Raid Content Gap

CnCGOD · 03-08-2005, 05:12 PM

Why is it that there is absolutely no raid content for the medium sized raid?s I know lots and lots of people who don't like being in 70man guilds just to be able to do something other than a 5man instance.

Why is there no content for those guilds who like to raid with 20-25 people? This seems to be a vastly ignored segment of the wow population. I was always under the impression wow would have lots of content for this range and less for the massive raid zergs like in eq.

Kolle · 03-08-2005, 05:20 PM

I went on a MC raid awhile back with almost 40. I have to say it was some of the most boring shit I've experienced since EQ1 raiding.

Yet another zone with massive trash spawns, huge hps bosses, and hours upon hours of time investment for a few rewards. There was absolutely nothing special about it. So far 40 man raids seem to be EQ1 v2, bugs, poor loot and all.

I would love to see some 15-30 person content that goes beyond sending waves of mobs and killing tons of trash for a boss with 2 loots.

CnCGOD · 03-08-2005, 05:22 PM

Yeah the fact that MC is one of the most boreing zones ever to do doesn't really make me want to give up a medium friendly guild just for hours of tedium and a slight loot upgrade.

But now, our guild can't do anything togeather. Yes UBRS was trivial and starting to wear on us but damnit, we want to raid togeather!

Ziggurat · 03-08-2005, 05:44 PM

tigole mentioned they are aware of the gap between ubrs and mc/onyxia, and want to make some transitional content. I'm guessing that won't be implimented for many many months though.

FanBuss · 03-08-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by Kolle
I went on a MC raid awhile back with almost 40. I have to say it was some of the most boring shit I've experienced since EQ1 raiding.

Yet another zone with massive trash spawns, huge hps bosses, and hours upon hours of time investment for a few rewards. There was absolutely nothing special about it. So far 40 man raids seem to be EQ1 v2, bugs, poor loot and all.

I would love to see some 15-30 person content that goes beyond sending waves of mobs and killing tons of trash for a boss with 2 loots.

Likewise. I did 3 MC raids and said "fuck this shit". Haven't renewed subscription and prolly wont for a few months.

Tuco · 03-08-2005, 05:51 PM

battlegrounds > pvp rewards > 25-30 man content > 40 man content > 5 man content > under level 60 content.

CnCGOD · 03-08-2005, 06:32 PM

Tuco, agreed 100%.

Duppin · 03-08-2005, 06:37 PM

http://www.counter-strike.net/

James · 03-08-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by CnCGOD
Tuco, agreed 100%.

I don't see why. Battlegrounds is only going to make the PvP situation worse, not better, and without PvP PENALTIES, some kind of hard cap, and/or a massive increase in content at all levels of the game, it will never get better. Zones like Stranglethorn Vale and Hillsbrad are practically unplayable now besides for the few whom are bored and looking for a PvP fight; good luck questing there when Battlegrounds comes out and you have a million level 60s waiting for their BG summon flocking to Hillsbrad/STV for 'practice.'

I did all of my Hillsbrad quests last week on my hunter and I needed damn near the constant supervision of multiple level 60s in the top Horde guild on that server to help me through it, and I *STILL* got ganked and corpse camped out of more than a few hours of my playtime. With the same high level escorts, STV was still unquestable -- I bought my pages for 1.2g, turned in the quests, and got the hell out of there.

Given all that, I'm not surprised or angry about it in the least, this is EXACTLY what I predicted would happen in retail without a solid PvP system in place. I'm not going to be wrong about Battlegrounds, either.

CnCGOD · 03-08-2005, 06:54 PM

Yes because a twictch game is so similar to pvp in a MMORPG. In fact, the pvp in a MMORPG is much preferable because its not speed of twitch its what decisions you make.

Kodylan · 03-08-2005, 06:56 PM

I agree with Kolle. There should be a bigass room filled with nothing but bosses that are about as hard as VanCleef and drop 40-50 epic items each kill.

CnCGOD · 03-08-2005, 07:02 PM

What does that have to do with MC being a terrible zone? Its boreing, and not worth the effort. Raids can be fun, some in eq actualy were. MC reminds me of Plane of Earth or VT when your first learning it. Lame x1000.

James · 03-08-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by Kodylan
I agree with Kolle. There should be a bigass room filled with nothing but bosses that are about as hard as VanCleef and drop 40-50 epic items each kill.

No, but wouldn't it be cool to zone into a raid instance where every mob was instantly aggro on you, including the bosses, and you barely had time to drink and heal up between encounters? I imagine, if tuned properly, that would probably be the funnest, fastest, hardest, and greatest raid instance ever. I, for one, was expecting something on that level for WoW's raid game...instead, all we're given is more rehashed EQ shit with slight improvements here and there that are more tedius than 'oooh ahhh.'

beepbeepbeep · 03-08-2005, 07:15 PM

There was that WoW campaign map where you had Illidan in a cage, and you were fighting the naga or night elves or someone for control of the cage, to get him back to your base. I imagine something like that would be extremely fun. Almost like a battleground style event without other players, I suppose.

As much Warcraft 2 and 3 as I played, WoW feels different. I guess it's just missing the War part.

Kodylan · 03-08-2005, 07:17 PM

So basically you want a zonewide ring event? Would be interesting but even that would get old after a while.

03-08-2005, 05:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
CnCGOD Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 453 -16 Internets	Raid Content Gap Why is it that there is absolutely no raid content for the medium sized raid?s I know lots and lots of people who don't like being in 70man guilds just to be able to do something other than a 5man instance. Why is there no content for those guilds who like to raid with 20-25 people? This seems to be a vastly ignored segment of the wow population. I was always under the impression wow would have lots of content for this range and less for the massive raid zergs like in eq.

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03-08-2005, 05:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kolle Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,879 -26 Internets	I went on a MC raid awhile back with almost 40. I have to say it was some of the most boring shit I've experienced since EQ1 raiding. Yet another zone with massive trash spawns, huge hps bosses, and hours upon hours of time investment for a few rewards. There was absolutely nothing special about it. So far 40 man raids seem to be EQ1 v2, bugs, poor loot and all. I would love to see some 15-30 person content that goes beyond sending waves of mobs and killing tons of trash for a boss with 2 loots.

03-08-2005, 05:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
CnCGOD Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 453 -16 Internets	Yeah the fact that MC is one of the most boreing zones ever to do doesn't really make me want to give up a medium friendly guild just for hours of tedium and a slight loot upgrade. But now, our guild can't do anything togeather. Yes UBRS was trivial and starting to wear on us but damnit, we want to raid togeather!

03-08-2005, 05:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ziggurat Oldschool Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 296 +3 Internets	tigole mentioned they are aware of the gap between ubrs and mc/onyxia, and want to make some transitional content. I'm guessing that won't be implimented for many many months though.

03-08-2005, 05:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tuco Forum Janitor Join Date: May 2002 Location: Detroit Posts: 8,096 +14 Internets	battlegrounds > pvp rewards > 25-30 man content > 40 man content > 5 man content > under level 60 content.

03-08-2005, 06:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
CnCGOD Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 453 -16 Internets	Tuco, agreed 100%.

03-08-2005, 06:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
Duppin Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 4,183	http://www.counter-strike.net/

03-08-2005, 06:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
CnCGOD Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 453 -16 Internets	Yes because a twictch game is so similar to pvp in a MMORPG. In fact, the pvp in a MMORPG is much preferable because its not speed of twitch its what decisions you make.

03-08-2005, 06:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
Kodylan Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,042 +1 Internets	I agree with Kolle. There should be a bigass room filled with nothing but bosses that are about as hard as VanCleef and drop 40-50 epic items each kill.

03-08-2005, 07:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
CnCGOD Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 453 -16 Internets	What does that have to do with MC being a terrible zone? Its boreing, and not worth the effort. Raids can be fun, some in eq actualy were. MC reminds me of Plane of Earth or VT when your first learning it. Lame x1000.

03-08-2005, 07:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
beepbeepbeep is an honorable man Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,020 -1 Internets	There was that WoW campaign map where you had Illidan in a cage, and you were fighting the naga or night elves or someone for control of the cage, to get him back to your base. I imagine something like that would be extremely fun. Almost like a battleground style event without other players, I suppose. As much Warcraft 2 and 3 as I played, WoW feels different. I guess it's just missing the War part.

03-08-2005, 07:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
Kodylan Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,042 +1 Internets	So basically you want a zonewide ring event? Would be interesting but even that would get old after a while.