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07-13-2005, 08:53 PM
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| Avarice  Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Rolling down Rodeo with a shotgun
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+9 Internets | What the fuck is wrong with the raiding guilds out there What happened to beating something and not telling the whole goddamned world how you did it? Was protection of your spawns the only thing stopping you from distributing strats on every fucking encounter? We're in BWL for the first time tonight and we can't even set up before ten fucking people think we're doing it wrong because we aren't using the exact strat they read somewhere from some guild who has beaten it. It's only worse when you lose, not that the plan wasn't executed, it's that there's only one way to do things (the published way) and that's it. How about we not subject eachother to this shit and not tell everyone every detailed step on every fucking encounter in BWL before people have a chance to learn for themselves. I'd rather retire than have to play "monkey see, monkey do" through a BRAND NEW FUCKING ZONE. God I thought the release of Blackwing Lair was going to be a pause in this for just a bit, maybe we'd be able to kill a mob (any mob!) before strats were widely published. It is bullshit of the highest order. And BWL was a laggy piece of shit tonight, by the way.
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07-13-2005, 08:56 PM
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| Sisko is the new Picard  Join Date: Dec 2002
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I understand your want to experience fresh new content, but the fault isn't with the guilds posting strats, it's your guild.
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07-13-2005, 09:01 PM
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| Avarice Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Rolling down Rodeo with a shotgun
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+9 Internets | It's not just my guild we're raiding with, half a dozen raiding guilds on one side of a medium population realm (the horde side) makes competition for good people very difficult. I stand by my opinion that posting the strats after night one is total bullshit, whether I'm forced to read them or not. [Edit] Not to mention, if you're competing with guilds on your server, knowing that no one has to learn the right way if they don't want to really fucks up the whole experience.
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07-13-2005, 09:06 PM
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| Watches the Watchmen  Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dallas
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| Here here Fog. I am right there with you on this one. What happened to figuring things out on your own? Where did the averages gamers sence of accomplishment go? Why does everyone have to have the mystery of the game ripped from them? I would honestly like to attack a problem on my own for a while, let me and my friends figure out what is best. Going into an encounter with the best strat already in hand is like going to see the "6th Sense" knowing Bruce Willis is a ghost. Pointless.
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07-13-2005, 09:07 PM
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| Irritable  Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: :noitacoL
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| Happened in EQ too, but smart uberguilds boot those twerps. Shut up and raid, or get the fook out. Simple as that. Safehouse guilds have always existed, and every GL worth their salt listened in to FoH IRC. WoW is a helluva fun game but now you've got a game with hundreds of servers and fairly easy content and that window of "Bragging Rights" gets awfully narrow so it's only more rapid and pronounced. Without a handful of guilds to stand far and above the rest (who like AL and FoH refused to give blatant strats) you're never going to see a tight lid on strats. If you can't control your guildies I'd suggest finding new ones, because you sure as hell aren't going to get every guild to stop posting them. Last edited by Jait : 07-13-2005 at 09:09 PM. |
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07-13-2005, 09:14 PM
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| eat shit and die sam  Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Texas
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  | Didnt it start with Conquest being accused of exploiting in WoW so they said fuck it and posted all strats so people could see it wasnt being exploited...?
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07-13-2005, 09:15 PM
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| My sig will turn you wicked gay.  Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: France
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| It's because all the shit is instanced... People didn't sit there and write a how-to walkthru on NToV simply because there was only one per server. The spawn protection that being able to loom over people learning the encounter ready to take it once they fail was a great thing. Get rid of instanced zones and all the uberguilds would enact a "shut the fuck up" order on all their members REAL fast. As for why strats for Kazzak/Azuregos are posted is simply because they are outdoor encounters any noob can watch and learn the strats on.
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07-13-2005, 09:16 PM
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| Sisko is the new Picard Join Date: Dec 2002
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A: You are competing for e-peen status with many other guilds on your server. Understandable. B: You want content to be new and unspoiled. Also understandable. A and B don't mix, at all. Fight fire with fire. If you can't beat them, join them. Let's be realistic here, people are going to post strats because raiding in WoW is casual friendly(thank god...I mean that, really). And you know at least one guild is to read those strats. What I suggest is that you create a coallition of guilds that you know you can trust that won't read strats. On my server, I know some of my guild will read strats, but if the leaders ask them not to share, they won't. I also trust Ascent isn't that lame, and also because they are usually trailblazing, there are no strats for them to read anyway. On the otherhand, most of the guild knows BBB is quite shady and full of inept players, and thus will most likely resort to strats. So, get the guilds together you know you can trust, and have this friendly progression competition with them.
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07-13-2005, 09:16 PM
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07-13-2005, 09:34 PM
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| Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Source Victoria
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As a former hardcore EQ'er, there is a very different feel between the games, the experience and the people who are playing them. In my experiences thusfar (about halfway thru MC, horde guild, low pop server), people are far more concerned about their own loot, and by connection concerned that we do the 'safe' thing and do it the way someone else did. Sure, wiping out and not getting any items a few nights in a row is frustrating, but to know you did something without assistence is a true accomplishment. As a raid officer in my current guild, I will tell you I do have to keep a very short leash on people who's mouths simply reguritate the 'strats of the masses'. My /tell usually goes something like "stfu man we'll do this on our own, and if you keep blathering i'll open you a very special portal to thunder bluff." | |
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07-13-2005, 10:26 PM
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Also, posting strats is a good way to establish yourself as better than other guilds, in a game that doesnt let you do it many other ways. "They wrote the book" so to speak... Last edited by Taggle : 07-13-2005 at 10:33 PM. | |
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07-13-2005, 10:35 PM
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He is complaining because he CANNOT avoid to do that. At least without cloning himself 39 times. I've also noticed how noone wants even to attempt something different or something that wasn't already completely analyzed. I'm between those who love to make mistakes and learn from them. The last time I tried to explain a raid what they were doing wrong and how they should change the tactics I was kicked out. The point is about the lack of leaders. 99% of the difficulty of a raid encounter is to make people follow orders precisely. | |
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