just enormous.

If they hadn't changed the level banding, the fact that fights between pickup groups are decided purely on the basis of whoever has fewer 51-59s would have continued, and since those are the only real chance for a PUG to have fun, it usually ruined the one or two chances you had at a good game that evening. The 20-29 bracket is full of twinks, 30-39 and 40-49 are pretty even and are fun because there aren't any insane power jumps in those ranges, so it's possible to compete without being completely gimp even if you're only in the middle of the range, and 50-59 is deservedly a ghost town.

[Jubee]

AB is still going strong on Mal'Ganis. We can actually get in a AB as a guild group, and the zone is still new so even pubbies wont afk out of a stompfest.

However the reputation may need to be tweaked a little bit. I may be spoiled from raiding but the exhalted AB gear is crap and after like 25 games (with about 20 wins) I'm just barely friendly. If the average game is ~20 minutes, that means I've thrown 8.3 hours into AB and I've only earned the right to buy lvl 45 biscuits. I don't want to see every warrior/pally with another TUF, but after 8 hours of killing alliance you'd think the'd atleast sell me bandages.

[Mkopec1]

Originally Posted by Jubee

However the reputation may need to be tweaked a little bit. I may be spoiled from raiding but the exhalted AB gear is crap and after like 25 games (with about 20 wins) I'm just barely friendly. If the average game is ~20 minutes, that means I've thrown 8.3 hours into AB and I've only earned the right to buy lvl 45 biscuits. I don't want to see every warrior/pally with another TUF, but after 8 hours of killing alliance you'd think the'd atleast sell me bandages.

I agree, while the AV rep was a bit too fast to get, the AB is a pain in the ass.

I have been doing nothing but AB for the past 2 weeks, with a instance run here and there inbetween, but this is about 30 hours a week and I am now like 1/4 of the bar into honored. Granted not all of my AB were victories, but all of AB's give you some kind of faction. Sot hats about 60+ hours grinding AB and im only honored.

And if revered is 21K faction to get exhalted, your basically taking about 160+ wins at 130 faction each to get exhalted.

[Makata]

Originally Posted by Wodin

Here's where your reasoning is fundamentally flawed.

I generally agree .. but the /afk out is a whole different issue, but considering it's still in the game, I can accept the 60 change as good.

However it doesn't change the fact that now at 56, I haven't played an AB game since 49, and that is horrendously gay. How about filling up 10 60's (out of 15) and then for the last 5, if a 50-59 has been waiting for a lot longer than the next 60 in the queue, let them in. You have at most 5 lower levels on your side, but at least they get a chance to play. As it is now, there is ZERO reason to stay 50-59 longer than absolutely necessary. I haven't even bothered to queue today because I know a game won't start. And I've been hitting my /who hotkey and I'm right .. one hasn't. I barely hit sergeant at 49, and would have hit rank 4 or even 5 if I could continue to get games like I did on thursday and friday of last week .. but I guess horde got tired of losing.

Oh well .. 60 in 3, maybe 4 more days. I'll drop down to corporal but be back to sergeant if not higher in 2 weeks.