Some People are lucky they are dead (yes about music)

Worfless · 11-18-2002, 10:18 PM

Ever noticed how much fame nirvana and sublime have just because they're dead? i mean the new stuff from nirvana really bites ass.

i asked a guy at my high school today who was wearing a sublime t-shirt to name one fucking song performed by sublime, it took him ten minutes to come up with "Smoke Two Joints" then he second guessed himself and said that that one was by afro man.

i proceeded to knee him in the balls and tell him to bite the curb and I did him in American History X style.

what i'm rambling about is if i were to go fucking kill music_fag_01 from a shitty band they are suddenly idolized because i'm an asshole

where the fuck is the love for Link 80?

Kiss had two guys try and die out to kill the band (ya fuck you replacement assholes) but they still playin at thier museum.

to sum up my rant i hate you and please send money to the CA penal system in an envelope labeled "For: The State versus Weiße Drachen" they'll forward it to me.............

moltenfists · 11-18-2002, 11:49 PM

ok lets get a few htings straight now.

sublime was great before bradley died, they had a good following some of us who liked them are still fans, and personally some decent music came from them even before he died.

nirvana, kirk cobain is arguable one of the best songwriters of HIS generation, great writers are often great because somehting has effected them personally or tragically, kirk was a downer, and a person hooked on drugs, sadly lead to his deadth(suposedly)

so before you go spewing yurou bullshit uninformed opinion of what YOU think it should be, dopn't cause your an idiot.

Fender · 11-19-2002, 12:43 AM

Before you call him an idiot....GET COBAIN'S GOD DAMNED NAME RIGHT.

K-U-R-T

ShamusChad · 11-19-2002, 01:25 AM

But now we have the foo fighters, so it's all good.

Nimbik · 11-19-2002, 02:10 AM

The Doors, Nirvana, and Sublime all got overrated the moment their lead's died. Now, I'm not saying they suck, for they are all good bands, but are they so overrated it's sickening? yep.

Nimbik · 11-19-2002, 02:11 AM

oh, and I have to get out my distaste for the Foos, they really suck. They go completely off of Nirvana's fame, and really make shit music.

Szlia · 11-19-2002, 02:20 AM

Between Queens of the Stone Age and Foo Fighters, Dave Grohl is involved in some pretty good music recently. I was never too impressed by Foo Fighters, but I must say that last single has a simplicity and an energy that I enjoy. Add to this the always neat changes in the singing style during the song and you have a tight single.

I am hearing the new album is on a whole new level compared to their earlier production... good for them and good for us I guess

ShamusChad · 11-19-2002, 04:17 AM

When was Sublime ever overrated? The only reason people have this perception is because most people own Sublime - Sublime...because it's really good. They never got much MTV airtime but their songs did make the radio enough to spread the word.

Their style was original, they incoporated several styles into their music and they weren't afraid to say things others might be in their songs.

Some people don't like them...yea ok..but the fact that everyone and their grandma probably has an album of theirs without the extreme publicity of today says something.

Schar · 11-19-2002, 06:37 AM

You've got to remember that Nirvana basically introduced and made famous grunge music to the world. Were they the first grunge band? Hell no, not even close. But they were the first grunge band to really make it big, inspiring all kinds of new bands and new music. Think of music pre-1991 and post 1991 - the difference is basically because of Nirvana.

So, of course a band like that will get the praise and attention they should get. I think that they have gotten more attention than they would have if Kurt hadn't died, but no more than they deserve.

somecleric · 11-19-2002, 12:51 PM

You may think Nirvana are overrated, but they deserve credit for changing music in the early 90s. It's easy to look back now and say, 'Nirvana were just ripping off The Meat Puppets and The Pixies and Sonic Youth', but those bands, and hundreds more, would barely warrant a footnote in music history if Nirvana hadn't broken the music industry open.

If you weren't around then, you really can't understand how bad radio and mtv were, but trust me, they were bad. It wasn't just grunge that Nirvana carried into the spotlight, it was industrial and art rock and electronica and noise pop and punk and alt rock and alternative too. If Nevermind hadn't been such a huge hit in 1991, we wouldn't have had our 7 year respite from cock rock and bubblegum pop on our radios and most of your favorite bands, including Tool, Radiohead, Beck, Pearl Jam, NIN, Massive Attack and Wilco, would never have crossed your radar.

Solutions · 11-19-2002, 11:10 PM

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oh, and I have to get out my distaste for the Foos, they really suck. They go completely off of Nirvana's fame, and really make shit music.

Hey, you dont like Foo fighters, whatever. I highly enjoy them, i respect your opinion.

I just want to know why the fuck you think they go off Nirvana's fame? Because Grohl is the lead singer? gtfo if thats your only reason. Please inform me as to how he drags onto Kurt's coat-tails ..unlike Love.

Nimbik · 11-20-2002, 02:48 AM

because I think that he can't sing, and that the music itself is very dull. I think that if they were a band that didn't star the drummer of Nirvana they would never get a record contract. Also, saying the mtv and radio sucked, I wouldn't be able to say, cause I wasn't really listening back then, but you think that they don't suck today? To me it's all commercials, and for a readers album poll, it kills me to see Nirvana's Nevermind at the 2 spot, who cares if they brought it mainstream, it's still 2nd rate altrock.

Evelys · 11-20-2002, 07:07 AM

There isn't much love for Link 80 because they aren't that great of a ska band. Well, at least if they haven't improved since I saw 'em play last when they were opening for the Voodoo Glow Skulls.

Tancred · 11-20-2002, 08:06 AM

I think some people here are overstating Nirvana's influence. The whole Sub Pop sound of that era as well as the rest of the entire alt/indie scene deciding to stop being so gay and stamp on the fuzzboxes had as much to do with it as Nirvana's mass-market sell-out. Yeah it might have affected MTV and commercial radio but what music-lover listens to that anyway?

For my money Cobain only wrote a couple of decent tunes after "Bleach" and they were on Nevermind. Everything after that was self-indulgent wank packaged for grunge-pop teens IMHO.

The lasting influence of Nirvana? Where? Musically the sounds and bands of those times left very little mark beyond 4-5 years. And stuff like Tad, Mudhoney, Flour, Pixies (of course), Dinosaur Jr, was easily as good as Nirvana at their best. They just never had the pretty-boy smackfiend up front and never signed themselves to Geffen.

somecleric · 11-20-2002, 12:58 PM

I'll agree that Nirvana's influence didn't really last, but for a good 5-7 years, mainstream music didn't suck. Music has always worked in cycles, from 1967 to 1971 or so, popular music and quality music were the same (The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Velvet Underground, The Beach Boys, David Bowie...).

It happened again around 1978 and lasted until the early 80s. The Ramones, The Damned, The Sex Pistols and The Clash broke punk, and in their wake we got Joy Division, Wire, U2 (before they sucked), Blondie, The Talking Heads, OMD and a number of other great postpunk/new wave bands.

In 1991, it was Nirvana that served as the catalyst for the change. Suddenly, instead of The New Kids On The Block and MC Hammer, you got to see videos from Soundgarden and Tool, hear Mazzy Star and Massive Attack on the radio, and Radiohead, not Guns N Roses, were the hot act coming to town.

It never lasts, eventually the music collapses under it's own success, the market flooded with pale imitations of the most successful of the periods acts. Then we get what we have now, N'Sync, Britney, Avril, Linkin Park, System Of A Down, Audioslave and other crap, heard it all before groups.

That's not to say good music isn't being made during the down periods, it's just not the commercial music of the period. The Walkmen, The Microphones, Godspeed, Sigur Ros, Dntel, Sparklehorse, Capitol K, Fennesz and tons of other great bands are making great albums right now, but you're sure not going to see them on MTV, not like you did Nirvana and Pearl Jam and The Pixies.

Eventually, the next Nirvana will come along, get people excited about music again, and things will change for a while. The Strokes and The White Stripes had a chance, but the music industry acted fast, shoved The Hives and The Vines and Interpol down our throats, and turned the market segment into just another marketing opportunity.

11-18-2002, 10:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
Worfless Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,680 -1 Internets	Some People are lucky they are dead (yes about music) Ever noticed how much fame nirvana and sublime have just because they're dead? i mean the new stuff from nirvana really bites ass. i asked a guy at my high school today who was wearing a sublime t-shirt to name one fucking song performed by sublime, it took him ten minutes to come up with "Smoke Two Joints" then he second guessed himself and said that that one was by afro man. i proceeded to knee him in the balls and tell him to bite the curb and I did him in American History X style. what i'm rambling about is if i were to go fucking kill music_fag_01 from a shitty band they are suddenly idolized because i'm an asshole where the fuck is the love for Link 80? Kiss had two guys try and die out to kill the band (ya fuck you replacement assholes) but they still playin at thier museum. to sum up my rant i hate you and please send money to the CA penal system in an envelope labeled "For: The State versus Weiße Drachen" they'll forward it to me.............

11-19-2002, 02:20 AM	#7 (permalink)
Szlia Conquest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 4,669 +9 Internets	Between Queens of the Stone Age and Foo Fighters, Dave Grohl is involved in some pretty good music recently. I was never too impressed by Foo Fighters, but I must say that last single has a simplicity and an energy that I enjoy. Add to this the always neat changes in the singing style during the song and you have a tight single. I am hearing the new album is on a whole new level compared to their earlier production... good for them and good for us I guess __________________ -retrosabotage-

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11-18-2002, 11:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
moltenfists Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 113 +0 Internets	ok lets get a few htings straight now. sublime was great before bradley died, they had a good following some of us who liked them are still fans, and personally some decent music came from them even before he died. nirvana, kirk cobain is arguable one of the best songwriters of HIS generation, great writers are often great because somehting has effected them personally or tragically, kirk was a downer, and a person hooked on drugs, sadly lead to his deadth(suposedly) so before you go spewing yurou bullshit uninformed opinion of what YOU think it should be, dopn't cause your an idiot.

11-19-2002, 12:43 AM	#3 (permalink)
Fender Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 303 -1 Internets	Before you call him an idiot....GET COBAIN'S GOD DAMNED NAME RIGHT. K-U-R-T

11-19-2002, 01:25 AM	#4 (permalink)
ShamusChad Limey Bastard~ Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 691 -7 Internets	But now we have the foo fighters, so it's all good.

11-19-2002, 02:10 AM	#5 (permalink)
Nimbik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 78 -1 Internets	The Doors, Nirvana, and Sublime all got overrated the moment their lead's died. Now, I'm not saying they suck, for they are all good bands, but are they so overrated it's sickening? yep.

11-19-2002, 02:11 AM	#6 (permalink)
Nimbik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 78 -1 Internets	oh, and I have to get out my distaste for the Foos, they really suck. They go completely off of Nirvana's fame, and really make shit music.

11-19-2002, 04:17 AM	#8 (permalink)
ShamusChad Limey Bastard~ Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 691 -7 Internets	When was Sublime ever overrated? The only reason people have this perception is because most people own Sublime - Sublime...because it's really good. They never got much MTV airtime but their songs did make the radio enough to spread the word. Their style was original, they incoporated several styles into their music and they weren't afraid to say things others might be in their songs. Some people don't like them...yea ok..but the fact that everyone and their grandma probably has an album of theirs without the extreme publicity of today says something.

11-19-2002, 06:37 AM	#9 (permalink)
Schar Playing UT2k4 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 776 -1 Internets	You've got to remember that Nirvana basically introduced and made famous grunge music to the world. Were they the first grunge band? Hell no, not even close. But they were the first grunge band to really make it big, inspiring all kinds of new bands and new music. Think of music pre-1991 and post 1991 - the difference is basically because of Nirvana. So, of course a band like that will get the praise and attention they should get. I think that they have gotten more attention than they would have if Kurt hadn't died, but no more than they deserve.

11-19-2002, 12:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
somecleric Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 121 -1 Internets	You may think Nirvana are overrated, but they deserve credit for changing music in the early 90s. It's easy to look back now and say, 'Nirvana were just ripping off The Meat Puppets and The Pixies and Sonic Youth', but those bands, and hundreds more, would barely warrant a footnote in music history if Nirvana hadn't broken the music industry open. If you weren't around then, you really can't understand how bad radio and mtv were, but trust me, they were bad. It wasn't just grunge that Nirvana carried into the spotlight, it was industrial and art rock and electronica and noise pop and punk and alt rock and alternative too. If Nevermind hadn't been such a huge hit in 1991, we wouldn't have had our 7 year respite from cock rock and bubblegum pop on our radios and most of your favorite bands, including Tool, Radiohead, Beck, Pearl Jam, NIN, Massive Attack and Wilco, would never have crossed your radar.

11-20-2002, 02:48 AM	#12 (permalink)
Nimbik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 78 -1 Internets	because I think that he can't sing, and that the music itself is very dull. I think that if they were a band that didn't star the drummer of Nirvana they would never get a record contract. Also, saying the mtv and radio sucked, I wouldn't be able to say, cause I wasn't really listening back then, but you think that they don't suck today? To me it's all commercials, and for a readers album poll, it kills me to see Nirvana's Nevermind at the 2 spot, who cares if they brought it mainstream, it's still 2nd rate altrock.

11-20-2002, 07:07 AM	#13 (permalink)
Evelys The Anti-Gnome Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: South of Hell Posts: 163	There isn't much love for Link 80 because they aren't that great of a ska band. Well, at least if they haven't improved since I saw 'em play last when they were opening for the Voodoo Glow Skulls.

11-20-2002, 08:06 AM	#14 (permalink)
Tancred Aieee my precious internetz >< Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UK Posts: 586 -19 Internets	I think some people here are overstating Nirvana's influence. The whole Sub Pop sound of that era as well as the rest of the entire alt/indie scene deciding to stop being so gay and stamp on the fuzzboxes had as much to do with it as Nirvana's mass-market sell-out. Yeah it might have affected MTV and commercial radio but what music-lover listens to that anyway? For my money Cobain only wrote a couple of decent tunes after "Bleach" and they were on Nevermind. Everything after that was self-indulgent wank packaged for grunge-pop teens IMHO. The lasting influence of Nirvana? Where? Musically the sounds and bands of those times left very little mark beyond 4-5 years. And stuff like Tad, Mudhoney, Flour, Pixies (of course), Dinosaur Jr, was easily as good as Nirvana at their best. They just never had the pretty-boy smackfiend up front and never signed themselves to Geffen.

11-20-2002, 12:58 PM	#15 (permalink)
somecleric Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 121 -1 Internets	I'll agree that Nirvana's influence didn't really last, but for a good 5-7 years, mainstream music didn't suck. Music has always worked in cycles, from 1967 to 1971 or so, popular music and quality music were the same (The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Velvet Underground, The Beach Boys, David Bowie...). It happened again around 1978 and lasted until the early 80s. The Ramones, The Damned, The Sex Pistols and The Clash broke punk, and in their wake we got Joy Division, Wire, U2 (before they sucked), Blondie, The Talking Heads, OMD and a number of other great postpunk/new wave bands. In 1991, it was Nirvana that served as the catalyst for the change. Suddenly, instead of The New Kids On The Block and MC Hammer, you got to see videos from Soundgarden and Tool, hear Mazzy Star and Massive Attack on the radio, and Radiohead, not Guns N Roses, were the hot act coming to town. It never lasts, eventually the music collapses under it's own success, the market flooded with pale imitations of the most successful of the periods acts. Then we get what we have now, N'Sync, Britney, Avril, Linkin Park, System Of A Down, Audioslave and other crap, heard it all before groups. That's not to say good music isn't being made during the down periods, it's just not the commercial music of the period. The Walkmen, The Microphones, Godspeed, Sigur Ros, Dntel, Sparklehorse, Capitol K, Fennesz and tons of other great bands are making great albums right now, but you're sure not going to see them on MTV, not like you did Nirvana and Pearl Jam and The Pixies. Eventually, the next Nirvana will come along, get people excited about music again, and things will change for a while. The Strokes and The White Stripes had a chance, but the music industry acted fast, shoved The Hives and The Vines and Interpol down our throats, and turned the market segment into just another marketing opportunity.