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11-16-2002, 09:19 AM
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| Sons of the Storm Heal Bitch  Join Date: May 2003
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+1 Internets | Question about Rap. Why do you like it? The themes, in my opinion, are nothing short of horrible. It's a bunch of cussing, violent, idiotic words thrown together with something that might be called a beat. I don't understand how anyone could like it, so please enlighten me  That is to say, tell me *why* you like rap. |
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11-16-2002, 10:21 AM
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| i like a bunch of 2pac's stuff, along with assorted numbers by crazy nigs like snoop dog, dr. dre, ol dirty bastard, enimen, lords of the underground, jay-z etc. as for 2pac i think the stories he tells via his lyrics are pretty cool, and i just LOVE the beats and the rhythm itself. and the 'here we are, get out of our way' attitude, mixed with the heavy bass beats if you want beats, listen to rap....how can you tell it 'something that might be called a beat'? the heaviest bass beats are found in rap.the other i mentioned just make some insane songs sometimes, which sound fun. dissing other people, being rude, cussing like mad, etc. eminem's 'without me' is just hilarious. same with ol dirty bastard feat. Kelin's 'I got cha money', heavy beats and fun lyrics. kinda sad that mtv pop has butchered rap though. suddenly every damn white female singer needs to feature some black rapper and they think they're down with teh phat beats and 'REAL' wowow. (fu jennifer lopez). |
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11-16-2002, 12:59 PM
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| Posts to Make Love to Your Old Lady By Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Austin, Texas
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| There is many reasons why I enjoy Rap/Hip-Hip, Also alot of Rap/Hip-Hop I fucking hate. 3 things that I look for in a song: 1.) Clean and intelligent lyrics. I hate groups that sing the same shit and say the same shit in every fucking song I hear (ex. Ying Yang Twins, Nappy Roots, Most HotBoyz). Artists like Blackalicious, Zion I, Hieroglyphics, and Jurassic 5 are an example that not all rappers are hardcore thugs, and have more to say then most other rappers by keeping there shit diverse. (Not saying I dont like Gangsta Rap, but some shit I cant stand) 3 songs with great lyrics: - Blackalicious - Alphabet Aerobics - Cunninlynguists - 616 Rewind - Jurassic Five - The Influence 2.) Tight beats. Without a tight beat, it's not a tight song 90% of the time. Most all Rap/Hip-Hop is made from Samples, Beat Machines, Keyboards and Editing Software. Hell, The Roots, Outkast, and a couple more bands I have seen live have there own bands. It takes more talent then most people think. If I cant feel the beat, I probably wont like the song. 3 songs with tight beats: - Atmosphere - Lovelife (great lyricist also) - The Roots - The Next Movement (have a band, back up singers, a dj, and a Beatboxxer by the name of Rahzel.) - Mr. Lif - Jugular Vein (I fucking love evil beats) 3.) The Vibe. I listen to all kinds of music. Rap, Deathmetal, Funk, Turntablism, Jungle, some types of rock, all kinds of shit. If I cant party to it, I probably wont like it. Hope that answered your question, if it didnt you can fuck off  EDIT: Also, if you need to know somthing or want me to resopond , I am in the process of moving today and wont have an ISP for a full week. Thank the fucking lord for Warcraft III, Age of Mythology, and Icewind Dale II. Last edited by Stroker Ace : 11-16-2002 at 01:14 PM. |
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11-16-2002, 06:38 PM
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| Conquest  Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Switzerland
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+6 Internets | That's not easy to answer... but as you can see I'll try :P First, being a teenager in the late 80s, early 90s there were not that many music to be liked (that was my feelings at the time but they got a bit of nuance). Rap and Hip-Hop was something pretty new in Europe (at least in the french speaking part of it) and many bands were pop'ing around (Some still very active - IAM, NTM - some pretty much gone - Assassin, Sense Unik). These were the days of A Tribe Called Quest and De La Soul, which were a bit more mellow and sounded a bit less stupid than stuff like Ice-T, posing with guns and chicks in swimsuits on the cover of his albums... Second, I like the work and ingenuity that rapping requires when it comes to write lyrics that flow well. I must admit that I am not too concerned about the meaning of the lyrics, because rapped english slang is pretty hard to understand to me, so if it sounds good, I am happy most of the time. Anyway, the two big tendencies in rap lyrics are the Ego Trip (which is kinda funny but pretty much stops being so when real killing is suddenly involved) and Social Reality so to say. I like both aspects. No other music says "I" with that much vigor and I feel more concerned when IAM sings about drugs than when Celine Dion sings about eternal love. Third, I love the music itself and how it interacts with the rapping. Sampling, Scratching, Cutting… repetition, simplicity and ingenuity are really at work. Note that this approach is recognized even outside the simple rap/hip-hop area. Dr Dre, Timbaland and The Neptunes are producing tons of songs a year for the most mainstream pop artists and I feel they really bring pop to a whole new level (but that's another debate so I'll stop here). I will add that it would be very unfair to put a label on the whole music that involves rapping, which is only a singing technique after all, or the whole Hip-Hop scene. The Fugees sound nothing like Snoop Doggy Dogg, who sounds nothing like the Beastie Boys, who sound nothing like Afu-Ra, who sounds nothing like Missy Elliot, who sounds nothing like Ms. Dynamite, who sounds nothing like Truth Hurts and the list goes on and on and on... If you want some great lyrical skill (and don't mind some stupid Ego Trip) lend a hear to Flipmode Squad. If you want a more "jazzy" musicality and people that make some sense I would indeed recommend the Black Eyed Peas and also The Roots or a band I never saw named here, The Pharcyde (Maybe they only made that one album my brother has?). For some musical oddities, maybe try and listen to Anti-pop Consortium or that pretty hot english band: The Streets. I’ll leave the final word to them: “You say that every thing sounds the same Then you go buy them! There's no excuses my friend Let's push things forward” -- The Streets / Let’s Push Things Forward / Original Pirate Material PS: ok that's way too long... bah
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11-16-2002, 08:54 PM
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| Sons of the Storm Heal Bitch Join Date: May 2003
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+1 Internets | I appreciate.. all the replies. I'm not averse to Rap, mostly my dislike is born out of ignorance and coloured by the little I know of the genre. I'll give a listen to a few of the recommended artists/songs. Thank you |
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11-16-2002, 09:33 PM
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| Read the lyrics and udnerstand them and what they are coming from. They don't say that they are going to kill somebody, they say why. That's a bunch of bullshit though, here's some examples to read: A lonely teenage daydream of things I just might be A surreal kind of thinking keeps on drifting in on me My twisted body is lifeless, not so their twisted minds Peace through power their motto, power for peace their crime Product of our environment Maybe one day they will legalize weed In the year 2Gs the planet could be deceased We plead to the fleas while we're beggin' on our knees In our hometown Cali with bears and green trees Birds and the bees, hot sand on the beach Shells in the sea and I'm living in peace Like a dog on a leash, locked up with no keys I gotta smoke under cover, motherfuck the police Yeah, see the magic hand pull a rabbit from a hat The law's an illusion, as simple as that Putting us in jail, funding it with our tax I can see the wires in the levitating act I can hear the lies and they're calling them facts I can see the bars and they're lookin off track I read between the lines but the lines are all cracked I can feel the knife turning in my back How would life be if the world smoked weed? Guaranteed there'd be peace not greed See, it's hell, living in a cell Legalize the plant only time will tell You are a sacred being of light Projected into reality for a purpose Demand the right to your moment In this holographic gift with no rules, no borders Except for those who you choose to accept and live by Abolish government, it's nothing to me Forget about god, he's not here to see We live by a system, a perfect mold People, perfect people, who are poor and old Lies were spent on a sad defense They said we're lookin for a method in this world ??? Presidents are named, Presidents are labeled highest man on the government table America, land of the free Free to the power of the people in uniform How would life be if the world smoked weed? Guaranteed there'd be peace not greed See, it's hell, living in a cell Legalize the plant only time will tell Society, fuck it, I've had enough The system's full of crooks, straight up corrupt You look like a decoy, bobbing like a duck And your money keeps 'em smokin' on a BC Bluff You're caught up in the headlights of my V-Dub bus TSOL and the Kings about to even things up Your birds will take all the air out the sky Bring em down to our level, you can run, can't hide Product of our environment A lonely teenage daydream of things I just might be A surreal kind of thinking keeps on drifting in on me My twisted body is lifeless, not so their twisted minds Peace through power their motto, power for peace their crime The government keeps tight control over the population While the schools teach the kids restricted education Murder, rape, sex, and underage prostitution They got the war on pot, they got the wrong solution I wake and I bake, nowhere to escape Livin' life in a tank, they invade my space Betrayed full of hate while they're shootin all blanks Society's lost in a paranoid state It's the illusion of ownership, it's take what you can get The banks are the loan sharks and everyone's in debt And if you get ahead how quickly you forget You're hanging from a burning rope without a safety net They tax you when you sell, they tax you when you buy They take half when you live, then they take half when you die These are the lies that they are stating as facts I can see the wires of the levitating act How would life be if the world smoked weed? Guaranteed there'd be peace not greed See, it's hell, living in a cell Legalize the plant only time will tell I'm glad that I can read, I'm glad that I can write I read their fuckin bullshit every single night When off in my head went a little fuckin light It told me what was wrong and it told me what was right World bank-power and control, issuing the money and they're dolin' out the roles Charging what they want to with the money they control Living in their nightmare, giving them your soul -Kottonmouth Kings, "Peace not Greed" [Verse1] Have you ever been hated, or discriminated against? I have. I've been protested and demonstrated against. Picket signs for my wicked rhymes, look at the times, Sick is the mind, of the motherfuckin' kid thats behind. All this commotion, emotions, run deep as oceans explodin', Tempers flarin' from parents, just blow him off and keep goin'. Not takin nothin' from noone give 'em hell as long as i'm breathin'. Keep kicking ass in the mornin' and taking names in the evenin'. Leave 'em with the taste of sourest vinager in their mouth. See they can trigger me, but they'll never figure me out. Look at me now, I'll bet your probably sick of me now. Aint you mama? I'ma make you look so ridiculous now. [Chorus] I'm sorry Mama. I never meant to hurt you. I never meant to make you cry, But tonight, I'm cleaning out my closet. One more time. I said I'm sorry Mama. I never meant to hurt you. I never meant to make you cry, But tonight, I'm cleaning out my closet. [Verse 2] I got some skeletons in my closet, and I don't know if noone knows it. So before they throw me inside my coffin and close it, I'ma expose it. I'll take you back to '73, before I ever had a multi-platnium selling CD. I was a baby, maybe I was just a couple a months. My fagot father must had his panties up in a bunch, 'Cause he split. I wonder if he even kissed me good-bye. No I dont, on second thought I just fuckin wished he would die. I look at Hailie, and I couldnt picture leavin' her side. Even if I hated Kim, I'd grit my teeth and I'd try to make it work with her, at least for Hailie's sake. I maybe made some mistakes, but I'm only human, But I'm man enough to face em today. What I did was stupid, no doubt it was dumb, But the smartest shit I did was take the bullets out of that gun, 'Cause I'da killed em, shit I would'a' shot kim and 'im both. Its my life. I'd like to welcome y'all to the Eminem Show. [Chorus] I'm sorry Mama. I never meant to hurt you. I never meant to make you cry, But tonight, I'm cleaning out my closet. One more time. I said I'm sorry Mama. I never meant to hurt you. I never meant to make you cry, But tonight, I'm cleaning out my closet. [verse 3] Now I would never diss my own mama just to get recognition. Take a second to listen 'fore you think this record is dissin'. But put yourself in my position, just try to invision. Witnessing your mama poppin' prescription pills in the kitchen, Bitchin, that someone's always goin' through her purse and shit's missin'. Going through public housing systems, victim of Munchaussen Syndrome. My whole life I was made to believe I was sick when I wasn't, Till I grew up, now I blew up, it makes you sick to your stomach, doesn't it? Wasn't it the reason you made that cd for me Ma? So you could try to justify the way you treated me Ma? But guess what you gettin' older now when it's cold and your lonely. And Nathan's growing up so quick, he's gonna know that your phony. And Hailie's getting so big now, you should see her, she's beautiful. But you'll never see her, she won't even be at your funeral. See what hurts me the most is you wont admit you was wrong. Bitch, do your song, keep tellin' yourself that you was a mom! But how dare you try to take what you didn't help me to get? You selfish bitch, I hope you fuckin' burn in hell for this shit! Remember when Roney died, and you said you wished it was me? Well guess what, I am dead, dead to you as can be! -Eminem, "Cleaning out my Closet" there's a shitload more. The Rap i am familiar with has to do with expressing sadness, despair, rage, or comedy for the most part. Read the lyrics, the good shit is a form of poetry. The bad shit is what your stereo type is, pointless violence form hypocrits who don't know shit about what they're saying.
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11-17-2002, 12:14 AM
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  |  Any rap beyond the beat for dancing is pure shit... and most of the beats are pure shit. Whenever you add the lyrics, you have niggaz and thugs and homey G dawgs. "Niggaz" are pathetic. "Thugs" are pathetic. It boggles the mind knowing that these worthless, puffed up, shit filled sacks of flesh could possibly get any positive attention as more than carnival side show freaks. It of course becomes more understandable when approached from a wider perspective, realizing that the majority of the people in the world are at or below the intellectual and functional development level of a typical rapper. "LETS GO RAPE DIM WHITE WIMIN, HOLMES!" Word. |
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11-17-2002, 02:36 AM
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| Rap I used to have a vehement, bile soaked hatred for rap. I dismissed it all as nonsense, bereft of any signifigant meaning. I hated the topics they spoke of, and couldn't identify with the butchered English. This changed when I realized that most rap is built around the vocals as an instrument more than the profound meaning of the lyrics. Let's face it, most rap lyrics are little more than unreleased angst and fury about the world as the artist perceives it. Ignore the actual content, and see the vocals as an instrument complimenting the background track (a sort of verbal lead guitar, if you will) and it becomes much different. I've gained much appreciation for rap songs I used to scough at simply because the vocals are so complimentary to the music itself, despite their alleged 'deeper meaning' that I simply cannot identify with. Anyway, that's my tragically white-guy explanation of why I like rap now.
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11-17-2002, 11:09 AM
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And lyricists who force themselves to rhyme also limit themselves in content and quality. Just my opinion, I've got nothing against it, other than the fact that it needs to be blasted in my ear everytime I stop at a red light. 
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