Dell 5150 or GeForce FX Go5200 Issues

[Sithray]

Originally posted by Yaguex
I sure hope you dont mean that the FX 5200 outperforms the GForce 4 Ti seriers (4200 for example), because you'd be DEAD wrong.

When looking at the actual products themselves, you can make a couple of generalizations about their performance. For starters, the GeForce FX 5600/5200 Ultra performs much like a GeForce4 Ti 4200 in situations where no anti-aliasing or anisotropic filtering is used. Enabling either or both of those features allow the 5600/5200 Ultra to significantly outperform the GeForce4 Ti 4200, mostly thanks to the NV31's superior memory controller, compression and AA engines.

from nvidia...

[Kraks]

Given that EQ now requires DX9, how are you running the game with no problems without it?

Not true yet. It's only like this on TEST at the moment.

[Shardanaan]

Of course NVidia's going to say that--they want you to buy the newer card. Go to Tom's Hardware, Firingsquad, Anandtech, wherever, really, and check a few independant benchmarks. Then come back and tell me that a FX5200, especially an ass mobile one that's got no heat disappation, performs the same or better than a Ti4200 or Ti4600.

NVidia and ATI say a lot of things. And most of them are based off how much money it'll get them.

--Shard

[Yaguex]

Originally posted by Sithray

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Originally posted by Yaguex
I sure hope you dont mean that the FX 5200 outperforms the GForce 4 Ti seriers (4200 for example), because you'd be DEAD wrong.
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When looking at the actual products themselves, you can make a couple of generalizations about their performance. For starters, the GeForce FX 5600/5200 Ultra performs much like a GeForce4 Ti 4200 in situations where no anti-aliasing or anisotropic filtering is used. Enabling either or both of those features allow the 5600/5200 Ultra to significantly outperform the GeForce4 Ti 4200, mostly thanks to the NV31's superior memory controller, compression and AA engines.
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from nvidia...

HAHA! of course they're gonna say that, they're commercializing their own product man.

But, if you actually go and read one of those forums where tech and gaming freaks compare their systems, overclock them, benchmark their FPS in different games, etc, you will see that the 5200 is commonly frown upon as utter crap, and the 5600 STILL performs worse than the older generation of GForce4 Ti cards.

It's something deceiving, but that's actually what they intended. Same case with ATI: Their ATI 9600 performs worse than the former ATI 9500, and their ATI 9000 performs worse than the ATI 8500.

When they release a new product (many times in order to reduce manufacturing costs), they name their new cards with a higher "nickname" than the former one so potential customers dont see it as a stepdown performance wise, even tho it actually is indeed.

Just search on the net, and avoid the 5200/5600 series. In the other hand, the 5700 ultra is a damn fine card.



Yag.

[Zignor]

Not true yet. It's only like this on TEST at the moment.]

Umm, wasn't that patched to the live servers as of the GoD release? I could be wrong, but I thought that's what all the fuss was about.

And the card, ass or not, runs all of my other games perfectly fine. It even runs EQ perfectly fine when there's 123987123987123987 people running around slashing away. Why oh why does it go to hell in a handbasket when a random lamely detailed hill appears on my screen in the desert?

And as far as getting a better card; as I said, on the Dell laptop side of things the FX 4200 64 Meg is the best you can drop into an Inspiron 5150 from the factory.

[Samus Aran]

Originally posted by Sithray
from nvidia...

wow you sure are informed.

[Lefazz]

Read what I fucking said above. The benchmark results are RIGHT there. jeez.

[Kraks]

The DX9 EQ Engine is not live yet. If you have a laptop and are having similar issues, I suggest downloading DirectX Eradicator. It take you back to what you OS originally installed. For Windows XP, that is DirectX 8.1.

[Zignor]

I'll try that tonight and report back.

Thanks.

[Ddoof]

/showgrass off


pwned

[Noubourne]

5200 Owned by almost everything.

Well, it gives the GF 4 MX 440 a run for its money!

I'd rather run games 20FPS faster on a Ti4600 Pro than turn on AA and AF. Nvidia started to suck hard on it's early FX releases. This just happens to be one of their worst ones.

[Yaguex]

Totally agree. Smooth play > quality of image.



Yag.

[Gamblor]

Originally posted by Kraks
Good news and bad news.

good news is that I've fixed the situation and can now run EQ at 1600x1200 with 0 slow down whatsoever. It's great.

Bad news is that the problem seems to be DirectX 9. I have tested this with 3dmark03 and 3dmark2001. 2001 uses Directx 8 and 03 uses 9. With 8, I get 50 frames per second nearly constant at 1600x1200. With DirectX 9 I get 4 - 10 fps.

So, DirectX 9 + Mobile cards = problem atm it seems.

There is a reason for that, and it's not because of DX9. The 5200 is a fucking pile of shit. Even for the FX series it's crap. To give you an idea of the utterly abysmal performance you can expect in dx9, the top of the line 5900 will run most random dx9 shaders you throw at it slower than a Radeon 9600. The 5600 is half the speed of th 5900 shaderwise, and the fucking 5200 would be a quarter the speed of the 5600.

Even the mobile 5600 is a pile of crap the Mobile 9600 manhandled. The 5200 may as well not even be a 3d card.

http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.html?i=1866&p=9 would be a good example of the manhandling you can expect in a shader heavy dx9 game. Keep in mind the 5600 mobile is at least twice as fast as the 5200, so it would be worse. And if you want a real laugh, take a look at the HL2 benchmarks at 1280 where a GF4 outperformed every FX except maybe the 5900 when all cards were set to operate in dx8 mode.

[Lefazz]

What's funny is that I've seen PCI GeForce FX 5200s with 256MB of RAM!! Why!?

[Zignor]

And here I thought I was doing pretty well getting the "top of the line video card" available for my laptop.

Where the fuck do you go to buy laptop vid cards, anyway?