Any gold farmer lists on your server?

[Nakilos]

I found this interesting, on my own server we have this list of supposed gold farmers.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...mp=1#post11613

Apparently its considered acceptable since a community rep endorsed a similar thread on Stormrage in this thread

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...&t=1881810&p=1

I find this fairly unsettling. Already on the Hellscream thread one person was taken off the list for being a suspected gold farmer, but that was only because the original poster was talked to in game about the person. Had that not happened, I wonder how much stock Blizzard takes in these threads and wrongly investigates the wrong people.

Bad enough Blizzard is investigating random people who have "too much gold" (what constitutes too much exactly...), but now they endorse community lynch mobs? I've already been accused of being a gold farmer in game because I'm just better at making money than most people, I wonder how soon I end up suspended for being an intelligent trader and knowing where to go to make cash easy.

[FuckYou]

I run a server board for blackhand. If some weeping vagina tried to post a blacklist on my board I would skullfuck them with a fossilized dinosaur dick.

Really I would just ban them but hey its the internet so I have to act tough and sexually agressive.

[Chaid]

/who 60 rogue azshara
/who 60 paladin azshara

There, that's the IGE gold farmer list for every server. Do I win at teh interweb now?

[Phoenix]

Gold farmers are all pretty obvious, atleast on Tichondrius.

1. They generally farm DWP/blasted lands/Azhara
2. They dont speak English. They ALL speak chinese.
3. They ALL have shitty equipment for their level. Many of them wont have mounts either.

I dont fucking care what happens to these people.

[Nakilos]

My concern is people just assuming people are gold farmers for being in certain zones. Like Azshara has 3 really good spots to farm gold or items that sell decently at, so its not just the gold farmers who are there, its just people trying to say load up cash for a mount, or just wanna make money. Same with Winterspring, I farm the Highbornes pretty regularly as they are a pretty good source of income and are easy as hell, can kill them endlessly with next to no downtime.

The problem to me is morons in the community just deciding someone who is better than making money then they are must work for IGE or something. Like this one guy was on the Hellscream list, and he definately isn't a gold farmer. Has a Dwarven Hand Cannon, bunch of instance loot, and a few other reasonably pricy items that no gold farmer would be able to keep. Speaks english too of course, apparently the original poster decided to not just send him a tell to check into that. Of course, he is always selling stuff in the AH and is a fairly good trader, so he must be a gold farmer right?

[Soygen]

Are you worried about Blizzard banning people being called out or just being called a 'farmer' on these threads? If it's the latter, who gives a fuck what some b.net retards call you on some thread, if it isn't true. If Blizzard is actually suspending and investigating due to said retards, then I'd agree with you.

[Nakilos]

I'm concerned about the former. I dislike the idea of being investigated because someone too lazy to farm gold petitions me for spending 3 hours in Winterspring farming Icy Chill enchants, or having my name end up on a thread and being investigated because some community rep read the names on the list.

[Solonaro]

I am happy to see people in the community taking action against the farmers.

If I somehow got on someone's list, I would just talk to them, or post a note, and just from the fact that I can put a sentence together it would be obvious that I don't fit the profile.

I find it impossible to believe that Blizzard is going to ban anyone just because they sit in one spot and farm runecloth for a long time. If your account has large numbers of gold transfers in multiples of 50g, for example, now that's the kind of suspicious activity they're looking for in their logs. It's so trivial to tell a real player from a professional farmer that it's hard for me to worry about the two ever getting confused for one another.

[Chaid]

Originally posted by Solonaro
I am happy to see people in the community taking action against the farmers. [...] It's so trivial to tell a real player from a professional farmer that it's hard for me to worry about the two ever getting confused for one another.

Indeed.

Personally I'd rather Blizzard make a few mistakes along the way rather than ignore the problem altogether like SOE did. IGE ruined the economy on more than one EQ1 server. I'd rather not see IGE repeat history in WoW.

IGE farmers are the only reason why I wish I played on a PvP server.

[Duppin]

Stuff like this is one of my personal biggest disappointments with Blizzard.

If you're at the point where you're relying on b.net kiddies to enforce your policies for you, and actively encouraging what amounts to being lynch mobs in order to enforce said policies...well, you've failed. Badly.

It's not even so much whether Blizzard takes any action against accounts on these "blacklists" or not; it's more about the fact that Blizzard's /weak/ response to these sorts of posts has gotten the b.net kiddies all empowered and feeling like they're being Junior G-Men, to the point that if your name even shows up on one of these lists, you're likely being bombarded with constant RANG RANG tells, light leather CODs for 100 gold, etc etc etc.

I, personally, think that the effect that IGE and such places have on MMORPG economies is pretty heavily overstated; however, even if that's the case, this is quite possibly the worst way you could go about trying to deal with them.

Add in the fact that each and every one of these threads turns into an impromptu online KKK meeting...and it's a recipe for disaster.

[Dagga]

Duppin, you seem a little worried that Blizzard might investigate your financial practices in game. Doing a little trading on the side?


Bottom line, more power to the people making these lists.

I think the biggest problem most people have is just the pure arrogance on the part of the IGE farmers. They don't even make an attempt to hide it. Same name / class characters on multiple servers, all unable to speak english, all farming Azshara / BS / etc close to 24 hours a day. It's a slap in the face to players.

I hope they ban every single one and dismantle the entire IGE network in WoW.



Dagga
Rogue - Blades of Wrath
Icecrown


ps: I really dont like China, either.

[Jitx]

Asianshara har har

[Duppin]

Originally posted by Dagga
Duppin, you seem a little worried that Blizzard might investigate your financial practices in game. Doing a little trading on the side?


Bottom line, more power to the people making these lists.

I think the biggest problem most people have is just the pure arrogance on the part of the IGE farmers. They don't even make an attempt to hide it. Same name / class characters on multiple servers, all unable to speak english, all farming Azshara / BS / etc close to 24 hours a day. It's a slap in the face to players.

I hope they ban every single one and dismantle the entire IGE network in WoW.



Dagga
Rogue - Blades of Wrath
Icecrown


ps: I really dont like China, either.

I wonder if your other post was as dumb as this one. I'd look but I'm not interested enough to be bothered.

Grats you on bringing the level of discourse on this board down to the level of the official forums, though, as I heard pretty much the same thing every time I spoke out about this there, too.

Since it appears to be your reading level, let me give you the version of this talk that I dumbed down for them:

I /want/ Blizzard to work to prevent IGE and other sites from becoming a problem in WoW.

What I don't want is to have Blizzard abdicate responsibility for making this happen, to the unwashed masses of b.net kiddies like you, and their little "farmer lists" that are just thinly or not-so-thinly veiled "lists of people who talk funny".

If you want to report someone to Blizzard, by filing a GM ticket or sending an email to the address they spout on all of these threads? Go to town. Posting people's names and inviting them to be harssed based on your little two-minute "omg they were fishing and didn't respond to my tells!" investigation? That's another ball of wax entirely.

Oh, by the way, feel free to suggest to Blizzard that they "investigate" my account; I'll even provide character names. Since I'm currently cancelled, waiting for Blizzard to sort some shit out, I couldn't care less. Oh, and they'll find about ten gold I think.

[Solonaro]

Blizzard's official response to these threads is that they would rather people report suspected farmers to the hacks@blizzard.com site than post lists publicly, which is fair enough. I don't know how you can expect them to issue a stronger rebuke to people who are, after all, on the right side of the issue. "We are against commercial gold farming, but if you publish another list of suspected farmers, we're going to put a warning on your account!"

The simple fact is, a lot of people are against commercial farmers. Some of those people aren't satisfied that Blizzard is doing enough about the problem and are taking matters into their own hands, including publishing names, organizing gank squads, you name it. You can have whatever opinion you like about this dynamic, but asking pissed-off players to just sit on their hands and trust Blizzard to take care of it in their own sweet time probably isn't going to be a productive approach for you.

[Duppin]

Originally posted by Solonaro
Blizzard's official response to these threads is that they would rather people report suspected farmers to the hacks@blizzard.com site than post lists publicly, which is fair enough. I don't know how you can expect them to issue a stronger rebuke to people who are, after all, on the right side of the issue. "We are against commercial gold farming, but if you publish another list of suspected farmers, we're going to put a warning on your account!"

Blizzard's "official response" to these threads is basically "hey, if you want to keep doing our jobs for us, go for it!"

That being said, I do understand the anger in the playerbase towards this sort of activity. There seems to be, in particular, a ton of disgruntled former L2 players in WoW who blame "chinese gold farmers" for everything from their dog dying to their favorite TV show being cancelled.

Unfortunately, this isn't a simple thing for Blizzard to police; it takes time, and a lot of effort. For those who don't have enough patience to let Blizzard figure it out, and have to "take matters into their own hands"; suck it the hell up. How do some of these people react when someone cuts them off in traffic? Go to the guy's house with a torch-wielding mob? Get a fucking grip already.

These threads are basically Blizzard-sanctioned harassment and/or racial hate fests, every single time. I'd have a ton more respect for Blizzard if they'd stop posting their weak-ass "email hacks@blizzard.com!" response and start throwing around the ban stick.