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Old 01-04-2005, 10:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Fix Rogues targetting please

Problem: Sinister Strike targets the nearest target when you don't have a target.
Reason: When you are on raids and the target that you are assisting drops down from 5% to 0% and you have just pressed Sinister Strike, chances are you will hit a mezzed target and break mezz.

Problem: Eviscerate targets the nearest target when your target has just died.
Reason: When you are on raids and the target that you are assisting drops dead and you have just pressed Eviscerate, you still can execute Eviscerate on the nearest target. Similar to the Sinister Strike, chances are you will hit a mezzed target and break mezz. (I'm so gonna get yelled at cuz of this nerf, but sorry guys it sucks on raids.)

Problem: /assist doesn't work when on Stealth mode.
Reason: Obvious.

Problem: Rogues combo points dissappear when feared because fear clears your target.
Reason: Being feared doesn't mean I have to automatically switch targets. There is currently a way to avoid this however.

Problem (non-rogue): /say doesn't work when feared (Sometimes or all the time? It's not working for me.)
Reason: No difference between /say and /raid so no reason to disallow /say when feared.

It's kinda fun cuz on all the raids I have been to the only ones that break mezzes are, you guessed it, rogues.
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Old 01-04-2005, 11:12 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You must be stupid, because none of the rogues in my guild have problems breaking mez. Perhaps you should try not mashing buttons as fast as you can, and WATCH THE MOB'S HP?
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Old 01-04-2005, 12:59 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Doesn't hitting any attack (including auto attack) automatically target the closest mob if you don't have a target?
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Old 01-04-2005, 02:12 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 01-04-2005, 02:15 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I always get the closest nearby target if I hit auto attack. If nothing is nearby I get "There is nothing to attack". I sort of like it. I find it can be handy, but you have to watch yourself with sheeped or shackled stuff around, obviously.....
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Old 01-04-2005, 02:17 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Fix Rogues targetting please

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Originally posted by chimbumban
Problem: Sinister Strike targets the nearest target when you don't have a target.
Reason: When you are on raids and the target that you are assisting drops down from 5% to 0% and you have just pressed Sinister Strike, chances are you will hit a mezzed target and break mezz.

Problem: Eviscerate targets the nearest target when your target has just died.
Reason: When you are on raids and the target that you are assisting drops dead and you have just pressed Eviscerate, you still can execute Eviscerate on the nearest target. Similar to the Sinister Strike, chances are you will hit a mezzed target and break mezz. (I'm so gonna get yelled at cuz of this nerf, but sorry guys it sucks on raids.)

Problem: /assist doesn't work when on Stealth mode.
Reason: Obvious.

Problem: Rogues combo points dissappear when feared because fear clears your target.
Reason: Being feared doesn't mean I have to automatically switch targets. There is currently a way to avoid this however.

Problem (non-rogue): /say doesn't work when feared (Sometimes or all the time? It's not working for me.)
Reason: No difference between /say and /raid so no reason to disallow /say when feared.

It's kinda fun cuz on all the raids I have been to the only ones that break mezzes are, you guessed it, rogues.
Hitting "T", my attack key, does target the nearest mob and start attacking it for me and I don't use an external UI.

I like the way this works, one less button for me to press to start attacking. I find it usually selects the proper target for me everytime.

I've found, and its not the easiest thing to do, that when I'm feared if I can target the mob I was on again as my first target after a fear, i will still maintain all combo points. Try it.

The best is when you are pvp against a hunter, he feigns and his pet hits you causing your target to change to his pet and you get to lose all combo points. That's fun!
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Old 01-04-2005, 03:11 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Hunters don't need to FD to mess up rogues. They have an ability (I think it's Scatter shot...maybe concusive) that confuses target for 4 seconds or something; the upshot is that you lose your target. I had a hunter do this to me and I lost all my combo points.

BTW Does anyone know how this all works? If the CPs are stored server side, doesn't that mean that your client would have to communicate with the server every time you targeted something so the server would know whether or not you cleared the points by losing your target?
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Old 01-04-2005, 04:42 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Hunters don't need to FD to mess up rogues. They have an ability (I think it's Scatter shot...maybe concusive) that confuses target for 4 seconds or something; the upshot is that you lose your target. I had a hunter do this to me and I lost all my combo points.

BTW Does anyone know how this all works? If the CPs are stored server side, doesn't that mean that your client would have to communicate with the server every time you targeted something so the server would know whether or not you cleared the points by losing your target?
With the pet thing, my target changed on me, even though I didn't want it to. I hit T to attack the downed hunter and i was on the pet...

I haven't tried to regain my combo points with confuse, but i do it all the time with fear.
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Old 01-04-2005, 04:46 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Fix Rogues targetting please

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Originally posted by chimbumban
Problem: Sinister Strike targets the nearest target when you don't have a target.
Reason: When you are on raids and the target that you are assisting drops down from 5% to 0% and you have just pressed Sinister Strike, chances are you will hit a mezzed target and break mezz.

Problem: Eviscerate targets the nearest target when your target has just died.
Reason: When you are on raids and the target that you are assisting drops dead and you have just pressed Eviscerate, you still can execute Eviscerate on the nearest target. Similar to the Sinister Strike, chances are you will hit a mezzed target and break mezz. (I'm so gonna get yelled at cuz of this nerf, but sorry guys it sucks on raids.)

Problem: /assist doesn't work when on Stealth mode.
Reason: Obvious.

Problem: Rogues combo points dissappear when feared because fear clears your target.
Reason: Being feared doesn't mean I have to automatically switch targets. There is currently a way to avoid this however.

Problem (non-rogue): /say doesn't work when feared (Sometimes or all the time? It's not working for me.)
Reason: No difference between /say and /raid so no reason to disallow /say when feared.

It's kinda fun cuz on all the raids I have been to the only ones that break mezzes are, you guessed it, rogues.
Solution: Deal with it like every other class in the game.

Solution: See above

Solution: Needs fixing even though its not a big issue.

Solution: Get higher resistances. Combo points are COMBO points. They are meant to go away when you stop attacking your target. GTFO it.

Soultion: Use raid/group/shout/yell/etc. Say dosent work when your dead either. Its the way it works just use a different channel jesus.

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Old 01-04-2005, 05:12 PM   #10 (permalink)
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The only problem I want to see fixed is to not lose combo points if I accidently say click on a PC while in combat or a far away monsters. That is as long as I dont swing my weapon at that monster etc.. if that happens then yeah, all combo point should be lost.
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Old 01-04-2005, 06:54 PM   #11 (permalink)
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With the pet thing, my target changed on me, even though I didn't want it to. I hit T to attack the downed hunter and i was on the pet...

I haven't tried to regain my combo points with confuse, but i do it all the time with fear.
How? For this fight I clicked on him about 1 second later (the confuse was broken by damage from either him or his pet) and I was at 0. I remember specifically because I had just hit 5 and was waiting 2 seconds to get the energy for evisc.

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The only problem I want to see fixed is to not lose combo points if I accidently say click on a PC while in combat or a far away monsters. That is as long as I dont swing my weapon at that monster etc.. if that happens then yeah, all combo point should be lost.
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Old 01-04-2005, 07:17 PM   #12 (permalink)
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/assist doesn't work when on Stealth mode.
Eh? Did this change with the patch or something? In the past (read, last patch) I had no problems using assist while stealthed.

Losing combo points when feared sucks but you can usually get them back... but yeah, I see no reason to lose your target when you are feared/confused.

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The only problem I want to see fixed is to not lose combo points if I accidently say click on a PC while in combat or a far away monsters.
Not sure if this is what you are talking about, but very frequently when I Cheap Shot/Ambush a mob, I will not get the combo points. At first, I thought I was just click happy so tried it with cursor keys and get the same thing. Doesn't happen a lot... about once every 15-20 mobs. Still very annoying.
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Old 01-04-2005, 08:22 PM   #13 (permalink)
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You know I've been noticing that a lot recently. I cheap shot the vast majority of mobs (and people) I fight, and in the past few days I end up with 1 point instead of 3 after my initial SS. The CS lands, too...the mobs are stunned, but no combo points show up.
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Old 01-04-2005, 10:31 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Using fear/poly to clear a rogue's combo points is one of the few defenses cloth casters have against them
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Old 01-05-2005, 07:33 AM   #15 (permalink)
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You know I've been noticing that a lot recently. I cheap shot the vast majority of mobs (and people) I fight, and in the past few days I end up with 1 point instead of 3 after my initial SS. The CS lands, too...the mobs are stunned, but no combo points show up.
It's a known issue that has been reported on the Blizz forums - I haven't seen any ETA on a fix but it isn't a major game-breaker or anything, just an annoyance.
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