This topic made me sigh.

The Bog · 03-30-2004, 02:03 AM

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/threa...nt=30#post7648

Quote of the moment?

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Why, oh why, oh why don't we have scrolls of town portal? I know it's a little Diablo throwback, but it's a critcial effect in Warcraft, and a huge benefit in MMOs.

le sigh.
oops, there I go again.

Faranor · 03-30-2004, 02:24 AM

Quote of the century imo:

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I'm well past level 6, where's my Ultimate ability? Don't get me wrong, it doesn't have to be 6, but it does have to happen, and it has to be GREAT. It doesn't sound like there's anything great.

from that same thread ...

Awanka · 03-30-2004, 02:48 AM

You do realize that finding retardation on Battlenet is like finding sand on the beach, all you have to do is look.

Personally I don't mind all that much, you need retards in an MMORPG just like anyone else. They perform the valuable function of being the baseline by which others look heroic in comparison. It's like how you can't have knights without peasants to support them.

The Bog · 03-30-2004, 03:11 AM

That's not battle.net.
That's the fucking beta test forum

nam37 · 03-30-2004, 03:33 AM

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Originally posted by The Bog

I'm well past level 6, where's my Ultimate ability? Don't get me wrong, it doesn't have to be 6, but it does have to happen, and it has to be GREAT. It doesn't sound like there's anything great.

Forgive my lack of Diablo knowledge.... but is an "Ultimate" ability a D or D2 thing?

NAM37

Froofy-D · 03-30-2004, 03:35 AM

This guy sure is quotable:

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What happened to "unit smarts"? My hero will stand around and take a beating if something starts attacking him. Couldn't he at least automatically fight back (without skills))? Sadly a common problem in MMOs.

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It sounds like a lot of you misunderstood my point ... Though a lot of this stuff "exists" in the game, I haven't seen it yet. Though it might be there "at higher levels", I've been playing casually for a week. It ought to have shown up by now, and other 'new' players may have the same 'complaints' if released like this.

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but is an "Ultimate" ability a D or D2 thing

Its a WC3 hero thing.

Tasso · 03-30-2004, 03:35 AM

Some the friends part of the alpha came from tft, hence the bnet.

Nothing so far leads me to belive that blizzard wants to make this a d2 clone.

Hopfully they see its a minority yelling for lvl1 mounts, instant transportation between towns, and an "Ultimate ability" at lvl 6.

Xaen · 03-30-2004, 08:27 AM

Expect to see more movement type complaints in the future as well. People are just realising just how huge this gameworld is. Its big, very very very big. The people complaining about small penalties when you die, haven't died out in the middle of bumblefuck nowhere at the bottom of a dungeon yet. The flight paths really rock, but even then it takes a long long time to get place to place. I think mounts at level 40 will be a great thing, and its definately going to be a big goal for people when they're available.

That said, despite moving around is REALLY frustrating sometimes, it does force you to see the world by foot first. Who knows, maybe in 5 years when everyone is entire sick of spending an hour trying to get somewhere, there will be WoW ports in some expansion ... I can honestly see them doing this at some point in its far far future. But thats just me.

Samus Aran · 03-30-2004, 08:39 AM

The RTS people worry me. A lot. RTS' are such fast-paced games, and the rewards are so different.

Someone in-game asked me something about the maps. I assumed he meant the minimap, or the thing that pulls up when you hit "M". Nope, he meant the WORLD.

Peks · 03-30-2004, 08:43 AM

Everyone say to themselves:

"They will be gone once retail comes because all the decent MMOG players will come in and destructicate them."

MMORPG players and RTS players cannot coincide in one world; it's the reason SWG failed. Star Wars nerds and MMOG players don't mix.

Tindel · 03-30-2004, 09:00 AM

Cant someone with a beta account PLEASE go and post some constructive info on what a mmorpg is and how you actually play one and point out the difference to them in a friendly way.

Seriously they need some guidance.

Amonsul · 03-30-2004, 09:23 AM

You know what I miss the most about everquest?

Running.

Granted, that sounds stupid. But I remember the first time I ran from Freeport to Quenyos. I saw so much of the game and had such a good time seeing zones that I had never been in (around lvl 20 at this point) that it was a blast. Running in East Karana down from highhold - you got the feeling that there was history to that area, the ancient weatherworn faces looking down from the sides of the cliffs. That was cool. (Plus, it got my sense heading skill up a ton - nothing like jamming on the button while running for 45 minutes).

Nothing also was scarier at that level then realizing I was in the middle of Kithkor and night was falling...

Or when I died in North Karana from a hillgiant while camping that stupid ghoul that droped the piece for the cleric Sol Ro bracers and finding myself bound in Fironia Vie. That was frustrating, but also it made the game more challenging - and the relief factor was a lot bigger when I ran into a druid that was on at 2 in the morning.

The PoK books and the Nexus spires to a lesser extent have ruined that feeling. Just yesterday I saw an Ogre, level 1, asking what was the home town of the Ogres and which book he should use to get there, and I wanted to smack him.

Hopefully, WoW will NEVER make travelling trivial. Easier maybe at the high levels, but never simple and never something that you don't even consider.

Ravvenn · 03-30-2004, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Bog
That's not battle.net.
That's the fucking beta test forum

Its pretty much the same thing.
No need to drag it here.

Ravensign · 03-30-2004, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by Amonsul
You know what I miss the most about everquest?

Running.

Sounds like what you really miss is immersion.

SoE saw that some travel was inconvenient in EQ, and instead of adding some things like the occasional gate potion or whatever, fixed the leaky faucet with a h-bomb, and made travel so trivial, it ruined that sense of scope.

Nihnyes · 03-30-2004, 10:05 AM

I think one of the main aspects these people do not grasp is that it is an evolving WORLD. It would really take away from playing your char if that (the world aspect) dynamic was taken away. I don't like when MMORPG's become easier, it ruins the fact you are practically living in there; hence the RPG direction a game revolves around. I'm having some difficult explaining what I mean, maybe someone could elaborate lol.

You ARE the character, ingame, essentially. I loved running from Kelethin to Qeynos, as the above poster said, it is very enjoyable.

I was dissapointed when Luclin included the Nexus ports, then even more so when PoP introduced the port stones. Such a shame.

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03-30-2004, 02:48 AM	#3 (permalink)
Awanka Seething with dark power and -internets Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,748 -55 Internets	You do realize that finding retardation on Battlenet is like finding sand on the beach, all you have to do is look. Personally I don't mind all that much, you need retards in an MMORPG just like anyone else. They perform the valuable function of being the baseline by which others look heroic in comparison. It's like how you can't have knights without peasants to support them.

03-30-2004, 08:27 AM	#8 (permalink)
Xaen Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 886 -1 Internets	Expect to see more movement type complaints in the future as well. People are just realising just how huge this gameworld is. Its big, very very very big. The people complaining about small penalties when you die, haven't died out in the middle of bumblefuck nowhere at the bottom of a dungeon yet. The flight paths really rock, but even then it takes a long long time to get place to place. I think mounts at level 40 will be a great thing, and its definately going to be a big goal for people when they're available. That said, despite moving around is REALLY frustrating sometimes, it does force you to see the world by foot first. Who knows, maybe in 5 years when everyone is entire sick of spending an hour trying to get somewhere, there will be WoW ports in some expansion ... I can honestly see them doing this at some point in its far far future. But thats just me.

03-30-2004, 08:39 AM	#9 (permalink)
Samus Aran Sons of the Storm Heal Bitch Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 771 +1 Internets	The RTS people worry me. A lot. RTS' are such fast-paced games, and the rewards are so different. Someone in-game asked me something about the maps. I assumed he meant the minimap, or the thing that pulls up when you hit "M". Nope, he meant the WORLD.

03-30-2004, 08:43 AM	#10 (permalink)
Peks Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 28 +0 Internets	Everyone say to themselves: "They will be gone once retail comes because all the decent MMOG players will come in and destructicate them." MMORPG players and RTS players cannot coincide in one world; it's the reason SWG failed. Star Wars nerds and MMOG players don't mix.

03-30-2004, 09:00 AM	#11 (permalink)
Tindel Rar Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 329 +0 Internets	Cant someone with a beta account PLEASE go and post some constructive info on what a mmorpg is and how you actually play one and point out the difference to them in a friendly way. Seriously they need some guidance.

03-30-2004, 09:23 AM	#12 (permalink)
Amonsul Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 101 -1 Internets	You know what I miss the most about everquest? Running. Granted, that sounds stupid. But I remember the first time I ran from Freeport to Quenyos. I saw so much of the game and had such a good time seeing zones that I had never been in (around lvl 20 at this point) that it was a blast. Running in East Karana down from highhold - you got the feeling that there was history to that area, the ancient weatherworn faces looking down from the sides of the cliffs. That was cool. (Plus, it got my sense heading skill up a ton - nothing like jamming on the button while running for 45 minutes). Nothing also was scarier at that level then realizing I was in the middle of Kithkor and night was falling... Or when I died in North Karana from a hillgiant while camping that stupid ghoul that droped the piece for the cleric Sol Ro bracers and finding myself bound in Fironia Vie. That was frustrating, but also it made the game more challenging - and the relief factor was a lot bigger when I ran into a druid that was on at 2 in the morning. The PoK books and the Nexus spires to a lesser extent have ruined that feeling. Just yesterday I saw an Ogre, level 1, asking what was the home town of the Ogres and which book he should use to get there, and I wanted to smack him. Hopefully, WoW will NEVER make travelling trivial. Easier maybe at the high levels, but never simple and never something that you don't even consider.

03-30-2004, 10:05 AM	#15 (permalink)
Nihnyes Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 360 +0 Internets	I think one of the main aspects these people do not grasp is that it is an evolving WORLD. It would really take away from playing your char if that (the world aspect) dynamic was taken away. I don't like when MMORPG's become easier, it ruins the fact you are practically living in there; hence the RPG direction a game revolves around. I'm having some difficult explaining what I mean, maybe someone could elaborate lol. You ARE the character, ingame, essentially. I loved running from Kelethin to Qeynos, as the above poster said, it is very enjoyable. I was dissapointed when Luclin included the Nexus ports, then even more so when PoP introduced the port stones. Such a shame.