Community versus raiders - Page 2

Zehn - Vhex · 06-22-2005, 03:36 AM

No shit, if you want community, pull your head out of your ass and talk to people. If your guild is full of bad ass motherfuckers and infinately better then the rest of the people on the server, then what the fuck are you whining about?

end of story.

Clericnon2boxed · 06-22-2005, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kilaara

The problem in EQ was the Equippment.

The raiding guilds were equipped in a Form that a normal Wizard had more HP than a non raiding warrior and a Raidguild Necro could better tank than that non raiding warrior.

That stuff what is content for the non raiding .. is sleepmodefighting for the raiders.

A druid soloing Wuoshi ... , a necro soloing the Rhags ... ... thats more the equippment than the professional playstyle.

I remember well in Kunark .. you were well suited with 6 k hp / 1.4 k AC buffed as a warrior. Whats now in EQ 13 k hp / 2.5 k AC ?

The dps also has gone to an insane amount in that time.

So its not the raiding what is the difference .. its the inflation in equippment.

I think this is it, I never felt very enthusiastic to group/quest whatever with people with 3rd world gear, it felt too much like I was doing the main work and the rest of the group just followed me around / provided semi useful buffs.
But what can you expect everyone going out of their way to bring everyone to the same level of gear and exp ? communism (the concept I guess, not the failures of it in some parts of the world)

Then the best would be if no one did anything and all would just chat and play happy community.

Sampo · 06-22-2005, 06:59 AM

Imo, WoW invented the hardcore casual debate

Ennya Dragonslayer · 06-22-2005, 07:38 AM

WoW didn't create the hardcore/casual debate, it got the hardcore people to see that there was one to begin with. The uber-raiders have never seen what 99% of the players see as the game. They have their eye on the prize and keep it there no matter what happens. EQ's problem was it creates a caste system where 99% of the players who didn't fit the profile would never see the best gear for themself. Once they realized it, they either came to terms with it, or they left. WoW makes most everything available to everyone because it's all BoE stuff.

EQ finially realized this hence the attuned and quest crap in OOW. Had the re-itemized backwards, and kept doing it, I bet they would have a lot more customers right now. Sadly, SoE always catered to the high end player and thus the low end players suffered.

I've been in both camps, and oddly enough I was also in a 3rd camp where we where casual players with an association, doing what the "Uber players" said could not be done -- on a daily basis. Watching casual players wining and running around with "uber gear" was more of a rush then seeing UberWizard_023 win elemental legs on bid.

sarinrathe · 06-22-2005, 07:53 AM

MMOs are not hard. I played EQ for 2 years (was in raiding guild blah blah blah), my brother played Phantasy Star. We both have done MC, he did some boss offtanking and has more epics than me.

Given, our guild is not bleeding edge, but we still killed the content. Our raid leader was a pretty hardcore EQer - but our guild comes from all over (DAOC, SWG, EQ, consoles....)

Sure the console players might be noobs on the first run - but they pick it up by next raid. Seriously, these games are not hard, raiding is just a factor of time and leadership.

06-22-2005, 06:59 AM	#18 (permalink)
Sampo Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: erm Posts: 521 +1 Internets	Imo, WoW invented the hardcore casual debate Last edited by Sampo : 06-22-2005 at 01:30 PM.

06-22-2005, 07:38 AM	#19 (permalink)
Ennya Dragonslayer Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 139 -1 Internets	WoW didn't create it WoW didn't create the hardcore/casual debate, it got the hardcore people to see that there was one to begin with. The uber-raiders have never seen what 99% of the players see as the game. They have their eye on the prize and keep it there no matter what happens. EQ's problem was it creates a caste system where 99% of the players who didn't fit the profile would never see the best gear for themself. Once they realized it, they either came to terms with it, or they left. WoW makes most everything available to everyone because it's all BoE stuff. EQ finially realized this hence the attuned and quest crap in OOW. Had the re-itemized backwards, and kept doing it, I bet they would have a lot more customers right now. Sadly, SoE always catered to the high end player and thus the low end players suffered. I've been in both camps, and oddly enough I was also in a 3rd camp where we where casual players with an association, doing what the "Uber players" said could not be done -- on a daily basis. Watching casual players wining and running around with "uber gear" was more of a rush then seeing UberWizard_023 win elemental legs on bid.

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06-22-2005, 03:36 AM	#16 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,413 +61 Internets	No shit, if you want community, pull your head out of your ass and talk to people. If your guild is full of bad ass motherfuckers and infinately better then the rest of the people on the server, then what the fuck are you whining about? end of story.

06-22-2005, 07:53 AM	#20 (permalink)
sarinrathe Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 202 +0 Internets	MMOs are not hard. I played EQ for 2 years (was in raiding guild blah blah blah), my brother played Phantasy Star. We both have done MC, he did some boss offtanking and has more epics than me. Given, our guild is not bleeding edge, but we still killed the content. Our raid leader was a pretty hardcore EQer - but our guild comes from all over (DAOC, SWG, EQ, consoles....) Sure the console players might be noobs on the first run - but they pick it up by next raid. Seriously, these games are not hard, raiding is just a factor of time and leadership.