Battlegrounds: Imbalance Fix - Page 3

Regime · 05-13-2005, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by Itzena

To reiterate: Fuck the Alliance.

agreed

Kreugen · 05-14-2005, 10:29 AM

Here's two ways to fix it:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...ThreadID=28756

Post there, since it isn't getting shit for attention from the mouth breathers.

Short version for those too lazy to click:

Don't allow joining a BG if your side has more than the other. TRUE balance, not this 40 of one 20 of the other bullshit.

Second, better version that would require programmers to stop eating donuts and work:

If your side has more than the other, you are put in a res queue when you die, so that there are equal number of ACTIVE players on the field at all times.

So if it is 40vs20, 20 out of those 40 have to wait until people die before they can res.

These are the ONLY ways to actually make BG even teams. One or both needs to be done.

This helps prevent another issue, where once one team begins to win, the other side starts losing players. And once you start losing players, it snowballs - you just start getting crushed, and everyone winds up quitting and the winning team is robbed of victory.

The way the shit works right now, Alliance always had hundreds waiting in line, so they NEVER drop below 40 people. I've already been in a few 40 vs 20's. Shit we owned every alliance landmark except their final graveyard and still dropped down to 28 fucking people before we started losing again.

Sodami · 05-14-2005, 10:43 AM

If you want to play alliance just play on a PvP server. Soon you too can bitch about population imbalance.

leane · 05-14-2005, 03:16 PM

A thought occured to me, Why not give the teams a resistance based on numbers? Like if there are 40 alliance and 20 horde those 20 horde only take 50% damage from any attack or spell. If theres 40 alliance and 30 horde the horde take 75% damage from any source. Would make you work twice as hard if you have twice the numbers. Could you imagine how hard a horde warrior in full MC+ gear would be to kill if the numbers were really slewed?

Arbuste · 05-14-2005, 04:59 PM

The single and best way to fix the Alliance / Horde population imbalance server by server is a dynamical XP bonus for the losing side (considering the number of level 55-60 players online at a time.)
If there are 50% more Alliance players, give the Horde a 100% XP bonus. The XP bonus would be calculated again every week.

Horde (or on some rare servers, Alliance) characters would get to level 60 faster, making more level 60 to fight in BGs and PvP. People would re-roll more easily with a +100% XP bonus. People would make alts on those servers and those factions because of the XP bonus.

Wouldn't be an insta-fix, but it can only help reduce the problems. Except if I'm missing something.

Sodami · 05-14-2005, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Arbuste
The single and best way to fix the Alliance / Horde population imbalance server by server is a dynamical XP bonus for the losing side (considering the number of level 55-60 players online at a time.)
If there are 50% more Alliance players, give the Horde a 100% XP bonus. The XP bonus would be calculated again every week.

Horde (or on some rare servers, Alliance) characters would get to level 60 faster, making more level 60 to fight in BGs and PvP. People would re-roll more easily with a +100% XP bonus. People would make alts on those servers and those factions because of the XP bonus.

Wouldn't be an insta-fix, but it can only help reduce the problems. Except if I'm missing something.

Only problem would be the massive outlash. Sounds like a good idea though.

Yermum Onceme · 05-14-2005, 06:44 PM

yer all missing the one glaring problem: alliance make up the large majority of blizzard's customers and must therefore be catered to, NOT horde.

They should make a battleground thats considered practice or something. Alliance vs alliance or horde vs horde. It could be worth less points, hell next to nothing or nothing at all, but at least itd provide an outlet for the majority side without forcing xteaming or rerolls.

Itzena · 05-15-2005, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sodami
Only problem would be the massive outlash.

Also the fact that xp bonus doesn't mean a damn thing when you're at 60. However, as an incentive to make people reroll on the underdog side, it'd be interesting.

Maybe have the underdogs be more 'lucky' as well - slightly more coin drops, slightly better chances for getting items, etc, etc.

Emphasis on 'slightly', natch.

Torrid · 05-15-2005, 08:30 AM

Personly I'd like to see the system outright BOOT the surplus alliance from the zone when sides start to become uneven. Whatever the case, 28v40 scenarios are completely unacceptable. I put up with the zerg shit since PvP was implemented in beta. End it now damn it.

Metranon · 05-15-2005, 08:31 AM

kil'jaeden has the most balanced population of any server i've played on, i think

Quote:

Horde (or on some rare servers, Alliance) characters would get to level 60 faster, making more level 60 to fight in BGs and PvP. People would re-roll more easily with a +100% XP bonus. People would make alts on those servers and those factions because of the XP bonus.

this is a cool idea, i play alliance with my main currently on KJ, but have a horde alt on destromath, a 31 undead mage, that i'd love to have more opportunity to level up-- As i understand it destromath has a significant alliance advantage in population. Doesn't seem that unbalacing to give horde on this server a small advantage, say a 10% perma xp bonus until the population of level 60's starts to level off.

Kreugen · 05-15-2005, 09:20 AM

I hear 80% of alliance players are in favor of other alliance players rerolling as horde.

Gamblor · 05-15-2005, 12:32 PM

It's fair to say that balance is not what they intended with battlegrounds. It's just a way to keep people occupied while the glacial pace of Blizzard content creation tries to catch up.

The fucking map isn't even balanced evenly, how the hell are they supposed to make the populations not favor the alliance?

Alliance can go around our npc zerg, we get to go straight through and deal with backspawning npcs that durability death half the casters. If it were a live server I would have switched to shitty AH greens so I didn't end up paying out the asshole for repairs.

Test only proved that we can look forward to hunters hiding behind shitloads of mines and the patented Hillsbrad Staredown to continue in Alterac.

45 instances a couple days ago, of which half had under 30 horde. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it's only going to be easier for the overpopulated side to win since they'll be filling the instances and going up against fewer opponents no matter which they pick.

Benito Fireslinger · 05-15-2005, 06:21 PM

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yer all missing the one glaring problem: alliance make up the large majority of blizzard's customers and must therefore be catered to, NOT horde.

yes which is why shamans are still the most powerful class in the game...

If I had my way totems would cost alot more mana and have a recast timer and your shocks would be hella expensive if they were kept on their insta cast timers.

Blizzard has no sense of balance in this game and its getting quite old =\

Itzena · 05-16-2005, 12:29 AM

Stunlock.

trunll · 05-16-2005, 01:37 AM

They should allow same faction fighting. The videos of paladins chain consecration running at each other will be lots of fun.

05-14-2005, 03:16 PM	#34 (permalink)
leane Noob Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: State of Confusion Posts: 849 +0 Internets	A thought occured to me, Why not give the teams a resistance based on numbers? Like if there are 40 alliance and 20 horde those 20 horde only take 50% damage from any attack or spell. If theres 40 alliance and 30 horde the horde take 75% damage from any source. Would make you work twice as hard if you have twice the numbers. Could you imagine how hard a horde warrior in full MC+ gear would be to kill if the numbers were really slewed? __________________ Murder! meyhem! kitties!

05-16-2005, 12:29 AM	#44 (permalink)
Itzena SOS-dan #76564674 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Near a big fucking castle, the UK Posts: 6,027 -19 Internets	Stunlock. __________________

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05-14-2005, 10:29 AM	#32 (permalink)
Kreugen Fires of Heaven Ancient Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,740 +45 Internets	Here's two ways to fix it: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...ThreadID=28756 Post there, since it isn't getting shit for attention from the mouth breathers. Short version for those too lazy to click: Don't allow joining a BG if your side has more than the other. TRUE balance, not this 40 of one 20 of the other bullshit. Second, better version that would require programmers to stop eating donuts and work: If your side has more than the other, you are put in a res queue when you die, so that there are equal number of ACTIVE players on the field at all times. So if it is 40vs20, 20 out of those 40 have to wait until people die before they can res. These are the ONLY ways to actually make BG even teams. One or both needs to be done. This helps prevent another issue, where once one team begins to win, the other side starts losing players. And once you start losing players, it snowballs - you just start getting crushed, and everyone winds up quitting and the winning team is robbed of victory. The way the shit works right now, Alliance always had hundreds waiting in line, so they NEVER drop below 40 people. I've already been in a few 40 vs 20's. Shit we owned every alliance landmark except their final graveyard and still dropped down to 28 fucking people before we started losing again.

05-14-2005, 10:43 AM	#33 (permalink)
Sodami Man of Steel Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 375 +0 Internets	If you want to play alliance just play on a PvP server. Soon you too can bitch about population imbalance.

05-14-2005, 04:59 PM	#35 (permalink)
Arbuste This calls for the league of Evil! Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 751 -1 Internets	The single and best way to fix the Alliance / Horde population imbalance server by server is a dynamical XP bonus for the losing side (considering the number of level 55-60 players online at a time.) If there are 50% more Alliance players, give the Horde a 100% XP bonus. The XP bonus would be calculated again every week. Horde (or on some rare servers, Alliance) characters would get to level 60 faster, making more level 60 to fight in BGs and PvP. People would re-roll more easily with a +100% XP bonus. People would make alts on those servers and those factions because of the XP bonus. Wouldn't be an insta-fix, but it can only help reduce the problems. Except if I'm missing something.

05-14-2005, 06:44 PM	#37 (permalink)
Yermum Onceme Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PA Posts: 1,523 +0 Internets	yer all missing the one glaring problem: alliance make up the large majority of blizzard's customers and must therefore be catered to, NOT horde. They should make a battleground thats considered practice or something. Alliance vs alliance or horde vs horde. It could be worth less points, hell next to nothing or nothing at all, but at least itd provide an outlet for the majority side without forcing xteaming or rerolls.

05-15-2005, 08:30 AM	#39 (permalink)
Torrid Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 963	Personly I'd like to see the system outright BOOT the surplus alliance from the zone when sides start to become uneven. Whatever the case, 28v40 scenarios are completely unacceptable. I put up with the zerg shit since PvP was implemented in beta. End it now damn it.

05-15-2005, 09:20 AM	#41 (permalink)
Kreugen Fires of Heaven Ancient Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,740 +45 Internets	I hear 80% of alliance players are in favor of other alliance players rerolling as horde.

05-15-2005, 12:32 PM	#42 (permalink)
Gamblor Rocket Powered Robocop Jesus Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 556 -1 Internets	It's fair to say that balance is not what they intended with battlegrounds. It's just a way to keep people occupied while the glacial pace of Blizzard content creation tries to catch up. The fucking map isn't even balanced evenly, how the hell are they supposed to make the populations not favor the alliance? Alliance can go around our npc zerg, we get to go straight through and deal with backspawning npcs that durability death half the casters. If it were a live server I would have switched to shitty AH greens so I didn't end up paying out the asshole for repairs. Test only proved that we can look forward to hunters hiding behind shitloads of mines and the patented Hillsbrad Staredown to continue in Alterac. 45 instances a couple days ago, of which half had under 30 horde. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it's only going to be easier for the overpopulated side to win since they'll be filling the instances and going up against fewer opponents no matter which they pick.

05-16-2005, 01:37 AM	#45 (permalink)
trunll azn gamer: rl pk 4 life Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Muh-Lay-Sha Posts: 101 -1 Internets	They should allow same faction fighting. The videos of paladins chain consecration running at each other will be lots of fun.