Terminator SCC (Season 2)

[Cybsled]

One thing to consider is that both Savannah and John Henry are small children, in a manner of speaking, so they are able to better relate on a developmental level. Small kids learn alot from each other, in terms of social interaction. It's possible that John Henry's development is being better fostered by his interaction with another child as opposed to just "parental" interaction. Savannah also doesn't have any preconceptions about what a computer should be or what have you, thus she is able to form a more normal relationship with John Henry as if he were just another human, whereas most of the adults still can't get past the fact he's hardware and software and thus their biases.

Obviously this works well for humans in the long term as well.

[spronk]

This was the first other-terminator we've seen in a while now. The skynet terminator used humans last episode to kill off people, but this episode its using metal. So either its making metal in the present (unlikely) or more terminators are being sent back from the future.

The terminator was shooting pretty wildly in the garage so its safe to assume it wants Savannah dead, not kidnapped. It knows a lot of what John Henry knows, so it will know that the Weaver is a terminator, not a human. So yeah Savannah is pretty important in John Henry's development, just the last scene with the two of them singing together brings home that point imo. The T1000 is John Henry's protector, Savannah and Ellison are his teachers and "humanizers".

Badass episode, it really is too bad they had so much filler junk in the middle of this season. It sucks balls Derek is gone, he was an awesome character and a great way to flash back and forth especially as a tie-in to Reese, but I love that they are willing to kill off such major characters. Really hope they get renewed for another season but not holding my breath.

[Carino]

Yeah, I think Weaver realized at the end (when she saw them singing) that Savannah is just as crucial to John Henry's development/survival as he is to hers.

[Cybsled]

Ok I had an idea...

One of the big questions is why did Future John send back Cameron (well, we are assuming he sent her back). When John asked her about it, she simply stated that there were things he needed to learn. One of the things that has developed is that John has grown very attached to Cameron, even though he knows she is a machine (of course, this builds upon T2 and his relation with the Arnold model). You could even argue that he loves her.

What if this was all simply a preparation to get him into the mental position where he could accept John Henry as an ally at this point in time? Future John realized that by reprogramming Terminators, they could make for effective tools/allies in their fight. Maybe he came to the realization that to truly defeat Skynet, he would need to have a strong ally in something at Skynet's level of sophistication.

[Faille]

have we discussed whether skynet sent cameron back before? Maybe after failing to kill him twice it has decided to infiltrate its agents into his inner sanctum.

[Angerz]

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

The more I think about it, the more I think that something doesn't smell right about the Savannah plot.

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Due to branching/alternate/changing futures, we don't know what the "current" future looks like.

For all we know, the future is now judgment day happens and there are 2 metal factions and a human faction there in some way, most likely with a metal and human team up against the other metal faction.

If that allied metal faction it turning the tide of the war, there is a chance Savannah is seen as a threat nearly as big as John Connor, due to her teaching empathy for humans to John Henry. And if I had to pick who I sent my assassain terminator against, it would be the little girl, not the guy who has 2 soldiers and a terminator at his side at all times.

But thats all conjecture I guess.

[TheCutlery]

That's possible, I reckon, but that would make a pretty major change in direction for the Terminator franchise. Up until now, Skynet's war thru time has been basically vs 1 man...John Connor. Yes, they hit his mother since she might have been an easier target, they hit him when he was 12, and they've also tried taking out various assosciates and acquaintances, but for the most part, what the metal is sent back to do is A) Eliminate John Connor and the people close to him that lead the resistance in the future, and B) Stockpile goods for Judgement day.

If Skynet now see's John Henry as a threat, why not send metal back to a time before it was John Henry? Why did Derek have to kill Andy Goode? They are using the Turk, after all, which Andy admitted to being Skynet in Derek's future. If that has changed, and the Turk is no longer Skynet, why not eliminate it before it becomes a problem? Doesn't make much sense to go after it after it gets into the hands of Zeira Corp. Lotta questions, 46 minutes left for answers, I doubt we'll get them all.

[mek]

Apparently all the metal Skynet sent back in time was sent back from the SAME point in the future - and immediately after that initial wave of terminators were sent, the resistance disabled/stole the time travel tech.

This is why every Terminator has the same basic mission, and not a lot of up-to-date information.

The fact that Skynet sent a Terminator to kill Savannah is very interesting. Is this because Skynet is aware of John Henry, or just that it perceives Savannah as a future threat? (What does she grow up to become?) I agree here that it be a major change of direction if Skynet is targetting JH, I think it's more likely that Savannah is a major player in the future. This would also explain why Weaver was replaced with a not-quite-benevolent T1000... to protect the mission, the girl, and JH. She is their Cameron, effectively.

I think it also proves that Skynet has no idea that Weaver is a T1000. Or maybe she wasn't a T1000 in the timeline that Terminator was sent from. And that cements the fact that she is a third faction, and almost certainly related to (if not IS) the T1000 on the sub.

[goatface]

Originally Posted by mek

Apparently all the metal Skynet sent back in time was sent back from the SAME point in the future - and immediately after that initial wave of terminators were sent, the resistance disabled/stole the time travel tech..

That changed with TSCC. The Resistance built their own time machine and skynet has a working one to.

[rinthea]

The best episode of the series. Love how John Henry's intelligence is noticeably increasing.

I think that John Henry is the good faction from the future. The T-1000 from the future eventually changed its mind and has come back to the present to help out and create John Henry.

John Henry's brother is trying to kill John Henry by using the Connor group. He sent people after them and planted the picture of Savannah on that phone so they would come after John Henry and try and destroy him.
He then instigated the kidnapping, knowing Savannah would spill the beans.

John Henry protected himself by incarcerating Sarah Connor.


Next weeks episode is set up for more awesome. I hope they're not doing anything stupid like having the week off for easter.

[Rythonn]

I was out of town and just watched the latest on Hulu and god damn what an amazing episode. Sucks they killed off Derek, I thought he was an amazing character. With Sarah locked away, they are really driving that all alone point home.

John Henry tipping off the police would be a fantastic plot twist, and I think Skynet want's Savannah dead because she, not Elison, teaches John Henry right from wrong. John Henry even said that Elison is not right for him, and also he specifically asked if Savannah was important for his future. While Weaver might have said no, I think the writers were trying to show us that she is.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Rythonn

John Henry tipping off the police would be a fantastic plot twist, and I think Skynet want's Savannah dead because she, not Elison, teaches John Henry right from wrong. John Henry even said that Elison is not right for him, and also he specifically asked if Savannah was important for his future. While Weaver might have said no, I think the writers were trying to show us that she is.

Don't forget that Skynet tried to kill Ellison too, in Brothers of Nabulus, Season 2, Episode 7

That in and of itself means that both he and Savannah are critical to some project or another, but they're really half-assing it if it's John Henry

[Stosh]

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

The more I think about it, the more I think that something doesn't smell right about the Savannah plot.

Why would skynet want to kill/kidnap Savannah? So her mother stops working on John Henry? But why would it bother trying to blackmail a T1000? Weaver doesn't give 2 shits about the girl, the girl is just around for keeping up appearances mostly, her main concern is John Henry.

My guess is that Savannah's relationship with John Henry is what convinces JH that humans are "worth saving" and is the motivation that JH uses if he is to fight against Skynet, or to prevent JH from killing all humans if he becomes Skynet.

[column]

You also don't know weaver's orders. John Henry may not be the only item she was sent back in time to protect...

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only thing i'm unsure of is HOW weaver/the 3rd faction got sent back in time. I mean, it can't be easy to make time travel devices :| I imagine the humans and skynet factions have one, but since weaver/3rd faction turned down working for the humans how would it even get back in time?