PvP Flag - Optional Level Limitations

[Kashmiir Battlekat]

Originally posted by Elgonn
Then add dishonor. A logical consequence of being a dick. Something that also doesn't break immersion.

Dishonor works too, but it wont stop the true cocksmokers unless the Dishonor penalty is ... severe. Perhaps escalating in severity.

Also, if it makes any difference I play on a PvE Server. I have never experienced being 'ganked', but I have read a number of posts around about griefing and thought this thing up. I also remember the grief some people had in EQ on the PvP servers.

[Duppin]

Originally posted by Jait
Most bitter post of the day.


As for the idea, it's generic and worthy of B.net where you posted it in the first place. No real specifics just: "Hey I got an idea, wouldn't it be great if we weren't ganked?!" Sure everyone agrees, but you have no idea how to implement it so you make up something like a text line command that allows you to pussify a game for the kids like Duppin at the expense of Risk vs Reward.

There's gotta be some risk, it can't simply be player defined as you're suggesting it should be. Nobody is forced into PvP. When they choose to play on a PvP server or choose to be tagged, they should know the risks. Too many games recently have turned wannabe hard-core players into the biggest whiners about fair play.


edit: Fucking Elgonn, he beat me to it, and much more succinctly I might add.

It's funny that you'd post "most bitter post of the day" about my post, and then come off far more bitter than I did.

I don't look down on you for wanting to PvP, although I dislike some of the internet tough-guy attitude that seems to invariably accompany the pro-PvP mindset; why is it necessary to whip out "kids" or "carebear" every time someone argues against it?

In regards to Kashmiir's idea; I agree that it's probably too complex to be workable and does destroy immersion.

I'm all for PvP players being able to gank whoever they want to, whenever they want to; it's something you accept when you log onto that type of server. And while I think there should be penalties for ganking people who have no real ability to fight back, it's going to be a tough sell to people who just want to prove how hardcore they are.

[Duppin]

edit: double post I couldn't figure out how to delete

[frott]

Originally posted by Kashmiir Battlekat
So the point of a PvP Server is to kill anthing that moves as much as you want irregardless of the fact the person on the otherside of the keyboard may be 35 levels lower then you and stand no chance at all to defeat you or get away?

Yeah, it gives you incentive to not be level 25 any more doesn't it? Which is FAR, FAR more than can be said about the purely PvE game and incentive.

I mean, boo fucking hoo that you can't take the 2 weeks it takes to get up to level 60, and want to fucking tailor the game to those who can't.

The BOTTOM FUCKING LINE is that the worst thing you can do to the opposing faction is keep them from completing quests and levelling. Once they're 60 who cares any more? Until they put in battlegrounds, and even then in the downtime I will be wandering around killing every horde I come across. Shrug.

The best quest in the game is the PVP quest for the Barov... it is marked PVP and the zone gets spammed when receiving the quest. Guess what? It's the most engaging quest because pvp interaction is a given. The same can be said for the stormrager raid quest. Guess what? On a PVP server every quest is a PVP quest. Escorting a guy through a contested area? Oops! Here comes horde! Killing kazaak? Uh oh, a level 60 horde came and nuked your raid for 4k each.

Get over it.


Ps > there is no word "irregardless" its regardless. If there was a word "irregardless" it would mean not regardless, which is opposite of what you were trying to say. Regardless means "with no regard," right?

[frott]

Dishonor is just shitty, sorry. It's way too exploitable, and as it stands it's hard enough to take out an entire town without worrying about dishonor because "civilians" decide to aggro on a healer.

And all of those retarded "this idiot level 45 in the middle of the level 60 raid group" ideas don't work because of the same reason the /pvp flag toggle doesn't work: they're invincible until they are needed, and when they are needed they can easily retreat after being beneficial.

The only people complaining about dishonor are basically the ones that take it up the ass regularly. The rest of us don't really see the issue, you're not going to get "high scores" ie, rewards for killing the lowbies, but don't punish me when it happens to happen.

[Soriak]

Instead of limiting PvP per level, they could limit the area you PvP in.

ie right now they have the code to prevent Horde from initiating combat in alliance territory and vice-versa.

They could extend this to exp zones, but limit by level, not faction.

If STV is considered exp from 30-40, then anyone above 40 would not be able to initiate PvP.

Likewise a zone 20-30 wouldn't let anyone above 30 initiate PvP.

You could add a couple levels and make it 45 and 35 - but that's still better than getting killed by a bored level 60 over and over.

There's no way battlegrounds is going to make that problem disappear either - did you forget about the Queue already?

People waiting to get in the BG surely aren't going to sit around with their dicks in their hands - they'll go out and gank people because they're bored.

[Duppin]

Originally posted by frott
Yeah, it gives you incentive to not be level 25 any more doesn't it? Which is FAR, FAR more than can be said about the purely PvE game and incentive.

I mean, boo fucking hoo that you can't take the 2 weeks it takes to get up to level 60, and want to fucking tailor the game to those who can't.

This is a lot easier to say when you're level 60. I predict you'd be singing an entirely different tune if you were still trying to level up with the honor system active in its current incarnation.

The best quest in the game is the PVP quest for the Barov... it is marked PVP and the zone gets spammed when receiving the quest. Guess what? It's the most engaging quest because pvp interaction is a given. The same can be said for the stormrager raid quest. Guess what? On a PVP server every quest is a PVP quest. Escorting a guy through a contested area? Oops! Here comes horde! Killing kazaak? Uh oh, a level 60 horde came and nuked your raid for 4k each.

Might be fun for you. For people who don't want quests to force them into PvP? It's like putting your nuts in a blender.

I really, really cannot understand where some people get the idea that because they, as an individual matter of taste, prefer to have PvP be a major part of their gameplay, that we all should agree that it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

(cue me being called a "carebear" or a "pussy")

[Zehn - Vhex]

Everybody knows if you play on a pvp server you're a walking god of the Earth, just look at the paragons of humanity and virtue that came out of Sullon Zek.

[frott]

Originally posted by Duppin
This is a lot easier to say when you're level 60. I predict you'd be singing an entirely different tune if you were still trying to level up with the honor system active in its current incarnation.

Might be fun for you. For people who don't want quests to force them into PvP? It's like putting your nuts in a blender.

I really, really cannot understand where some people get the idea that because they, as an individual matter of taste, prefer to have PvP be a major part of their gameplay, that we all should agree that it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

(cue me being called a "carebear" or a "pussy")

Are you saying this from the point of view of someone on a fucking PVP server? I really give fuck all care about what happens on the PVE servers and say everything from the point of view that, yes, I'm on a PVP server.

And yeah, I am levelling up a lowbie character. And it's fun. And when I make it to level 60 in 3 weeks it will only further my point of view that all these people whining about shit could be using that time to level up and lessen the impact of the boo-hoo honor system. Waaaaaah. OMG there I was minding my own business collecting 10 Rhino Cocks when the horde kill me, how horrible!

I'm also helping my level 40 friend level up out in the world, not hiding in dungeons. It's not so bad, adds tension to the game. We hold our own frequently against pairs of level 60. And it's always fun to let him kill the solo 60s we come across.

My main prob right now besides class discrepancies and the fact that the honor system doesn't go by class is that the honor system wasn't in place from launch day. That would have been fun.

I am going for top rank (have thousands of kills so far) or else I'd level my lowbie up and laugh at all of the whining.

I don't really care that you're a carebare and a pussy, but I do think that it's fine for a few of the quests to be PVP as flavor. Aww, don't do them if you don't like them. Don't join a pvp server if you don't want to PVP all the time.

Rather simple, rather than forming special rules to bend things towards your ego. I would have no problem with all of the whining bitches getting their very own special ruleset variation of pvp server with whatever special nutsack fondling they need to feel secure. I'd still play on the PVP server.

[frott]

Originally posted by Zehn_Druidbane
Everybody knows if you play on a pvp server you're a walking god of the Earth, just look at the paragons of humanity and virtue that came out of Sullon Zek.

It's funny how these discussions always end up the same:

A. "waaah, the pvp server hurts my feelings"
B. don't play there or adapt or push for a new server ruleset.
A. "waaah, all pvpers think they're so tough when the pvp server doesn't hurt their feelings"

Shrug. I like the incentive I had to be level 60 and at a certain level of gear before the shitstorm occurred. I wouldn't have cared as much in the PVE realms, because I don't believe I'd find myself pushing hard enough to get any rewards out of it (Which basically undermines the point of battlegrounds or spending any substantial amount of time pvping in my view).

And yeah, I'm winning at PVP currently. Roar. Go ahead and make rules to protect the weak, by the time they get 60 their new complaint will be that since I was at 60 for so long they have no chance to compete. Go ahead and make it so that I only get honor for killing level 60s during a full moon while I'm facing east.

There will still be some asswipe complaining that it's unfair for some reason or another.

[Duppin]

Okay, I'm going to try to see if I can make this clear without replying directly to all the "fuck" and "cock" and "pussy" and "carebear" and whatever else frott's limp little dick tells him to type every other word.

We get it. You don't like or respect PvE-focused players. You know what? I don't like or respect PvP-focused players, and it's largely because of attitudes like yours.

Despite my many posts on these boards, I wouldn't mind the occasional spot of PvP, as a concept. The problem is? EVERYONE has to turn PvP into some massive e-penis contest. It's all some little "hey look how hardcore (read that as leetspeak, I don't know how to type it properly lin leet) I am" circle-jerk.

Basically, I'm tired of people trying to turn every single online game they play into Counterstrike with a different map.

edit:

Originally posted by Zehn_Druidbane
Everybody knows if you play on a pvp server you're a walking god of the Earth, just look at the paragons of humanity and virtue that came out of Sullon Zek.

Quoted for fucking truth.

Unfortunately, somewhere along the line, this board seems to have turned into the WoW equivalent of the SZ boards.

Where's sam da man when you need him?

[Tuco]

I wouldn't mind it on my server(ARthas, PVP), as long as the enemy flagged if he aided a flagged high level I was fighting(Or hit me).

But if this goes in, I want level 60s flagged for PVP all the time, no more hiding in their Orgrimmar town crap.

[Kreugen]

Flag aggressive when you attack a player/PVP enabled NPC or enter an enemy controlled area - just like PVE servers. Aggressive players are worth HK, nonagressive can still be killed, but give no points.

Aggressive players are red, non aggressive players are pink.

See the thread and the level 60's shitting all over it at http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...p=1#post131621

[Cybsled]

If they do implement dishonor penalties, then they need to make civilians NOT AFFECTED BY AEs and %100 non-aggro unless you intentionally target them and nuke/attack/etc. That is the most annoying shit. I go to AE about 12 horde all trying to stack, and Jason Asswipe the Mushroom vendor decides it's a good time to take a stroll. Cue Gutterspeak spam, a dozen guards, and a DK just because I want him to shut the hell up.