Pick Up Raid against Ragnaros

Bizanich · 11-08-2004, 05:49 AM

A friend got sucked into a pickup raid to go into the Molten Core....he's not a hardcore raider, don't know if he ever played Everquest, so take his words with that in mind.

"So I log on to check things out with the new talents and I immediately get invited in the first full raid group I've been in. The mission: Kill Ragnaros, the tier 2 raid boss.

Summary of what happened:

He's in the "molten core" just past the 7 dwarves in BRD. We had a safe spot to zone in but the next area had 7 mobs that we could see. 3 Level 62 fire giants, and 4 level 61 fire elems. The raid party consisted of FORTY level 60's.

We pulled 2 fire giants (linked). Whole party wiped. No exaggeration. From 2 mobs.

We rez/ pull again, and kill 1 of the 2. Whole party wiped. The last person to die got the killing blow.

Rez again, and pull a fire elem. A single fire elem. It split into 13 level 60 fire elems.

Whole party wiped. Thats all we did.

Having said that, people in the raid mentioned the Onyxia was supposed to be farmed repeatedly in order to do this one."

Sorran · 11-08-2004, 05:57 AM

Some more info in this post on the official boards:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...p=1#post535211

Cheers,

Sorran.

fuvi513 · 11-08-2004, 05:59 AM

that actually sounds fun. wow needs a good challenge. I haven't tried rag yet, but anything difficult at this point sounds promising to me.

however, while I can understand onyxia needing to be farmed to put people on the appropriate level gear-wise to do the encounter, that's a problem because the npc vendor isn't there for onyxia and the quest is so long (so i've been told) and it's nyi yet.

oh and something is bugged with the ghost room last I heard this morning, so meh.

xilsharn · 11-08-2004, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bizanich
A friend got sucked into a pickup raid to go into the Molten Core....he's not a hardcore raider, don't know if he ever played Everquest, so take his words with that in mind.

"So I log on to check things out with the new talents and I immediately get invited in the first full raid group I've been in. The mission: Kill Ragnaros, the tier 2 raid boss.

Summary of what happened:

He's in the "molten core" just past the 7 dwarves in BRD. We had a safe spot to zone in but the next area had 7 mobs that we could see. 3 Level 62 fire giants, and 4 level 61 fire elems. The raid party consisted of FORTY level 60's.

We pulled 2 fire giants (linked). Whole party wiped. No exaggeration. From 2 mobs.

We rez/ pull again, and kill 1 of the 2. Whole party wiped. The last person to die got the killing blow.

Rez again, and pull a fire elem. A single fire elem. It split into 13 level 60 fire elems.

Whole party wiped. Thats all we did.

Having said that, people in the raid mentioned the Onyxia was supposed to be farmed repeatedly in order to do this one."

I hate to be a partypooper, but sounds like your friend HASN'T ever played EQ if he's surprised about a raid getting wiped out by 2 mobs.

Also, what's the gripe here? Or is there one? I am inclined to think there's some element of complaining since there are no praises for the encounter, no spoilers, no tips, no screenshots, so the only thing remaining is a gripe. Or a useless post.

Anwyay, if it is a gripe, so what? So they took a raid to kill a mob they weren't ready for, by their own admission. If they want to win, go farm Onyxia. I don't mean to be vitriolic, just offering my 2 bits on your friend's statements.

Gar · 11-08-2004, 06:03 AM

I sense shitty pickup raid that had no idea what they were doign in the first place. Like, how was the healing set up? Who kept the MT up and who healed the dps dealers? How did you plan to controll the adds? Who was on assist? Did your group setup make any sense?

Now that the game got lil bit tough, let the whining beging.

Bizanich · 11-08-2004, 06:07 AM

I have no doubt it was a shitty pickup raid that had no idea what they were doing

.

I thought it was a good thing they got r0x0red instead of being able to zerg through. And I have no gripe, just posting a tale in the hope to incite discussion.

I have no secret l33t agenda.

Sorran · 11-08-2004, 06:09 AM

That reminds me of something I've been meaning to make a post about:

Hypothetical situation: WoW raid cotent is Hard(tm) - and I agree, a random pickup raid on untested raid content is hardly a barometer of the raid content in general

. Given the relative ease with which the casual player base will reach level 60 in WoW, do you think it likely WoW's raid content will stay difficult and, presumably, out of reach of the more casual gamers (until perhaps an expansion or two down the road), or do you think Blizzard might have to give into "pressure" from their casual player base (which, I think it's fair to say, will be massive) and tone down the raid content for the masses?

Cheers,

Sorran.

Arbuste · 11-08-2004, 07:20 AM

That's just an un-biased report on the first pick-up raid in WoW. That I know of. And it's quite interesting.
They got humiliated, but I would have been worried if the first *pick-up* raid ever had succeeded easily.

Soriak · 11-08-2004, 07:31 AM

Sounds challenging - I wonder if the number of adds spawned depends on how many people you have in the raid... dead to zerging.

findar · 11-08-2004, 07:34 AM

ive thrown 60+ at vox and still got clobbered due to bad strats

ive thrown 140+ at gorenaire and got wasted.

trust me, pickup raids are stupid.

and sorran, id imagine later on they will add quests that can get the earlier tier raid loot. key word later.

edit: fuck bnet can be funny

Quote:

That's proof that the alliance is a bunch of zergers. Horde managed to get just as far (wipe on first pull) with only 16.

edit2:
god damn you can gleam a lot about their failures from the screenshots. notice in the last whipe how a lot of em had 1/3 less hp... either they ghetto tried to AE or no one was calling targets(a well organized raid can have split tank/healers... but im seeing this as a needing 8-10 tanks kinda thing)

edit3: haha shit, all the lava spawns cast fireball.

Ham n Cheese · 11-08-2004, 07:36 AM

Good to see there might actually be something challenging about the game.

Soriak · 11-08-2004, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by findar
edit: fuck bnet can be funny
quote:That's proof that the alliance is a bunch of zergers. Horde managed to get just as far (wipe on first pull) with only 16.

Woah, could it be Sam da Man? 16 people botting 3 chars each are still only 16 people - and they died on the same pull than the other group, so they're clearly superior. But the real question is - who did more DPS?

findar · 11-08-2004, 07:41 AM

haha more cool info;

read the post about the "epic armor peice"

part 1/8 of a set. im guessing itll be ala D2, where if u get a set, u hulk out. this makes me happy.

Vinen · 11-08-2004, 09:56 AM

Awsome, happy that pickup raids failed like they should.

Samus Aran · 11-08-2004, 10:22 AM

boys stand over there please.

11-08-2004, 05:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
Bizanich Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,606 -1 Internets	Pick Up Raid against Ragnaros A friend got sucked into a pickup raid to go into the Molten Core....he's not a hardcore raider, don't know if he ever played Everquest, so take his words with that in mind. "So I log on to check things out with the new talents and I immediately get invited in the first full raid group I've been in. The mission: Kill Ragnaros, the tier 2 raid boss. Summary of what happened: He's in the "molten core" just past the 7 dwarves in BRD. We had a safe spot to zone in but the next area had 7 mobs that we could see. 3 Level 62 fire giants, and 4 level 61 fire elems. The raid party consisted of FORTY level 60's. We pulled 2 fire giants (linked). Whole party wiped. No exaggeration. From 2 mobs. We rez/ pull again, and kill 1 of the 2. Whole party wiped. The last person to die got the killing blow. Rez again, and pull a fire elem. A single fire elem. It split into 13 level 60 fire elems. Whole party wiped. Thats all we did. Having said that, people in the raid mentioned the Onyxia was supposed to be farmed repeatedly in order to do this one."

11-08-2004, 06:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
Gar euro-bastard, sorry for the typos. :-p Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 256 +0 Internets	I sense shitty pickup raid that had no idea what they were doign in the first place. Like, how was the healing set up? Who kept the MT up and who healed the dps dealers? How did you plan to controll the adds? Who was on assist? Did your group setup make any sense? Now that the game got lil bit tough, let the whining beging. __________________ -- yeah right.

11-08-2004, 07:41 AM	#13 (permalink)
findar Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,322 -2 Internets	haha more cool info; read the post about the "epic armor peice" part 1/8 of a set. im guessing itll be ala D2, where if u get a set, u hulk out. this makes me happy. __________________ -its clobbering time

11-08-2004, 09:56 AM	#14 (permalink)
Vinen A Cat is Fine Too Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Not in fucking Acton, MA anymore! Posts: 2,895	Awsome, happy that pickup raids failed like they should. __________________ Vinna, Feral Druid, Stormrage Server Len, Disciple of Khaine, Averheim Server Hope is not a strategy

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11-08-2004, 05:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
Sorran Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 319 -1 Internets	Some more info in this post on the official boards: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...p=1#post535211 Cheers, Sorran.

11-08-2004, 05:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
fuvi513 what the fuck Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: 619 Posts: 154 +0 Internets	that actually sounds fun. wow needs a good challenge. I haven't tried rag yet, but anything difficult at this point sounds promising to me. however, while I can understand onyxia needing to be farmed to put people on the appropriate level gear-wise to do the encounter, that's a problem because the npc vendor isn't there for onyxia and the quest is so long (so i've been told) and it's nyi yet. oh and something is bugged with the ghost room last I heard this morning, so meh.

11-08-2004, 06:07 AM	#6 (permalink)
Bizanich Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,606 -1 Internets	I have no doubt it was a shitty pickup raid that had no idea what they were doing . I thought it was a good thing they got r0x0red instead of being able to zerg through. And I have no gripe, just posting a tale in the hope to incite discussion. I have no secret l33t agenda.

11-08-2004, 06:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
Sorran Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 319 -1 Internets	That reminds me of something I've been meaning to make a post about: Hypothetical situation: WoW raid cotent is Hard(tm) - and I agree, a random pickup raid on untested raid content is hardly a barometer of the raid content in general . Given the relative ease with which the casual player base will reach level 60 in WoW, do you think it likely WoW's raid content will stay difficult and, presumably, out of reach of the more casual gamers (until perhaps an expansion or two down the road), or do you think Blizzard might have to give into "pressure" from their casual player base (which, I think it's fair to say, will be massive) and tone down the raid content for the masses? Cheers, Sorran.

11-08-2004, 07:20 AM	#8 (permalink)
Arbuste Smithers, this calls for the league of Evil! Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 781 +0 Internets	That's just an un-biased report on the first pick-up raid in WoW. That I know of. And it's quite interesting. They got humiliated, but I would have been worried if the first pick-up raid ever had succeeded easily.

11-08-2004, 07:31 AM	#9 (permalink)
Soriak Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 4,808 +32 Internets	Sounds challenging - I wonder if the number of adds spawned depends on how many people you have in the raid... dead to zerging.

11-08-2004, 07:36 AM	#11 (permalink)
Ham n Cheese You can betray me Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 8,689 +20 Internets	Good to see there might actually be something challenging about the game.

11-08-2004, 10:22 AM	#15 (permalink)
Samus Aran Sons of the Storm Heal Bitch Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 771 +1 Internets	boys stand over there please.