Int/Sta vs. Int/Spi, redux...

[Samus Aran]

Ok, I know in a thread a while back (about a week or so after the game was released), there was a thread talking about the usefullness (or lack thereof) of Spi.

I've been going the Int/Sta route, solely because of that thread.

So I want to bring back the discussion, now that people have had time to get to 60, maybe raid a little bit, and experiment with different stats: is the verdict still the same, does spirit still suck?

[Bizanich]

Not a single caster in my guild is going int/spi. Granted, we're on a PvP server, so HP uber alles..

[Zehn - Vhex]

Depends, if you're primarily a pvp player stamina > spirit in pretty much all cases.

For pve encounters, I'd highly recommend carrying a set of both, as well as various resist gear sets.

Stamina helps a bit more for normal encounters as mis-que's, AE's and temp agro all can wear you down pretty fast. Plus if your shits breaking you can switch out to your spirit set. For bosses with avoidable/non-existant AE's, spirit is better especially if you have the meditation talent.

As such, I've lost about 500 hp, but I regen an extra 18 mana with my gear switches as of late. which in longer fights helps me a bit more.

[findar]

int/spi is only viable if your a shadow priest.

after fiddling around with it and looking at the regen, the 100% regen goes on during casting and ignores the 5second rule.

otherwise, int/sta for life.

[Cybsled]

If you're a warlock and not going int/sta, you are on crack ;p

[yknits]

i play a warlock Steenkie on Hyjal. I went MOSTLY int/spi but have some STA. I am just under 50 and find that rarely have problems with mana before other casters in the group. Usually the priests, shamans and mages are the ones causing downtimes in instances. I RARELY run out of mana and its usually because I am using shadowburn rather than lifedrain+life tap cycle. So why should i screw myself in that department when other classes are still going to cause downtime? iI barely have 1890 hps but have 4200 mana unbuffed. I just dont understand if I RARELY have problems with mana why i am on CRACK. Have you ever thought that maybe a good balance of STA and SPI might be better than purely STA? you can only heal so much as a warlock, so how does the extra HP help you past a point of diminishing return before you need assistance of a healer in group wasting THEIR mana to help you regen?(massive run-on for a point) Personally i do not think my toon has the perfect balance yet but it works. Fine tuning will come.

BTW does anyone have a formula for the way regen is calculated from SPI during battle? Is it different than non-battle times? If not I would still like to see a formula that seems to work.

[Zarcath]

I've yet to play a game where regen made a difference.

[Sodami]

Originally posted by Zarcath
I've yet to play a game where regen made a difference.

Fungi on a lvl 30 monk for the win?

[Raytes]

Only time I can think of where regen really did make a huge difference was during SoL in EQ when monks were getting rediculous amounts of regen with AoB items and the like + mend and were able to solo AA's blazingly fast.

[Velael]

Flowing Thought made a pretty big difference in EQ. Or did you not play that game?

[Zeelah]

Originally posted by yknits
i play a warlock Steenkie on Hyjal. I went MOSTLY int/spi but have some STA. I am just under 50 and find that rarely have problems with mana before other casters in the group. Usually the priests, shamans and mages are the ones causing downtimes in instances. I RARELY run out of mana and its usually because I am using shadowburn rather than lifedrain+life tap cycle. So why should i screw myself in that department when other classes are still going to cause downtime? iI barely have 1890 hps but have 4200 mana unbuffed. I just dont understand if I RARELY have problems with mana why i am on CRACK. Have you ever thought that maybe a good balance of STA and SPI might be better than purely STA? you can only heal so much as a warlock, so how does the extra HP help you past a point of diminishing return before you need assistance of a healer in group wasting THEIR mana to help you regen?(massive run-on for a point) Personally i do not think my toon has the perfect balance yet but it works. Fine tuning will come.

BTW does anyone have a formula for the way regen is calculated from SPI during battle? Is it different than non-battle times? If not I would still like to see a formula that seems to work.

So what happens when you get an add in an area where fearing would cause other adds to aggro?

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by Velael
Flowing Thought made a pretty big difference in EQ. Or did you not play that game?

Not really. Wow you regen 3 extra mana? U WIN THE PRIZE

I mean u never saw lvl65 warrior walking around with fungi tunics.

[Samus Aran]

Mana regen made a huge difference in EQ, so potam brings up a valid question.

[NolwenSolRo]

The higher level you get, the more items for cloth casters seem to have int, spi, and sta (both dreadmist and devout armor sets have pretty good amounts of all three.) Spirit is good stuff, regening 90ish mana a tick at 300 spi is quite nice. However, spirit past 300 is utterly useless (something that makes spirit tap for a priest start to suck the higher level you get.) It seems to take something like 9 spi just to get 1 more point of mana regen past 300. My best suggestion is as you're leveling up, go for a mix, primarily int/sta w/ a bit of spirit mixed in. Come level 60, scholomance, brs, and stratholme you'll have 300 spi pretty easily when you get gear from there, as well as lots of int and pretty good sta. Though I can't speak for any other race besides human w/ the 300 spi thing. Because humans get a 5% bonus to spi its a little easier for us to reach that 300 mark and still have lots of int/sta.

[Stridar]

I have a lvl 60 Priest and mage in guild that now swear by Spi while PvE in high end instance. They've been in sta for 60 lvls and decided to test the difference. It makes a huge difference on downtime. They kept the sta gear for PvP, but during instances all of our casters are going to Spi.