Dexter (Season 4) - Page 17

Astrocreep · 11-03-2009, 01:23 PM

You'e right, Dex has said things similar to that effect but that could also be him being very observant (in his profession he has to be) .its like the people who think The Mentalist is really psychic. not too many have the hyper skills of deductive reasoning and observation. i always think of Mentalist as a poor man's sherlock holmes because of it.

Dabamf · 11-03-2009, 07:35 PM

Dex's history of detecting predators is mixed. It took him some extra research to really verify the molester guy was a compulsive predator. He didn't see Prado for what he is for a long time. Then again he saw that the crocodile-showing kid who killed his friend was a compulsive killer, and a few others.

Befriending Trinity isn't a terrible call or too unfitting for the show, but it probably is way more risk than Dex would normally take. It's a stretch for sure, especially for someone who is the most successful serial killer of all time, to take that risk befriending him, but it does well for the story line so I can overlook it.

Buckaroo Banzai · 11-03-2009, 07:56 PM

I think Trinity knows Dexter is stalking him, and in turn is stalking him back. Dexter just doesn't see him.

Enob · 11-03-2009, 08:22 PM

To me this episode seemed to hint strongly towards Trinity's family's acceptance of him. The way his son spoke about him being the best dad ever really gave me a feeling of being his killer apprentice in a similar way to how Harry took Dexter under his wing and helped him know how to fake everything. Then there was also the scene towards the end where Trinity gets in the tub with his wife, they both are very content, as if they truly know who the other person is and love them unconditionally.

This whole episode Dexter's been looking for how Trinity does it, my theory is that his family knows who he is or are also killers. Trinity's son being a protege will give Dex a lot to think about, especially with Harry's presence so in your face this season. He'll again have more reason to doubt Harry. The other thing that would come out of this is Dexter having a time trying to figure out again how he could bring Rita or even Deb into the know about who he is. Presumably he'll choose against doing it, kill Trinity/family, and go on with life. I really want someone else in the show to know but if they learn and aren't killed off it changes the show completely.

Dunkelheit_vz · 11-04-2009, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost Ranger

Honestly, Rita being such a raging bitch makes sense to me. Just take a step back a second and look at the big picture. Dexter kept a "drug problem" from her. Dexter cheated on her. That same psycho bitch kidnapped and tried to kill Dexter/her children. Dexter lied about how serious his accident was. Dexter kept a secret apartment. Dexter often times stares blankly when she tries to talk to him. Seriously, would YOU stay with a person like that? I would of ended that bullshit in a heart beat if my wife was like that. He IS untrustworthy and that tends to cause serious issues in a marriage. Trust is vital and they have none. Only reason we view Rita as the bad guy here is because... well it's Dexter.

Well, I have to say from the angle you described, it makes much more sense. We just don't see it like this because of the sympathies to Dexter (like you already mentioned).

Arbuste · 11-04-2009, 03:52 AM

What most people seem to forget is that Dexter is not a regular nice guy with a hobby. He is a psychopathic killer. He's got issues. Maybe he needs to have an authoritative / abusive wife. To compensate for the absence of his mother. In any case, it's obvious he is not equipped to deal with her like a normal man would.
Saying "Dexter's acts do not make sense because I would have acted differently" is beyond retarded. Especially if you are not a Miami-based serial killer. Dexter likes to think he's very smart and rational all the time. But he isn't. He can't help killing. In Trinity's case, he's so fascinated that he does not even think about the risks. Even if he tries to rationalize his action.
Saying "Ok, it makes sense but it doesn't mean it's enjoyable to watch" means that what you'd actually enjoy is a show about a guy who would be just like you, except more badass. And who'd kill people for sport. Maybe you've got issues too.

That said, yes, Rita is annoying. I too wish Dexter would tell her to STFU, but I don't think that would make sense.

About Deb and Dexter: Deb said she knew who their father was fucking. How could she find out about Dexter's mother? She's dead. Harry is dead. The archives woman is dead. Deb finding about Laura Moser and her affiliation with Dexter and the other killer seems like a stretch.

Astrocreep · 11-04-2009, 04:00 AM

didnt some woman leave a message on Deb's voicemail or something pertaining to Harry's CI's?

Jhentar_AN|Trib · 11-04-2009, 06:19 AM

Does anyone else have a problem with Dexter going after Trininty like this?

When the show started it was made clear that Dexter only killed those that were guilty but had scammed the system and gotten off after a trial, that was how he kept to his code and was more than just a psychopath, he didn't kill indiscriminantly and if they were found guilty he didn't go after them.

This season however he is going after Trinity before he has had a trial, and in fact is trying to hide evidence (eg the smudge he noticed first at the hammering victim) that could lead to Trinity being caught and tried...it just doesn't fit with the way they have laid Dexter out as a person in the last few seasons and it's kind of bugging me.

krax · 11-04-2009, 06:59 AM

Dexter has obscured evidence before so that he would get the kill instead of it going to court. Dexter wants to kill people. He is not out for justice. The whole going after other killers thing is just an excuse.

Mist · 11-04-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jhentar_AN|Trib

Does anyone else have a problem with Dexter going after Trininty like this?

When the show started it was made clear that Dexter only killed those that were guilty but had scammed the system and gotten off after a trial, that was how he kept to his code and was more than just a psychopath, he didn't kill indiscriminantly and if they were found guilty he didn't go after them.

This season however he is going after Trinity before he has had a trial, and in fact is trying to hide evidence (eg the smudge he noticed first at the hammering victim) that could lead to Trinity being caught and tried...it just doesn't fit with the way they have laid Dexter out as a person in the last few seasons and it's kind of bugging me.

Uh, you watching the same show as everyone else? That's never been the case. Plenty of the people he killed never went to trial for anything, and had kept their killings secret for life. The guy in the very first episode who killed the three kids, the valet that was making snuff films, the nurse who poisoned old people, that's 3 in the first couple episodes.

Goltana_R-Zek · 11-04-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mist

Uh, you watching the same show as everyone else? That's never been the case. Plenty of the people he killed never went to trial for anything, and had kept their killings secret for life. The guy in the very first episode who killed the three kids, the valet that was making snuff films, the nurse who poisoned old people, that's 3 in the first couple episodes.

IIRC the valet got off for his kills in a trial, but the other 2 are spot on, doesn't really matter anyway - the point is he doesn't always wait for trials, in fact I think he prefers not to. Less notice for the criminals when they suddenly go missing. The trials are just another way people get on his radar, him being a CSI kind of guy gets him involved with a lot of murders/witnesses, which is then when he does his own personal investigation.

I remember when that child molester guy episode aired, sure Dexter sensed there was something "off" with the guy, but that only happened when he had Astor being cornered alone with him in the grocery store. And that guy also never picked up on Dexter being a psycho, no one else in the show really has done that besides Doakes, Lila a little bit and maybe Prado but those are both kinda stretches, he revealed a lot to both of em.

I haven't seen any other instances of 'better' killers sensing one another in the show other than the above, but maybe I'm misremembering some things /shrug. I agree with Arbuste here, that Dex is so fascinated/intrigued by Trinity that he's kind of ignoring a lot of the risks, his family is on the line which has become one of his most important priorities (at odds even with his need to kill). It's not the first time Dex has been kind of sloppy/risky (cleaning the boat while a cam films him anyone?), it's not a drastic change of character.

And yeah, Deb contacted some CI and she left a message on her phone, that was right when Angel was telling her to stop working so much, she was in the middle of listening to the message when Angel told her to hang up and take a break. It wasn't Dexter's mother obv. since she's dead, Harry might have slept with another CI before her, but that might end Debrah's search prematurely thinking he only slept with one of the CI's and not more.

Surlok TP · 11-04-2009, 05:40 PM

The CI didn't specifically say she slept with Harry either, just that she might have the answers Deb was looking for since it was on a message machine.

Chances are whoever this CI is, and knowing how the writing on this show goes in making sure Dexter never gets caught, it's going to be something about Harry totally unrelated to him having sex with this CI and in actuality being something else potentially earth shattering for Deb which will ultimately halt any further investigation into the CI files since she hasn't hit the Moser file yet and that particular issue will be dropped from the show.

jayrebb · 11-04-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Surlok TP

Chances are whoever this CI is, and knowing how the writing on this show goes in making sure Dexter never gets caught, it's going to be something about Harry totally unrelated to him having sex with this CI and in actuality being something else potentially earth shattering for Deb which will ultimately halt any further investigation into the CI files since she hasn't hit the Moser file yet and that particular issue will be dropped from the show.

Boring. They already started dragging it out too, so you know shes not going to find out the real deal. This storyline is definitely disappearing.

Still waiting for a signal from Quinn to let us know hes alive.

Astrocreep · 11-09-2009, 12:51 AM

good episode

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Smocca · 11-09-2009, 03:07 AM

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

11-03-2009, 07:35 PM	#242 (permalink)
Dabamf Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Seoul, Korea Posts: 2,346 +15 Internets	Dex's history of detecting predators is mixed. It took him some extra research to really verify the molester guy was a compulsive predator. He didn't see Prado for what he is for a long time. Then again he saw that the crocodile-showing kid who killed his friend was a compulsive killer, and a few others. Befriending Trinity isn't a terrible call or too unfitting for the show, but it probably is way more risk than Dex would normally take. It's a stretch for sure, especially for someone who is the most successful serial killer of all time, to take that risk befriending him, but it does well for the story line so I can overlook it. Last edited by Dabamf; 11-03-2009 at 08:08 PM..

11-04-2009, 06:19 AM	#248 (permalink)
Jhentar_AN\|Trib Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 309 +1 Internets	Does anyone else have a problem with Dexter going after Trininty like this? When the show started it was made clear that Dexter only killed those that were guilty but had scammed the system and gotten off after a trial, that was how he kept to his code and was more than just a psychopath, he didn't kill indiscriminantly and if they were found guilty he didn't go after them. This season however he is going after Trinity before he has had a trial, and in fact is trying to hide evidence (eg the smudge he noticed first at the hammering victim) that could lead to Trinity being caught and tried...it just doesn't fit with the way they have laid Dexter out as a person in the last few seasons and it's kind of bugging me. __________________ Jhentar Wyrmbane Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, enjoying the holiday

11-09-2009, 12:51 AM	#254 (permalink)
Astrocreep Flings doodoo and poopoo Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 5,749	good episode Spoiler Alert, click show to read: so is this how Trinity restarts the cycle with a coffin or did he find out hes dying? interesting plot twist at the end, it probably be that the assistant was helping ferro dump bodies

11-09-2009, 03:07 AM	#255 (permalink)
Smocca Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 875 +25 Internets	Spoiler Alert, click show to read: Glad that Dexter's sloppiness came back to bite him in the ass. I mean really, there is an ongoing investigation into the guy + the whole Quinn thing. Dumbest kill he has ever done. Not to mention, going to the club and having the waitress relay a message to the guy? Ridiculous. As if Dexter didn't stick out like a sore thumb. When the guy turns up dead of course they would interview people working at the club. Really, really dumb. First episode that I have outright rooted against Dexter. I just hate how casual and stupid he is being. Though, he always gets stupid halfway through a season so I'm not too worried. __________________ Wii Code: 4250 4436 6536 6872

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11-03-2009, 01:23 PM	#241 (permalink)
Astrocreep Flings doodoo and poopoo Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 5,749	You'e right, Dex has said things similar to that effect but that could also be him being very observant (in his profession he has to be) .its like the people who think The Mentalist is really psychic. not too many have the hyper skills of deductive reasoning and observation. i always think of Mentalist as a poor man's sherlock holmes because of it.

11-03-2009, 07:56 PM	#243 (permalink)
Buckaroo Banzai Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 243 +14 Internets	I think Trinity knows Dexter is stalking him, and in turn is stalking him back. Dexter just doesn't see him.

11-03-2009, 08:22 PM	#244 (permalink)
Enob Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 80	To me this episode seemed to hint strongly towards Trinity's family's acceptance of him. The way his son spoke about him being the best dad ever really gave me a feeling of being his killer apprentice in a similar way to how Harry took Dexter under his wing and helped him know how to fake everything. Then there was also the scene towards the end where Trinity gets in the tub with his wife, they both are very content, as if they truly know who the other person is and love them unconditionally. This whole episode Dexter's been looking for how Trinity does it, my theory is that his family knows who he is or are also killers. Trinity's son being a protege will give Dex a lot to think about, especially with Harry's presence so in your face this season. He'll again have more reason to doubt Harry. The other thing that would come out of this is Dexter having a time trying to figure out again how he could bring Rita or even Deb into the know about who he is. Presumably he'll choose against doing it, kill Trinity/family, and go on with life. I really want someone else in the show to know but if they learn and aren't killed off it changes the show completely.

11-04-2009, 03:52 AM	#246 (permalink)
Arbuste Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 969	What most people seem to forget is that Dexter is not a regular nice guy with a hobby. He is a psychopathic killer. He's got issues. Maybe he needs to have an authoritative / abusive wife. To compensate for the absence of his mother. In any case, it's obvious he is not equipped to deal with her like a normal man would. Saying "Dexter's acts do not make sense because I would have acted differently" is beyond retarded. Especially if you are not a Miami-based serial killer. Dexter likes to think he's very smart and rational all the time. But he isn't. He can't help killing. In Trinity's case, he's so fascinated that he does not even think about the risks. Even if he tries to rationalize his action. Saying "Ok, it makes sense but it doesn't mean it's enjoyable to watch" means that what you'd actually enjoy is a show about a guy who would be just like you, except more badass. And who'd kill people for sport. Maybe you've got issues too. That said, yes, Rita is annoying. I too wish Dexter would tell her to STFU, but I don't think that would make sense. About Deb and Dexter: Deb said she knew who their father was fucking. How could she find out about Dexter's mother? She's dead. Harry is dead. The archives woman is dead. Deb finding about Laura Moser and her affiliation with Dexter and the other killer seems like a stretch.

11-04-2009, 04:00 AM	#247 (permalink)
Astrocreep Flings doodoo and poopoo Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 5,749	didnt some woman leave a message on Deb's voicemail or something pertaining to Harry's CI's?

11-04-2009, 06:59 AM	#249 (permalink)
krax Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 149 +24 Internets	Dexter has obscured evidence before so that he would get the kill instead of it going to court. Dexter wants to kill people. He is not out for justice. The whole going after other killers thing is just an excuse.

11-04-2009, 05:40 PM	#252 (permalink)
Surlok TP Yes the TP is for toilet paper... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 2,059 +26 Internets	The CI didn't specifically say she slept with Harry either, just that she might have the answers Deb was looking for since it was on a message machine. Chances are whoever this CI is, and knowing how the writing on this show goes in making sure Dexter never gets caught, it's going to be something about Harry totally unrelated to him having sex with this CI and in actuality being something else potentially earth shattering for Deb which will ultimately halt any further investigation into the CI files since she hasn't hit the Moser file yet and that particular issue will be dropped from the show.