EQ2 death system

Goanad · 11-08-2004, 02:35 PM

What ever happened to that abortion of an idea wherein death of one person in a group is evenly distributed via exp debt to the other groupmembers?

This shit go live or go away like it should have?

Jerrith · 11-08-2004, 03:03 PM

Went live, and from what I've seen, it works. If someone keeps dying, get rid of them. The amount of debt you get from a single death of another player is very small, and quickly worked off in something like 3-4 encounters.

Vaclav · 11-08-2004, 03:09 PM

Went live and it's actually really good - most people like it since it's really actually trivially easy to fix with a group since it's shared.

If you group with a complete retard I guess it could get bad, but that just encourages ya to group with competent people.

Goanad · 11-08-2004, 03:37 PM

Another thing I wanted to ask about was whether or not a cleric who dies can run back and ress himself?

I read something or another about once you hit release like in lineage, the death is unressable?

Nevergone · 11-08-2004, 03:44 PM

Priests can be rezzed by each other. During beta, there were items that a priest could summon and then give to other group members as an activatable rez. I'm not sure if those went live though.

As far as unrezzable death goes, I don't think there are any ways to circumvent the death penalty. You always gain debt, and your items always take durability damage. The only thing ressurect does is save you the hassle of running back to the place you died. This might change at higher levels with more potent rezzes, but I'm not sure.

Zevus · 11-08-2004, 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by Vaclav
Went live and it's actually really good - most people like it since it's really actually trivially easy to fix with a group since it's shared.

If you group with a complete retard I guess it could get bad, but that just encourages ya to group with competent people.

The answer would be no, but there's no reason to want to res yourself after you've returned to your spirit shard anyway.

Vaclav · 11-08-2004, 03:48 PM

Those ress items were in the beta on last day of beta - my local Gamestop isn't getting it in until tomorrow, so no idea if they're live or not for sure, but I see no reason why not.

Goanad · 11-08-2004, 03:56 PM

The reason I asked the second question indeed focused on the more potent cleric rezzes that are sure to come with more levels. Certainly newbie clerics can't expect to get back any significant amount of exp more than any other similarly leveled player.

But at the higher levels, there simply cannot be a double standard wherein a cleric can rezz for a percentage of exp recovered for other but never himself. Why would you ever be a cleric if everytime shit hit the fan and you got buttraped at the higher levels, others could be rezzed for a much greater percent of their exp back than you could?

Zevus · 11-08-2004, 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by Goanad
The reason I asked the second question indeed focused on the more potent cleric rezzes that are sure to come with more levels. Certainly newbie clerics can't expect to get back any significant amount of exp more than any other similarly leveled player.

Well, they might appear to be "sure to come", but they don't. At least up to lvl 37.

Vaclav · 11-08-2004, 04:12 PM

No upgrades to rezzes that I've seen - I'll manually cut and paste an XLS of priest spells I have here later if I get bored.

Kalamos · 11-08-2004, 04:41 PM

There's no benefit to rezzing other than saving travel/clearing time. Running to your spirit shard (your body of all intents and purposes) and clicking it reduces your exp debt the same as getting a rez does. Priests get 2 rezzes their entire career. The first one received at a low level for non-combat only rezzes, and the second one around lvl 20ish which can be used in combat. Priests can (and will when the game goes live) target summon a click item to other players that allows them to rez a dead Priest. So say your group has 2 Priests and they both bite it, a Scout can go to stealth, run off to leash the mobs and clear aggro (if he gets lucky), then go back and rez a dead Priest to get the group up and running again.

ganthornx · 11-08-2004, 06:10 PM

also if you yell and release the encounter you are not longer considered in combat so as a group leader we had our priest die and we still had 1 mob left so i yelled, which made everyone regen like they werent in battle and i was able to res the priest as they fought and finish the mob (for no exp/loot) but to save the day with no other deaths

Jerrith · 11-08-2004, 08:36 PM

There are actually a couple variations on rez at the higher levels, with things like "Group Rez", but no rez spells in game reduce debt / restore exp.

Jait · 11-08-2004, 09:24 PM

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but no rez spells in game reduce debt / restore exp.

Yeah, though I wouldn't be surprised to see a line of spells added later for Scout classes to reduce the debt, a similiar system to AO's.

But in any event, the EQ1 days of: "Oh fuck, I ate a death now need to spend 10 hours levelling" are gone.

Nevergone · 11-08-2004, 10:37 PM

Eh, kind of. Debt is still experience lost, you just don't lose it as soon as you die. If you figure that you gain experience at a -50% rate until you earn 100xp, then you in effect have to earn 200xp, thereby flushing 100xp down the drain.

Why again can't we just lose the 100xp at the time of death? Right, the fear of deleveling characters. In that case, I could see a use for a debt system, but only in the event of a possible delevel.

11-08-2004, 02:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
Goanad Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Iraq Posts: 208 +0 Internets	EQ2 death system What ever happened to that abortion of an idea wherein death of one person in a group is evenly distributed via exp debt to the other groupmembers? This shit go live or go away like it should have?

11-08-2004, 03:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jerrith Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 133 +3 Internets	Went live, and from what I've seen, it works. If someone keeps dying, get rid of them. The amount of debt you get from a single death of another player is very small, and quickly worked off in something like 3-4 encounters. __________________ Jerrith Healerson - 65th level Cleric - EQ1 50th level Bard - Vanguard

11-08-2004, 06:10 PM	#12 (permalink)
ganthornx Sexy Bish Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 270 -1 Internets	also if you yell and release the encounter you are not longer considered in combat so as a group leader we had our priest die and we still had 1 mob left so i yelled, which made everyone regen like they werent in battle and i was able to res the priest as they fought and finish the mob (for no exp/loot) but to save the day with no other deaths __________________

11-08-2004, 08:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
Jerrith Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 133 +3 Internets	There are actually a couple variations on rez at the higher levels, with things like "Group Rez", but no rez spells in game reduce debt / restore exp. __________________ Jerrith Healerson - 65th level Cleric - EQ1 50th level Bard - Vanguard

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11-08-2004, 03:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
Vaclav Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,027 +0 Internets	Went live and it's actually really good - most people like it since it's really actually trivially easy to fix with a group since it's shared. If you group with a complete retard I guess it could get bad, but that just encourages ya to group with competent people.

11-08-2004, 03:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
Goanad Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Iraq Posts: 208 +0 Internets	Another thing I wanted to ask about was whether or not a cleric who dies can run back and ress himself? I read something or another about once you hit release like in lineage, the death is unressable?

11-08-2004, 03:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
Nevergone Is Not A Happy Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 566 +0 Internets	Priests can be rezzed by each other. During beta, there were items that a priest could summon and then give to other group members as an activatable rez. I'm not sure if those went live though. As far as unrezzable death goes, I don't think there are any ways to circumvent the death penalty. You always gain debt, and your items always take durability damage. The only thing ressurect does is save you the hassle of running back to the place you died. This might change at higher levels with more potent rezzes, but I'm not sure.

11-08-2004, 03:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
Vaclav Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,027 +0 Internets	Those ress items were in the beta on last day of beta - my local Gamestop isn't getting it in until tomorrow, so no idea if they're live or not for sure, but I see no reason why not.

11-08-2004, 03:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
Goanad Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Iraq Posts: 208 +0 Internets	The reason I asked the second question indeed focused on the more potent cleric rezzes that are sure to come with more levels. Certainly newbie clerics can't expect to get back any significant amount of exp more than any other similarly leveled player. But at the higher levels, there simply cannot be a double standard wherein a cleric can rezz for a percentage of exp recovered for other but never himself. Why would you ever be a cleric if everytime shit hit the fan and you got buttraped at the higher levels, others could be rezzed for a much greater percent of their exp back than you could?

11-08-2004, 04:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
Vaclav Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,027 +0 Internets	No upgrades to rezzes that I've seen - I'll manually cut and paste an XLS of priest spells I have here later if I get bored.

11-08-2004, 04:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
Kalamos Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 38 +0 Internets	There's no benefit to rezzing other than saving travel/clearing time. Running to your spirit shard (your body of all intents and purposes) and clicking it reduces your exp debt the same as getting a rez does. Priests get 2 rezzes their entire career. The first one received at a low level for non-combat only rezzes, and the second one around lvl 20ish which can be used in combat. Priests can (and will when the game goes live) target summon a click item to other players that allows them to rez a dead Priest. So say your group has 2 Priests and they both bite it, a Scout can go to stealth, run off to leash the mobs and clear aggro (if he gets lucky), then go back and rez a dead Priest to get the group up and running again.

11-08-2004, 10:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
Nevergone Is Not A Happy Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 566 +0 Internets	Eh, kind of. Debt is still experience lost, you just don't lose it as soon as you die. If you figure that you gain experience at a -50% rate until you earn 100xp, then you in effect have to earn 200xp, thereby flushing 100xp down the drain. Why again can't we just lose the 100xp at the time of death? Right, the fear of deleveling characters. In that case, I could see a use for a debt system, but only in the event of a possible delevel.