Heroes Season 4

[Brigandier]

White people speaking Japanese.

[SalaciousTunare]

The whole going back in time and preventing the butterfly effect is retarded. The butterfly effect by definition is that even your presence in the past could atler the future. Just breathing or occupying space and influencing gravity could affect the future. He interrupts Sylar's timeline if even only by seconds it does matter. He completely nukes his own timeline, keep in mind the original Hiro goes back in time to save Charlie after he witnesses her death and she STILL dies from the aneurysm no matter what he did... only this time she doesn't die she disappears into the future thanks to Simon.

The disappearing act is only for the stories continuity because if she didn't disappear, Hiro would be off banging her for the past 3 years instead of doing everything else he did for the last 3 seasons.

The original Hiro comes back wiser for having been defeated (Charlie dies no matter what he does) returning to Ando less of an adolescent and more of a man. Now what happens? He goes back 6 months like present Hiro instructed him to... and Charlie lives up till this point then disappears while he's in the bathroom, instead of dying? So now she's an abduction victim instead of a murder victim? How does this not fuck shit up, how does season 1 Hiro not figure out she wasn't killed? How does season one Hiro not go on a crazy mission to find her rather? If your love of your life was missing instead of murdered, you'd be trying to find them.

Also, present Hiro tells Ando to wait for him(season 1 Hiro)... but he also tells him "FORGET about the sword". Simply appearing in the past without the sword could influence their decision to track it down.

Either the writers are inept, or this was on purpose. Keep in mind, season 1 Ando and Hiro were completely obsessed about the sword thinking it was the key to Hiro's powers. Hiro armed with the sword is what defeated Sylar at the end of Season 1. Hiro with the sword in the past is the entire reason Adam Monroe goes crazy and tries to unleash the virus in season 2.

It really is too much hoping that the writers are actually interested in the Butterfly effect. The end result would be Hiro having to go back, and allow Sylar to kill Charlie.

[Cybsled]

Have you forgotten season 1? Hiro goes back in time after Sylar kills Charlie, falls in love, then Charlie tells Hiro that she's gonna die anyways and Hiro teleports to the present again just before they kiss. He can't figure out how to go back and just assumes Sylar still got her. Since she vanishes, past Hiro would still assume she was dead even if he went back to check.

In this episode, by making Hiro go back to fall in love with Charlie, nothing really changes. Hiro still assumes Charlie dies and he has failed. Timeline for Hiro is preserved.

As for Sylar, there has been questions as to what powers the Chanti virus erased in season2. It's possible the Charlie power got wiped, thus any gains he received from her were short lived. Charlie living in this case would hardly effect Sylar as well (save for Hiro's "you're gonna die alone" bit which seemed to get to Sylar for a brief moment).

As for the sword, he tells past Hiro that he left it at home. Past Hiro will still want the sword as a crutch for his "broken powers", especially since Issac painted it and he knows about the sword.

[SalaciousTunare]

Originally Posted by Cybsled

Have you forgotten season 1?

You are right, for some reason I remembered Hiro returning to Ando saying something about how he couldn't save her. I guess he was referring to his power being unstable.

[larseny316]

Actually liked the episode alot - just this episode in a vacuum I should say. The writers made a heroic effort to say that "Hiro has not fucked up the timeline," so as the viewer we just have to take them at their word for that. That did not stop me from spending the entire episode second guessing them etc, at the very least Sylar has foreknowledge of his own death, and that he has to be on the watch out for a gang of heroes. Also seeing that Mohinder was Teabags big mistake (and possibly Joseph?), is a nice little twist. Honestly, I probably just liked this episode because it was 90% the old geeky Hiro we enjoyed, doing exactly what we are now, and geeking out over the Butterfly effect. Had some great lines, I really enjoyed when he called himself a moron.

I guess the thing that gets me the most, is that Teabag is going to all this effort to get a time traveler to go into the past and fix his mistake. Extreme lengths, including, pissing off that time traveler. Apparently, he can't ask his current time traveler to send him back to fix his 8 week old problem, but he has no problem asking for any other reason. Shit, if he was really that desperate, he could just wait 2 years 44 weeks (from Charlie timeline) and take care of shit himself. Or come up with a fake problem 12 weeks ago, travel for a month, then go do it.

All in all this episode just proves to me that the writers still have what it takes to make me enjoy an individual episode, but when it comes to make the overall storyline as convoluted and retarded as possible.

[brekk]

So WTF is Parklar really dead?

[simeon]

Originally Posted by brekk

So WTF is Parklar really dead?

Do you think it's a coincidence that Peter got an "lol, jk" death button a couple episodes before Syker gets himself shot, in critical condition, on the way to a hospital (which is probably where Peter works himself)?

Pah, of course not. It's Heroes.

[Cybsled]

The teaser for the next episode removes that possibility, however it looks like by getting himself shot, he unwittingly has brought Sylar exactly what he needs.

Heroes has been pretty solid this season overall. They're trying not to be all over the fucking place and have focused on making the different storylines interesting.

[Bazael]

Originally Posted by Cybsled

The teaser for the next episode removes that possibility, however it looks like by getting himself shot, he unwittingly has brought Sylar exactly what he needs.

Heroes has been pretty solid this season overall. They're trying not to be all over the fucking place and have focused on making the different storylines interesting.

I'd still love to know just what Samuel's intention is with gathering up all the heroes. There is no way that it's just the boring "Safe place" for super power people. There has to be another reason, and so far, they haven't given any clues as to Samuel being more than what he seems.

[Gwen Rockpounder]

Originally Posted by Bazael

I'd still love to know just what Samuel's intention is with gathering up all the heroes. There is no way that it's just the boring "Safe place" for super power people. There has to be another reason, and so far, they haven't given any clues as to Samuel being more than what he seems.

Did I dream it or didn't Samuel tell Hiro he had made a mistake a few weeks earlier and it showed an image of a dead lolhinder on the floor? It's a clue he's up to something but no idea what just yet.

Be honest though, put your hand up if you think that the scriptwriters have actually thought of a reason yet, based on what you've seen in the last 2-3 seasons

[Tananthalas]

Originally Posted by Gwen Rockpounder

Be honest though, put your hand up if you think that the scriptwriters have actually thought of a reason yet, based on what you've seen in the last 2-3 seasons

I thought this seasons writers were the same as season 1, not the ones from 2 and 3. There's a reason this season is "Redemption". It's definitely been better than the last couple of seasons so far.

[brekk]

Originally Posted by simeon

Do you think it's a coincidence that Peter got an "lol, jk" death button a couple episodes before Syker gets himself shot, in critical condition, on the way to a hospital (which is probably where Peter works himself)?

Pah, of course not. It's Heroes.

Except Parklar got shot outside that restaurant in Texas, while Peter is far far away in NYC.

[Gwen Rockpounder]

Originally Posted by Tananthalas

I thought this seasons writers were the same as season 1, not the ones from 2 and 3. There's a reason this season is "Redemption". It's definitely been better than the last couple of seasons so far.

Nooo, the chap that left at the end of season 1 to go do Pushing Daisies before returning and starting somewhat of a rise in quality last season left again before this season started to do something else.

Yes this season is better than the last 2, however the last 2 were around the entertainment level of watching a tramp armpit-fart the national anthem so lets be honest, it wasn't hard!

I throw all this abuse at it because it is capable of being so much better, it started off so well in it's initial run it just makes it all the worse to see the state it's in now. You don't feel as annoyed about Flash Forward or SGU etc being crap as they are new and you didn't feel any real attachment to it anyway, heroes feels like it betrayed you for getting caught up in it from a few minutes before the end of season 1 onwards.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Oh great, Earth Carnie is Captain Fucking Planet.

[TheOkapi]

lolhinder got all sorts of plastic surgery. He's way different looking.