WoW end game

Gintron · 03-22-2004, 03:31 PM

I know that currently there is really no end game implemented in the beta, but I was wondering if anyone on the inside has any comments about WoW's end-game. is its vastness going to be comparable to original EQs, EQ post kunark, etc.? are there any new ideas they have implemented for end-game encounters? or maybe people can post some new ideas youd like to see in the end game.

it just seems on the beta board people are too consumed with this phase of beta. I understand its all they have access to but I dont think some of these people realize the true fun of this type of game lies in its more epic encounters. this especially goes to the people who are posting that they are done with WoW already. in eq, lvl 1-30 and even really 31-45 was nothing more than a grind to get to the better encounters.

i like to see how much time/effort blizzard has put into the early game, i just hope they put the same into the later encounters.

OopsICrappedMyPants · 03-22-2004, 03:43 PM

My best guess is either they'll release end game content with the next stages of beta or they want to keep it under wraps to help prevent idiots from "hacking" it all and ruining what could be the best damn MMORPG to come.

Jait · 03-22-2004, 03:44 PM

Forgive me cause my WoW Lore sucks but....

I've heard time and time again that once the "Dark Portal" or something like that is opened, it will be a game changing event for the server it's on.

Someone recently from Blizzard commented that they do not think it will be opened before the first expansion.

So that's a pretty good clue it's part of the "Endgame" of the initial release.

Samus Aran · 03-22-2004, 03:44 PM

I'm pretty sure the developers got together after putting in all the content for levels one through thirty. They put their feet up on the desks, passed out the Krispy Kremes and caviar, downed a few jack and cokes, and eventually, someone said, "Hey, you think we should have an endgame?"

The head of the art department, from underneath the table where he'd been napping, awoke. "What do you mean, endgame?"

At which point Metzen said, "You know, something for people to do from levels thirty-one until the end. And like, after that."

"That sounds like... actually, that sounds like more work. Like a LOT more work," quipped Tigole. "I don't know about you guys, but I'm beat. I've been working since, like, 10:00 this morning. This job stuff is really cutting into my sex life, you know?"

An evil programmer spun around in his chair, petting a cat and stirring a martini. "I propose an alternative," he cackled. "How about we keep the game as it is, but make vague promises about an end-game. We'll release the beta with the first thirty levels and pretend we are 'stress-testing' them. In the meantime, the message boards will light up with glowing reviews. The art! The animation! The gameplay! The quests! The herbalism! (http://www.penny-arcade.com). By the time they realize there is no end-game, they will be HOOKED! They will dream of the magebloom, just out of reach! They will fantasize about gnomes dancing suggestively in their underwear! And we shall spend the rest of the development period on the roof, tanning, while the cast of Buffy and Firefly oils our naughty bits."

Really, I think it's a conspiracy.

Iannis · 03-22-2004, 03:53 PM

Nuh? I thought WoW was supposed to be catering specifically to end-game moreso than any other portion.

FalderonMT · 03-22-2004, 03:54 PM

Actually if you have played any of the previous games you would understand that the orcs came through a portal to conquer the world. They where aided in this by a human mage(forget his name). These orcs where all cursed by the Burning Legion(destroyers of worlds) to be thier absolute weapon in raising the Burning Legions leader.

They where defeated by the dwarf, human, elf alliance and the bands of orcs where broken and the curse was lifted off them that the burning leagion put on them.

In WC3 all the races work together to destroy the burning legion(cept for the undead that are allied with the burning legion).

I understand that WOW is after the time of WC3.

There are also 3 novels out that explain the lore a little better as well.

There is alot of lore there you just need to look for it.

Nanaki Ikanan · 03-22-2004, 04:06 PM

I wonder if Arthas and Kil'Jaden will be one-time-kills, or if they will respawn like all other mobs? Or maybe you can never kill Arthas?

kale717 · 03-22-2004, 04:21 PM

The portal you speak of is already planned for the original game, not any expansion. It will reopen the gateway to Outland (the remains of the orcish homeworld Draenor) which, in Frozen Throne, was full of badasses. So it's pretty likely this will be one part of the end game. Also the portal isn't open at release, there is some huge servervide quest that opens it. Should be good.

kale717 · 03-22-2004, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by Nanaki Ikanan
Or maybe you can never kill Arthas?

Just keep having all characters of the server attack him. The warriors and paladins can charge him with the priests rezzing them as soon as they die while all the hunters pummel him with arrows. Won't take more than 4 hours.

Burning_Samurai · 03-22-2004, 04:32 PM

kale717's above post reminds me of the Sleeper kill on RZ a few months back. Or was that what you were suggesting at?

Tuco · 03-22-2004, 04:51 PM

Frankly, I hope Blizzard doesn't spend too much time on the 1-30levels. In every other game, the 1-30 levels were just a one week per character ordeal that I past to get to the end game. This didn't have anything to do with them being boring or monotonous, but merely that they were just a hurdle to jump over to get to be at the top with my friends.

I've even come to expect next-to-nill balance in terms of classes, zones(in terms of how rewarding they are) and all around half-assed work for the 1-30 levels in an online game. I honestly couldn't care less if the game isn't 'great' in the start. I'll be playing it as a 1-30 char for a week, which is very small in comparison to how long I'll play it as a level sixty, if WoW is succesful.

I mean, look at it this way, how many of us have double, triple, or even more /played at level 60 and level 65, in comparison to levels 1-59 && 61-64?

I've always been overcritical of Blizzard's time management, but hopefully they'll get the crap taken care of and put their main focus on my main focus, the end game.

(That being said, there are lots of available opportunities for the woW endgame. The dark portals, the southwest kalimndor deserts, Black Rock Mountain, the Scourge's city, the high elf city, and all the dozens of things that the woW lore allows, or Blizzard could easily put in the game without getting the 'Oh look, a moon!' blooper)

Mkopec1 · 03-22-2004, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tuco
Frankly, I hope Blizzard doesn't spend too much time on the 1-30levels. In every other game, the 1-30 levels were just a one week per character ordeal that I past to get to the end game. This didn't have anything to do with them being boring or monotonous, but merely that they were just a hurdle to jump over to get to be at the top with my friends.

I've even come to expect next-to-nill balance in terms of classes, zones(in terms of how rewarding they are) and all around half-assed work for the 1-30 levels in an online game. I honestly couldn't care less if the game isn't 'great' in the start. I'll be playing it as a 1-30 char for a week, which is very small in comparison to how long I'll play it as a level sixty, if WoW is succesful.

I mean, look at it this way, how many of us have double, triple, or even more /played at level 60 and level 65, in comparison to levels 1-59 && 61-64?

I've always been overcritical of Blizzard's time management, but hopefully they'll get the crap taken care of and put their main focus on my main focus, the end game.

(That being said, there are lots of available opportunities for the woW endgame. The dark portals, the southwest kalimndor deserts, Black Rock Mountain, the Scourge's city, the high elf city, and all the dozens of things that the woW lore allows, or Blizzard could easily put in the game without getting the 'Oh look, a moon!' blooper)

I want them to spend as much time on the pre 60 levels as well as post 60.

Just as you like to be maxxed out raiding, others enjoy a steady climb through the levels experiencing all the content to its fullest.

For every one of you "end gamers" I can find you 3-4 casual gamers.

Iannis · 03-22-2004, 04:59 PM

i bet the burning legion lives on the moon.

It's a pretty blatant neon-pink sign of a lame game if level 1-64 are "just a pain in the ass timesink to the real content", btw. WoW would be uber-gay if every level short of max was just something to waste a few months on before you can get to farming dragons 24/7 for another 4 years.

Jait · 03-22-2004, 05:03 PM

Reading Comprehension (-100)

Shinrai · 03-22-2004, 05:03 PM

The concise summary is that if anybody knows they aren't talking. I've seen virtually no hints or rumors about the WoW endgame. And considering that B.net can make a legend out of even the tiniest facts that means something.

However we know that they're aware of the issue. So basically it's wait and see at this point.

03-22-2004, 03:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
Gintron Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 12 +0 Internets	WoW end game I know that currently there is really no end game implemented in the beta, but I was wondering if anyone on the inside has any comments about WoW's end-game. is its vastness going to be comparable to original EQs, EQ post kunark, etc.? are there any new ideas they have implemented for end-game encounters? or maybe people can post some new ideas youd like to see in the end game. it just seems on the beta board people are too consumed with this phase of beta. I understand its all they have access to but I dont think some of these people realize the true fun of this type of game lies in its more epic encounters. this especially goes to the people who are posting that they are done with WoW already. in eq, lvl 1-30 and even really 31-45 was nothing more than a grind to get to the better encounters. i like to see how much time/effort blizzard has put into the early game, i just hope they put the same into the later encounters.

03-22-2004, 03:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
FalderonMT Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 18 +0 Internets	WoW Lore Actually if you have played any of the previous games you would understand that the orcs came through a portal to conquer the world. They where aided in this by a human mage(forget his name). These orcs where all cursed by the Burning Legion(destroyers of worlds) to be thier absolute weapon in raising the Burning Legions leader. They where defeated by the dwarf, human, elf alliance and the bands of orcs where broken and the curse was lifted off them that the burning leagion put on them. In WC3 all the races work together to destroy the burning legion(cept for the undead that are allied with the burning legion). I understand that WOW is after the time of WC3. There are also 3 novels out that explain the lore a little better as well. There is alot of lore there you just need to look for it.

03-22-2004, 04:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
Burning_Samurai Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 409 +1 Internets	And this one time.... kale717's above post reminds me of the Sleeper kill on RZ a few months back. Or was that what you were suggesting at? __________________

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Iannis Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Butt Hugging Moose Jockey Posts: 4,968 +0 Internets	i bet the burning legion lives on the moon. It's a pretty blatant neon-pink sign of a lame game if level 1-64 are "just a pain in the ass timesink to the real content", btw. WoW would be uber-gay if every level short of max was just something to waste a few months on before you can get to farming dragons 24/7 for another 4 years. Last edited by Iannis : 03-22-2004 at 05:02 PM.

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03-22-2004, 03:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
OopsICrappedMyPants Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Pootang Posts: 378 +0 Internets	My best guess is either they'll release end game content with the next stages of beta or they want to keep it under wraps to help prevent idiots from "hacking" it all and ruining what could be the best damn MMORPG to come.

03-22-2004, 03:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jait Irritable Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 3,481	Forgive me cause my WoW Lore sucks but.... I've heard time and time again that once the "Dark Portal" or something like that is opened, it will be a game changing event for the server it's on. Someone recently from Blizzard commented that they do not think it will be opened before the first expansion. So that's a pretty good clue it's part of the "Endgame" of the initial release.

03-22-2004, 03:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
Samus Aran Sons of the Storm Heal Bitch Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 771 +1 Internets	I'm pretty sure the developers got together after putting in all the content for levels one through thirty. They put their feet up on the desks, passed out the Krispy Kremes and caviar, downed a few jack and cokes, and eventually, someone said, "Hey, you think we should have an endgame?" The head of the art department, from underneath the table where he'd been napping, awoke. "What do you mean, endgame?" At which point Metzen said, "You know, something for people to do from levels thirty-one until the end. And like, after that." "That sounds like... actually, that sounds like more work. Like a LOT more work," quipped Tigole. "I don't know about you guys, but I'm beat. I've been working since, like, 10:00 this morning. This job stuff is really cutting into my sex life, you know?" An evil programmer spun around in his chair, petting a cat and stirring a martini. "I propose an alternative," he cackled. "How about we keep the game as it is, but make vague promises about an end-game. We'll release the beta with the first thirty levels and pretend we are 'stress-testing' them. In the meantime, the message boards will light up with glowing reviews. The art! The animation! The gameplay! The quests! The herbalism! (http://www.penny-arcade.com). By the time they realize there is no end-game, they will be HOOKED! They will dream of the magebloom, just out of reach! They will fantasize about gnomes dancing suggestively in their underwear! And we shall spend the rest of the development period on the roof, tanning, while the cast of Buffy and Firefly oils our naughty bits." Really, I think it's a conspiracy.

03-22-2004, 03:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
Iannis Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Butt Hugging Moose Jockey Posts: 4,968 +0 Internets	Nuh? I thought WoW was supposed to be catering specifically to end-game moreso than any other portion.

03-22-2004, 04:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
Nanaki Ikanan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 460 -1 Internets	I wonder if Arthas and Kil'Jaden will be one-time-kills, or if they will respawn like all other mobs? Or maybe you can never kill Arthas?

03-22-2004, 04:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
kale717 fuck EQ, fuck SoE Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: virginia beach Posts: 263 +0 Internets	The portal you speak of is already planned for the original game, not any expansion. It will reopen the gateway to Outland (the remains of the orcish homeworld Draenor) which, in Frozen Throne, was full of badasses. So it's pretty likely this will be one part of the end game. Also the portal isn't open at release, there is some huge servervide quest that opens it. Should be good.

03-22-2004, 04:51 PM	#11 (permalink)
Tuco Forum Janitor Join Date: May 2002 Location: Detroit Posts: 8,272 +16 Internets	Frankly, I hope Blizzard doesn't spend too much time on the 1-30levels. In every other game, the 1-30 levels were just a one week per character ordeal that I past to get to the end game. This didn't have anything to do with them being boring or monotonous, but merely that they were just a hurdle to jump over to get to be at the top with my friends. I've even come to expect next-to-nill balance in terms of classes, zones(in terms of how rewarding they are) and all around half-assed work for the 1-30 levels in an online game. I honestly couldn't care less if the game isn't 'great' in the start. I'll be playing it as a 1-30 char for a week, which is very small in comparison to how long I'll play it as a level sixty, if WoW is succesful. I mean, look at it this way, how many of us have double, triple, or even more /played at level 60 and level 65, in comparison to levels 1-59 && 61-64? I've always been overcritical of Blizzard's time management, but hopefully they'll get the crap taken care of and put their main focus on my main focus, the end game. (That being said, there are lots of available opportunities for the woW endgame. The dark portals, the southwest kalimndor deserts, Black Rock Mountain, the Scourge's city, the high elf city, and all the dozens of things that the woW lore allows, or Blizzard could easily put in the game without getting the 'Oh look, a moon!' blooper)

03-22-2004, 05:03 PM	#14 (permalink)
Jait Irritable Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 3,481	Reading Comprehension (-100)

03-22-2004, 05:03 PM	#15 (permalink)
Shinrai Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne Posts: 604 -1 Internets	The concise summary is that if anybody knows they aren't talking. I've seen virtually no hints or rumors about the WoW endgame. And considering that B.net can make a legend out of even the tiniest facts that means something. However we know that they're aware of the issue. So basically it's wait and see at this point.