Would you pay for WoW today? - Page 4

The Bog · 06-19-2004, 06:40 AM

I'm in silverpine at this very moment, and I fully agree. I don't like the barrens though, it's too lion king for my liking.

cilikosis · 06-19-2004, 06:41 AM

*slaps forehead*

Fall in line, lemmings.

FoghornDeadhorn · 06-19-2004, 06:47 AM

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Originally posted by Jadaki
Microsoft doesn't even support 98 and ME is a pile of shit.

Holy shit, ME, goddamn, Blizzard didn't test on ME? OK I'm probably being overasshole on that but Jesus there are so many reasons to upgrade from ME... As for '98, I didn't know people still used that for gaming, I thought most of the newer 3D games required more modern OS calls.

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Anywho, the change was weird, but I really, really like the horde too. Probably more than the alliance, in some ways.

It's not too late, if you made a dwarf tomorrow we'd be only five levels apart

But yeah, I'll be bummed if circumstances cause me to go Alliance at launch because I got really attached to Lordaeron. It feels like my hometown. Teldrassil...well, what can I say? I always loved the screenshots, but in reality as a Packers fan I have a deep hatred of purple. It's going to be an awesome place to see raided though, they have an interesting variety of sentinels in the city. Don't get me wrong, I think it's awesome looking, but I just came from Lordaeron. I'm having serious hue shock.

As a note, to anyone who has been to Shadowfang, it's the funniest goddamn thing to see "Pyrewood is under attack!" in your chat window. Yeah, lemme just run over and defend that...then...riiiiiight....

[Edit] Silverpine is THE SHIT.

The Bog · 06-19-2004, 06:49 AM

One thng that does piss me off about WoW is the random agro at the lower levels. You seem to get a fucking conga line of grizzly bears when you go to grab a herb, it sucks.

xilsharn · 06-19-2004, 06:51 AM

Yeah I don't want to jump on the "upgrade omg" bandwagon either, but seriously it's not a valid complaint that a game company isn't testing games for an OS that the manufacturer no longer relases patches or updates for, and provides no support.

I understand you being frustrated, but I think anger at Blizzard is inappropriate. That's like getting mad WoW isn't 16-bit so it won't run on DOS.

Kildace · 06-19-2004, 06:56 AM

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Originally posted by The Bog
One thng that does piss me off about WoW is the random agro at the lower levels. You seem to get a fucking conga line of grizzly bears when you go to grab a herb, it sucks.

Oh yes, that sucks, and that never stopped for me, my 18 shaman still aggroed everything in sight in the newbie zones ...

Lin · 06-19-2004, 07:31 AM

As for '98, I didn't know people still used that for gaming, I thought most of the newer 3D games required more modern OS calls.

98 is the same thing as XP and has DirectX 9. I was using 98se on my gaming machine until recently. Unless you're doing .net development, need half-assed user accounts or are just too lazy to download a real firewall and want to use the one the OS gives you then 98se and XP are identical. Oh, except XP is crashing on me where 98 had finally given in and had been stable for over a year.

Fulorian · 06-19-2004, 07:54 AM

When I said 98, I meant the whole line, including Win 98 SE, which is what I'm running. People who go 'omfg you don't have the latest microsoft OS omg you fail at LIFE fag' need to wake up. Lots of people can't drop 300 dollars every time MS changes a few settings and repackages their old OS as a new one. Win 98 SE is not much older than Windows 2000, and Win 2k was a piece of crap, and frankly, XP needed more fixes before I planned to buy it.

Last I checked, Microsoft does still support Win 98 SE. I actually upgraded from Windows ME to 98 SE about a year and a half ago, which demonstrates what a steaming pile ME was. But a VERY large amount of people still use 98 SE. You'd be very surprised.

Turzem · 06-19-2004, 08:39 AM

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98 is the same thing as XP and has DirectX 9.

My god the ignorance.

Deathwing · 06-19-2004, 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by Lin
As for '98, I didn't know people still used that for gaming, I thought most of the newer 3D games required more modern OS calls.

98 is the same thing as XP and has DirectX 9. I was using 98se on my gaming machine until recently. Unless you're doing .net development, need half-assed user accounts or are just too lazy to download a real firewall and want to use the one the OS gives you then 98se and XP are identical. Oh, except XP is crashing on me where 98 had finally given in and had been stable for over a year.

God damn, you're fucking stupid. XP was built of some sort of hybrid NT and 98 kernel, much like 2000. There's a world of difference between the two.

Fulorian, you go to college? You can probably pick up XP cheap, legally.

Rhaje · 06-19-2004, 09:31 AM

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Mages are bitching over small nerfs and one type of spell being bugged when they were tied with Warlocks for most overpowered class in the game, way above the others. Though none of the Mages I've actually grouped with have complained, still love that class, sleep and high ass dps rocks.

No, there are two types of people. The first being the "if you don't change this, i'm quitting, zomg" crowd, and the people who knew it was coming. Then there are those who actually play the game and know there are changes coming.

Mages were insane (at least PvE). They (IMO) recieved far less a beating than they should have, but mostly I think this is a direct result of how crazy good sleep is.

All in all, if you group with at least one more more people, mages are actually far better now in groups.

The only complaint I could even remotely come up with would be the ninja-stealth-blink removal. Blink was so nice, no idea why they removed it... (PvP reasons maybe?)

Zhoup WP · 06-19-2004, 09:46 AM

plus not only did they slightly nerf cripple poison.. but now
theres an elite quest to get it that from what i hear is broken

given how integral poisons are to rogues i hope that is fixed
as pvp won't be the same without it.

Elgonn · 06-19-2004, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by Sean
And Thorns? Yeah, they upped the mana, but they also upped the damage on em, not a nerf by any means.

Can anyone give a reason for removing axes? Did anyone even request it? This just stupidly removed some weapon availability. Was Ravager too much DPS (with Soulkeeper around)?

They did nerf Thorns. Large mana cost increase and damage reduction. What increase?

Thorns (rank 3) 10 damage (pre-patch)
Thorns (rank 4) 14 damage (pre-patch)
Thorns (rank 3) 9 damage
Thorns (rank 4) 13 damage
Thorns (rank 5) 15 damage (Level 44?)

Admittedly they made it so you can now run away with it up so at least some upside.

The changes to heals was nice and shapeshifting forms got a boost as well. Truly Druids in the end got a good deal out of this patch (well except Tranquility).

Global Downsides:
No autoloot. (I can deal without autocast. But who is masicistic enough to fish now?)

New resist system (only noticeable effect is that low level mobs resist now to the point that it isn't worth the mana to harm them when you can kill a mob 6 levels higher with the same effort. At least before low level mobs almost never resisted.)

Autoskilling (What lazy ass decided this? Why even have skill now when what weapon skills are the only thing that has to be worked on now? Maybe some hard or annoying skill deserved this.)

Lack of major patch features (Hunter was known to be canned for months before the patch so how people are missing him I have no clue. But talents and auction houses are a big loss considering they were the two largest additions that were going to go in but didn't. Also mail without auction system is rather pointless.)

Channeling (Was it broken last patch? Yes. You could channel through silence or sleep etc.. Does channeling need to break when getting hit for 1? God no. War3 system is perfect.)

Global mob upgrade + New Rest system + no talents + patch changes makes those levels that were rather difficult last push even more annoying (usually the levels right before the next rank of something important, remember to group).

No new skills of any kind (Now that skills all the way to 60 show up at trainers there is not a damn new skill of any kind for any class.)

Horribly incomplete patch notes.

People could post pages on each class change.

Lin · 06-19-2004, 10:13 AM

God damn, you're fucking stupid. XP was built of some sort of hybrid NT and 98 kernel, much like 2000. There's a world of difference between the two.

I'm a software developer you flaming moron. Unless you're using some specific technologies you're presented with the same interface for XP as with 98. It's why your "world of difference" OS runs everything 98 does. If you're a DRIVER developer there are difference (in which case it looks like 2k) but on the software API side not a fuck of a lot has changed. Backward compatiblity with 98se is trivial.

Grayson Carlyle · 06-19-2004, 10:50 AM

I won't ever believe anyone who says XP is buggy.

98 was the mother of all bug-fuckups. ME being a shit-faced version of 98, its even worse. 95 is a better platform than 98. 2k and NT faily decent pieces of software, XP close behind. I've never had XP crash. I get an occasional application crash, but that's not the OS' fault.

Yes, none of them are as stable as most Linux cores, but I'd never use Linux for gaming.

The only reason to not be playing on XP is the cost. But I don't know anyone who actually owns a legal copy of XP anyway.

06-19-2004, 06:40 AM	#46 (permalink)
The Bog The troll who sold the world Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: State College, PA Posts: 2,706 +1 Internets	I'm in silverpine at this very moment, and I fully agree. I don't like the barrens though, it's too lion king for my liking. __________________ Bogfather - Blood Elf Rogue, Aerie Peak

06-19-2004, 06:49 AM	#49 (permalink)
The Bog The troll who sold the world Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: State College, PA Posts: 2,706 +1 Internets	One thng that does piss me off about WoW is the random agro at the lower levels. You seem to get a fucking conga line of grizzly bears when you go to grab a herb, it sucks. __________________ Bogfather - Blood Elf Rogue, Aerie Peak

06-19-2004, 07:54 AM	#53 (permalink)
Fulorian Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 369 -1 Internets	When I said 98, I meant the whole line, including Win 98 SE, which is what I'm running. People who go 'omfg you don't have the latest microsoft OS omg you fail at LIFE fag' need to wake up. Lots of people can't drop 300 dollars every time MS changes a few settings and repackages their old OS as a new one. Win 98 SE is not much older than Windows 2000, and Win 2k was a piece of crap, and frankly, XP needed more fixes before I planned to buy it. Last I checked, Microsoft does still support Win 98 SE. I actually upgraded from Windows ME to 98 SE about a year and a half ago, which demonstrates what a steaming pile ME was. But a VERY large amount of people still use 98 SE. You'd be very surprised. Last edited by Fulorian; 06-19-2004 at 07:57 AM..

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06-19-2004, 06:41 AM	#47 (permalink)
cilikosis Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 8 +0 Internets	slaps forehead Fall in line, lemmings.

06-19-2004, 06:51 AM	#50 (permalink)
xilsharn Definitely a chick Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,749 -4 Internets	Yeah I don't want to jump on the "upgrade omg" bandwagon either, but seriously it's not a valid complaint that a game company isn't testing games for an OS that the manufacturer no longer relases patches or updates for, and provides no support. I understand you being frustrated, but I think anger at Blizzard is inappropriate. That's like getting mad WoW isn't 16-bit so it won't run on DOS.

06-19-2004, 07:31 AM	#52 (permalink)
Lin Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 918 -12 Internets	As for '98, I didn't know people still used that for gaming, I thought most of the newer 3D games required more modern OS calls. 98 is the same thing as XP and has DirectX 9. I was using 98se on my gaming machine until recently. Unless you're doing .net development, need half-assed user accounts or are just too lazy to download a real firewall and want to use the one the OS gives you then 98se and XP are identical. Oh, except XP is crashing on me where 98 had finally given in and had been stable for over a year.

06-19-2004, 09:46 AM	#57 (permalink)
Zhoup WP Fires of Heaven Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bay Area Posts: 31 +0 Internets	plus not only did they slightly nerf cripple poison.. but now theres an elite quest to get it that from what i hear is broken given how integral poisons are to rogues i hope that is fixed as pvp won't be the same without it.

06-19-2004, 10:13 AM	#59 (permalink)
Lin Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 918 -12 Internets	God damn, you're fucking stupid. XP was built of some sort of hybrid NT and 98 kernel, much like 2000. There's a world of difference between the two. I'm a software developer you flaming moron. Unless you're using some specific technologies you're presented with the same interface for XP as with 98. It's why your "world of difference" OS runs everything 98 does. If you're a DRIVER developer there are difference (in which case it looks like 2k) but on the software API side not a fuck of a lot has changed. Backward compatiblity with 98se is trivial.

06-19-2004, 10:50 AM	#60 (permalink)
Grayson Carlyle Warrior of Turalyon Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Turalyon Posts: 689	I won't ever believe anyone who says XP is buggy. 98 was the mother of all bug-fuckups. ME being a shit-faced version of 98, its even worse. 95 is a better platform than 98. 2k and NT faily decent pieces of software, XP close behind. I've never had XP crash. I get an occasional application crash, but that's not the OS' fault. Yes, none of them are as stable as most Linux cores, but I'd never use Linux for gaming. The only reason to not be playing on XP is the cost. But I don't know anyone who actually owns a legal copy of XP anyway.