Albums?

VelMonk · 12-18-2002, 07:39 PM

Best Ever:
Worst Ever:
Ground-Breaker:
Best Debut:
Worst Debut:
Overrated:
Underrated:

Discuss.

Rafajafar · 12-18-2002, 07:55 PM

Best Ever: O.K. Computer -- Radiohead
Worst Ever: Frogstomp -- Silverchair
Ground-Breaker: Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness -- Smashing Pumpkins ; Amnesiac -- Radiohead
Best Debut: Nevermind -- Nirvana
Worst Debut: Tearin' Up My Heart -- N*Sync
Overrated: Thriller -- M..J.
Underrated: Rooty -- Basement Jaxx

Stroker Ace · 12-18-2002, 09:09 PM

Best Ever: Dj Shadow - Endtroducing...
Worst Ever: All the Creed Albums
Ground-Breaker: Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst
Best Debut: Mr. Bungle - Mr. Bungle
Worst Debut: Justin Timberlake - Justified
Overrated: Mudvayne - L.D. 50
Underrated: Jedi Mind Tricks - Violent By Design

Poker In the rear · 12-18-2002, 09:50 PM

Please forgive my biasness...

Best Ever: Pearl Jam - Yield... Simply amazing CD. Great lyrics, great music all together. Easy to listen to every song all the way through... Even "Red Dot" ROCKS!! hehe :-P

Worst Ever: Being a Pearl Jam fan I must hate Creed... But seriously.. the worst album that I'm actually pissed a someone would give me as a present was some Godsmack CD. Every fucking song sounded the same

Best Debut: Pearl Jam- Ten... I mean seriously... was there ever a doubt.... Totally kick ass album, and its not even their best one.

Worst Debut: Lets see here....Probably N* sync or some crappy crap

Overrated: Most of the current teenie bopper shit... Radio Head O.K Computer ( flame me for this, but to me only a few tracks are actually worth listening too, and after all it is my opinion :-P)

Underrated: Binaural by Pearl Jam... This is viewed as one of the weaker Pearl Jam Cd's by a lot of hardcore PJ fans... But this one totally kicks ass. Naturally, it takes a few listens to get into it. Kick ass though

Poker in the Rear

Rafajafar · 12-18-2002, 10:19 PM

FLAME ON! O.K. Computer is one of the best albums produced...EVER!

Radiohead > Pearl Jam...if you disagree, remember, you're wrong, I'm right.

Bledynn · 12-18-2002, 11:01 PM

Best Ever: Radiohead- O.K. Computer. Hard to beat the Beatles, but I give them the nod being that it's the best I've heard that was recorded in my lifetime.

Worst Ever: Creed- My Own Prison, or whatever it's called. Got it at the radio station I work at and used it as a frisbie after one listen. It's not even funny bad, like Manowar, it's that "we take ourselves waaaay too seriously" kind of bad, which is the worst kind. It sounded exactly like the hundreds of other C-grade Pear Jam rip-off cds that used to come to us every day, yet somehow they got noticed while most of the others faded away. /shrug

Ground-Breaker: My Bloody Valentine- Loveless. It wasn't the first by them, but this is the most fleshed out realization of Kevin Shields' genius. Sounds like an album from another planet, and yet it's still just your basic guitar band.

Best Debut: Ramones- Ramones. Start to finish a bad ass kick in the teeth of an album.

Worst Debut: Umm, see Creed above.

Overrated: Too many to even think about. My brain just overloads when I try. If I mentioned some of the biggest ones I'd probably be stoned to death.

Underrated: Hrmm, how about Murder Ballads, by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds? There's probably more deserving, but this is the one that popped in my head. Most reviewers don't seem to get him, most people don't seem to like him. Every review I read of it when it came out trashed it for being so violent, but it's one of my favorite of his albums.

Nimbik · 12-19-2002, 02:11 AM

I'm gonna make this list on personal preference.

Best Ever: Beastie Boys-Paul's Boutique
Worst Ever: I tend to try not to buy bad albums, so I can't name any names, but obviously crap by linkin park, creed, etc
Ground-Breaker: Pixies-Death to Pixies album that made me first understand that there was an alternative scene
Best Debut: Led Zeppelin-I
Worst Debut: As with worst ever, I try not to buy bad albums
Overrated: Sgt. Pepper's
Underrated: Revolver

Poker In the rear · 12-19-2002, 12:30 PM

You have every right to think the Radiohead is better than Pearl Jam... But they are not :-(.. hehe its ok different folks like different music... but in 15 or 20 years I have a feeling Pearl Jam will still be making great music... again just my opinion... they are built to last

Poker in the Rear

somecleric · 12-19-2002, 12:31 PM

Best Ever: My Bloody Valentine - Loveless

If there's any justice, Kevin Shields will go down with Brian Eno and Brian Wilson as one of the finest composers of the 20th century. Just like Eno and Wilson, at his best, like on Loveless, Shields did things no one had ever done before, and he did it better than anyone who would attempt to follow could ever hope to do. Loveless, from the moment it first assaults you with it's multi layered guitar distortion to the moment it fades out with it's still layered and distorted guitars over Shield and Butcher's subdued harmonies, is perfect, in every way. No other album has ever sounded like this, and it's unlikely anyone will ever come close.

Worse Ever: The Velvet Underground - Squeeze

It's easy to make a bad album. To truly be worst ever, you have to commit a crime against humanity. Like releasing an album as The Velvet Underground with none of the original members, and in fact, just one member who even shared a stage with Lou Reed and Maureen Tucker (but never John Cale or Sterling Morrison). Doug Yule, John Cale's replacement, released this horrible, unredeemable album 2 years after the band had broken up, inexplicably under the Velvet Underground moniker. Creed always sucked and will always suck, you don't expect anything from them, but for a replacement bass player to stain the legacy of one of the greatest band's ever, that's truly awful.

Ground Breaker: The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground

No album broke as much ground as this. It set the stage for punk, garage, goth, glam, noise, shoegazer, industrial, new wave, twee and virtually every other defining style of the last quarter century. There's virtually no modern band who doesn't owe something to John Cale, Sterling Morrison, Maureen Tucker and Lou Reed.

Best Debut: Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures

Joy Division always had an urgency, a desperation, a need for something surrounding them, even from the start. Martin Hannett's production was simply revolutionary, you almost feel like you're standing in the middle of the band as they work through Disorder, you can feel Ian Curtis begging you, pleading with you to help him. Unknown Pleasures is almost the greatest album ever, the only reason Loveless surpasses it is because Closer and especially Love Will Tear Us Apart show that Joy Division, despite their incredible recorded output, never quite reached their peak.

Worst Debut: No pick.

It's hard to commit a crime against music when no one knows who you are, so pass.

Overrated: Nirvana - Nevermind

One of the best albums ever, but it wasn't even the best of 1991. That honour belongs to Loveless. It wasn't even Nirvana's best, as Incesticide surpasses it in nearly every way. Don't get me wrong, it's incredible, but it's not the defining album everyone holds it up as.

Underrated: Microphones - It Was Hot, We Stayed In The Water

You know, I had trouble deciding between this, the Beach Boy's Pet Sounds (which is another contender for greatest album of all time, but not really underrated anymore) and Tiger Trap's debut. It think this one wins just because no one's heard it, which is depressing. Phil Elvrum not only is a studio genius, coaxing sound from virtually anything, he's also written some of the most incredible songs ever, especially Ice, Sand and The Glow, off this album. You haven't experienced music until you listen to a song built from tape clicks, static and multiple vocal tracks.

Andvari_Swiftedge · 12-19-2002, 09:22 PM

Best Ever: Nirvana - Nevermind
Worst Ever: Anything by Creed
Ground-Breaker: Nirvana - In Utero
Best Debut: Green Day - Dookie
Worst Debut: Lots could fit here
Overrated: Kid Rock, Creed, Linkin Park, etc
Underrated: Bush - Golden State

Stroker Ace · 12-19-2002, 09:37 PM

Green Day - Dookie was a great album, but wasnt there debute.

Andvari_Swiftedge · 12-19-2002, 09:47 PM

Oops you're right, was gonna say someone put Nevermind as Nirvana's debut which is also false

Rafajafar · 12-19-2002, 10:03 PM

Bleach doesn't count, debut albums get played on the radio..as in debuted to the public. Their first album didn't even sell outside of Seatle until much later.

BUT if your definition of debut means first album, then yes, Bleach is it...but it's not their best work, IMO.

Synd D`nys · 12-19-2002, 11:09 PM

Best Ever: Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon. Though The Wall is a very close second.

Worst Ever: Something that I don't listen to.

Ground-Breaker: Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath. ...and Ozzy, Tony, Geezer and Bill spake saying, let there be metal.

Best Debut: Pearl Jam - Ten

Worst Debut: Something that I don't listen to.

Overrated: Nirvana - Nevermind. Great album but it gets far too many accolades as best album ever or album of the decade etc, imo.

Underrated: Queensryche - Promised Land. Absolutely brilliant album that is always overshadowed by Operation: Mindcrime and Empire.

12-18-2002, 07:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
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12-18-2002, 07:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
Rafajafar Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Yorktown, VA, USA Posts: 4 -1 Internets	RAWR! Best Ever: O.K. Computer -- Radiohead Worst Ever: Frogstomp -- Silverchair Ground-Breaker: Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness -- Smashing Pumpkins ; Amnesiac -- Radiohead Best Debut: Nevermind -- Nirvana Worst Debut: Tearin' Up My Heart -- N*Sync Overrated: Thriller -- M..J. Underrated: Rooty -- Basement Jaxx

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Synd D`nys The root of all evil Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hockeytown, U.S.A. Posts: 548 +0 Internets	Best Ever: Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon. Though The Wall is a very close second. Worst Ever: Something that I don't listen to. Ground-Breaker: Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath. ...and Ozzy, Tony, Geezer and Bill spake saying, let there be metal. Best Debut: Pearl Jam - Ten Worst Debut: Something that I don't listen to. Overrated: Nirvana - Nevermind. Great album but it gets far too many accolades as best album ever or album of the decade etc, imo. Underrated: Queensryche - Promised Land. Absolutely brilliant album that is always overshadowed by Operation: Mindcrime and Empire. __________________ EverQuest free since 7/03 Last edited by Synd D`nys : 12-19-2002 at 11:13 PM.

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12-18-2002, 09:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
Stroker Ace Posts to Make Love to Your Old Lady By Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 805	Best Ever: Dj Shadow - Endtroducing... Worst Ever: All the Creed Albums Ground-Breaker: Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst Best Debut: Mr. Bungle - Mr. Bungle Worst Debut: Justin Timberlake - Justified Overrated: Mudvayne - L.D. 50 Underrated: Jedi Mind Tricks - Violent By Design

12-18-2002, 09:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
Poker In the rear Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cali/Mass Posts: 156 +0 Internets	Please forgive my biasness... Best Ever: Pearl Jam - Yield... Simply amazing CD. Great lyrics, great music all together. Easy to listen to every song all the way through... Even "Red Dot" ROCKS!! hehe :-P Worst Ever: Being a Pearl Jam fan I must hate Creed... But seriously.. the worst album that I'm actually pissed a someone would give me as a present was some Godsmack CD. Every fucking song sounded the same Best Debut: Pearl Jam- Ten... I mean seriously... was there ever a doubt.... Totally kick ass album, and its not even their best one. Worst Debut: Lets see here....Probably N* sync or some crappy crap Overrated: Most of the current teenie bopper shit... Radio Head O.K Computer ( flame me for this, but to me only a few tracks are actually worth listening too, and after all it is my opinion :-P) Underrated: Binaural by Pearl Jam... This is viewed as one of the weaker Pearl Jam Cd's by a lot of hardcore PJ fans... But this one totally kicks ass. Naturally, it takes a few listens to get into it. Kick ass though Poker in the Rear

12-18-2002, 10:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
Rafajafar Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Yorktown, VA, USA Posts: 4 -1 Internets	FLAME ON! O.K. Computer is one of the best albums produced...EVER! Radiohead > Pearl Jam...if you disagree, remember, you're wrong, I'm right.

12-18-2002, 11:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
Bledynn Mooninite Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Moon Rulz #1 Posts: 197 -1 Internets	Best Ever: Radiohead- O.K. Computer. Hard to beat the Beatles, but I give them the nod being that it's the best I've heard that was recorded in my lifetime. Worst Ever: Creed- My Own Prison, or whatever it's called. Got it at the radio station I work at and used it as a frisbie after one listen. It's not even funny bad, like Manowar, it's that "we take ourselves waaaay too seriously" kind of bad, which is the worst kind. It sounded exactly like the hundreds of other C-grade Pear Jam rip-off cds that used to come to us every day, yet somehow they got noticed while most of the others faded away. /shrug Ground-Breaker: My Bloody Valentine- Loveless. It wasn't the first by them, but this is the most fleshed out realization of Kevin Shields' genius. Sounds like an album from another planet, and yet it's still just your basic guitar band. Best Debut: Ramones- Ramones. Start to finish a bad ass kick in the teeth of an album. Worst Debut: Umm, see Creed above. Overrated: Too many to even think about. My brain just overloads when I try. If I mentioned some of the biggest ones I'd probably be stoned to death. Underrated: Hrmm, how about Murder Ballads, by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds? There's probably more deserving, but this is the one that popped in my head. Most reviewers don't seem to get him, most people don't seem to like him. Every review I read of it when it came out trashed it for being so violent, but it's one of my favorite of his albums.

12-19-2002, 02:11 AM	#7 (permalink)
Nimbik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 78 -1 Internets	I'm gonna make this list on personal preference. Best Ever: Beastie Boys-Paul's Boutique Worst Ever: I tend to try not to buy bad albums, so I can't name any names, but obviously crap by linkin park, creed, etc Ground-Breaker: Pixies-Death to Pixies album that made me first understand that there was an alternative scene Best Debut: Led Zeppelin-I Worst Debut: As with worst ever, I try not to buy bad albums Overrated: Sgt. Pepper's Underrated: Revolver

12-19-2002, 12:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
Poker In the rear Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cali/Mass Posts: 156 +0 Internets	You have every right to think the Radiohead is better than Pearl Jam... But they are not :-(.. hehe its ok different folks like different music... but in 15 or 20 years I have a feeling Pearl Jam will still be making great music... again just my opinion... they are built to last Poker in the Rear

12-19-2002, 12:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
somecleric Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 121 -1 Internets	Best Ever: My Bloody Valentine - Loveless If there's any justice, Kevin Shields will go down with Brian Eno and Brian Wilson as one of the finest composers of the 20th century. Just like Eno and Wilson, at his best, like on Loveless, Shields did things no one had ever done before, and he did it better than anyone who would attempt to follow could ever hope to do. Loveless, from the moment it first assaults you with it's multi layered guitar distortion to the moment it fades out with it's still layered and distorted guitars over Shield and Butcher's subdued harmonies, is perfect, in every way. No other album has ever sounded like this, and it's unlikely anyone will ever come close. Worse Ever: The Velvet Underground - Squeeze It's easy to make a bad album. To truly be worst ever, you have to commit a crime against humanity. Like releasing an album as The Velvet Underground with none of the original members, and in fact, just one member who even shared a stage with Lou Reed and Maureen Tucker (but never John Cale or Sterling Morrison). Doug Yule, John Cale's replacement, released this horrible, unredeemable album 2 years after the band had broken up, inexplicably under the Velvet Underground moniker. Creed always sucked and will always suck, you don't expect anything from them, but for a replacement bass player to stain the legacy of one of the greatest band's ever, that's truly awful. Ground Breaker: The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground No album broke as much ground as this. It set the stage for punk, garage, goth, glam, noise, shoegazer, industrial, new wave, twee and virtually every other defining style of the last quarter century. There's virtually no modern band who doesn't owe something to John Cale, Sterling Morrison, Maureen Tucker and Lou Reed. Best Debut: Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures Joy Division always had an urgency, a desperation, a need for something surrounding them, even from the start. Martin Hannett's production was simply revolutionary, you almost feel like you're standing in the middle of the band as they work through Disorder, you can feel Ian Curtis begging you, pleading with you to help him. Unknown Pleasures is almost the greatest album ever, the only reason Loveless surpasses it is because Closer and especially Love Will Tear Us Apart show that Joy Division, despite their incredible recorded output, never quite reached their peak. Worst Debut: No pick. It's hard to commit a crime against music when no one knows who you are, so pass. Overrated: Nirvana - Nevermind One of the best albums ever, but it wasn't even the best of 1991. That honour belongs to Loveless. It wasn't even Nirvana's best, as Incesticide surpasses it in nearly every way. Don't get me wrong, it's incredible, but it's not the defining album everyone holds it up as. Underrated: Microphones - It Was Hot, We Stayed In The Water You know, I had trouble deciding between this, the Beach Boy's Pet Sounds (which is another contender for greatest album of all time, but not really underrated anymore) and Tiger Trap's debut. It think this one wins just because no one's heard it, which is depressing. Phil Elvrum not only is a studio genius, coaxing sound from virtually anything, he's also written some of the most incredible songs ever, especially Ice, Sand and The Glow, off this album. You haven't experienced music until you listen to a song built from tape clicks, static and multiple vocal tracks.

12-19-2002, 09:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
Andvari_Swiftedge Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 29 -1 Internets	Best Ever: Nirvana - Nevermind Worst Ever: Anything by Creed Ground-Breaker: Nirvana - In Utero Best Debut: Green Day - Dookie Worst Debut: Lots could fit here Overrated: Kid Rock, Creed, Linkin Park, etc Underrated: Bush - Golden State

12-19-2002, 09:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
Stroker Ace Posts to Make Love to Your Old Lady By Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 805	Green Day - Dookie was a great album, but wasnt there debute.

12-19-2002, 09:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
Andvari_Swiftedge Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 29 -1 Internets	Oops you're right, was gonna say someone put Nevermind as Nirvana's debut which is also false

12-19-2002, 10:03 PM	#13 (permalink)
Rafajafar Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Yorktown, VA, USA Posts: 4 -1 Internets	Bleach doesn't count, debut albums get played on the radio..as in debuted to the public. Their first album didn't even sell outside of Seatle until much later. BUT if your definition of debut means first album, then yes, Bleach is it...but it's not their best work, IMO.