You like hardcore metal? (Slipknot, Hatebreed, etc.)

[Khylen]

Hey thanks dude.

[Vorph]

i saw otep live and i liked them quite abit actually

I was not referring to nu-metal/rapcore wanna-be band #495837 churned out last year by the record industry to feed the drooling masses. I meant Opeth, the Melodic Death/Progressive Metal band from Sweden.

Originally posted by Khylen
The moral of the story is that hardcore isn't a set definiton of music, it changes from person to person.

Actually Hardcore IS a definition of a genre of music. Earth Crisis and Hatebreed are Hardcore, Poison the Well is Emo-core, etc. Some might say 'were' in the case of Hatebreed, but I personally thought Perseverance was an excellent album, and by no means a sell-out (if they can make money and still stick to their roots, all the more power to 'em). Overcast is probably the most well-regarded, if not well-known, band of the genre, although they broke up a few years ago and their members went on to create Shadows Fall (best thing that ever came out of Massachusetts) and Killswitch... Engage.

So that's why it gets confusing when people use "hardcore" as a alternative for "heavy" or "omg this rawks, dude!"


Oh, and anyone who likes any of the music mentioned in this thread is doing themself a great disservice if they don't own Shadows Fall, "Of One Blood".

[soulfly24]

Shadow's Fall is awesome!

Killswitch have a new album out? i saw a video and didn't recognize the song.

[Worfless]

I was not referring to nu-metal/rapcore wanna-be band #495837 churned out last year by the record industry to feed the drooling masses. I meant Opeth, the Melodic Death/Progressive Metal band from Sweden.

oh =) then i'm an ignorant fuck and i'll check that link

yes Hatebreed = Hardcore, you just can't argue with that, no way i don't want to hear it

[Telrem]

I come across as a pretentious dick

No shit.

because when I hear "so and so is the best" I come back with defintive examples of why I think they aren't? I guess you don't like my posts because you'd rather hear the mindless spouting of bullshit, than my "self indulgence". I can call whomever I want on whatever I want, thats the beauty of the public forum. if you don't like it you can throw whatever you want my way. once again thats the beauty of the public forum.

I don't know why I'm bothing as you seem unable to read, I'm not saying I even like Slipknot, I'm saying just because YOU don't like them doesn't mean EVERYONE doesn't like them. Get it?

[Worfless]

yeah, i hope he hangs himself after reading the own we lay on him

[AngryGerbil]

I just wanted to point this out to Vorph. You quoted this....

The moral of the story is that hardcore isn't a set definiton of music, it changes from person to person.

Then said this...

Actually Hardcore IS a definition of a genre of music

And then...

Some might say 'were' in the case of Hatebreed, but I personally thought Perseverance was an excellent album

Hardcore might be a definition of a genre of music, but it all depends on who's defining it.

[Khylen]

Hardcore might be a definition of a genre of music, but it all depends on who's defining it.

This my friend is not a definiton, its an opinion.

Actually Hardcore IS a definition of a genre of music

Music genres are not clear cut, instead they are different types of muic blended into a big spectrum. For example, as dicussed in a thread before about punk, someone said its starting to sound more and more like pop. Is it pop, or is it punk? Because music is a spectrum, it's possible that it may be a little bit of both rolled into one band/song, whatever.

But I digress, the point is that there is no way to define hardcore. Its like looking at the color spectrum. Can you tell me where red ends and orange begins? The exact point? And will that exact point match up with other peoples 'definitions' of where red ends and orange beings? Of course not.

I win.

[Vorph]

You can say it's your opinion that B.B. King plays Jazz, not Blues, if you want. Does that change the definition of those genres, or would it simply mean you don't know what the hell you're talking about?

The fact the bands often release songs which aren't clearly one specific genre doesn't change the fact that the genres themselves ARE clear cut definitions.

Using your punk example... nothing has changed about the genre of Punk. Pick up an old Misfits cd, and listen to it. You can't argue that it's clearly Punk. Just because bands today release music which is more Pop than Punk doesn't mean anything changed about the definition of Punk itself.

[Khylen]

The fact the bands often release songs which aren't clearly one specific genre doesn't change the fact that the genres themselves ARE clear cut definitions.

Right. So if one of your metal bands that you defined as hardcore did a collabo with Justin Timberlake or Britney Spears, and released a whole album of collabo's with pop starts and urban stars and techno stars they would still be hardcore, regardless of the songs?

I win. Again.

[Worfless]

khylen reading your post reminds me of when KISS did disco

*slaps self*

never again

ninja edit:

Right. So if one of your metal bands that you defined as hardcore did a collabo with Justin Timberlake or Britney Spears, and released a whole album of collabo's with pop starts and urban stars and techno stars they would still be hardcore, regardless of the songs?

the band would be labelled sellouts and then not hardcore, but they're old stuff would still be classified as hardcore

and what if they got britney spears to sing hella hardcore

bam hardcore would be the next thing to jump onto

[Abazagaroth]

Yeah, I knwo the origin behind the masks, I don't come out and make retarded off base arguments... like oh say the one Im quoting right now. and I don't listen to metallica, get a clue. they are as bad and talentless as slipknot. but thats a whole 'nother argument. and its not its own genre. I think this qualifies as troll material...

LOL

Metallica is "talentless"? Regardless of people's dislike of their change in musical direction (which includes me) by 1990, they have plenty of talent. Fuck, do people not listen to Master of Puppets or ...and Justice for All anymore? Hell, even their recordings of the past decade don't "suck", they just are different. I always found it bizarre that people were all hostile towards that music, when if a new band had made the exact same album they would be fawning over it. Maybe its the disappointment knowing they could have done so much better *shrug*

Slipknot sucks. Plain and simple. Just more of the same crap that has been coming out since the mid 80s, but without any real character. Cannibal corpse had nice T-shirts, and even like 2 decent songs, deicide had funny lyrics, and some decent songs, and there were a few bands that for s short time made some overall nice music that used that gutteral "singing" (using the term very loosely) and over-fast imprecise guitar playing (Malevolent Creation, Morbid Angel, etc) before putting out some pure crap then either falling apart or putting our more pure crap.

I can appreciate any *good* music, there are good rap songs, good metal songs, good jazz songs, good country songs, etc. That doesn't mean I like them, just that I can appreciate that they were well put together in their tempo, singing, etc. But a lot of metal is in no way shape or form "good", because its just screaming (or even worse, that gutteral bullshit fake deepening of their voices) with guitars playing as fast as the people can slap the pick back and forth, etc. Some of it is treble heavy, some is bass heavy, some is more or less drums heavy, but all that shit generally sucks ass because they have no sense of rythym, and just sound like shit. But there is always some prepubescent teen pissed at his parents or life in general willing to listen to it and bounce around their room.

Not a lot of "new" stuff (lol, I must be getting old, I consider anything past 1990 "newer") has caught my attention. The Obsolete album from fear factory was good, some of the Korn stuff is good, Amorphis is real good, Iced Earth is good, and some others are good. Most of it is pure crap though. Some of it is talentless crap, but its packaged well and sounds good (these bands usually only have 1-2 good songs per album, with the rest sucking total ass, using "good" to mean well packaged and good sounding, not to mean an actual good or talented piece of music, I blame White Zombie as the first band of this type, 1-2 catchy songs, which weren't good songs when your broke them down, then a bunch of crap for the rest of the album).

I like a wide range of music, though I rarely listen to it anymore, and tend to move back to the "old standby" music I enjoy. With regards to "hard stuff", I gotta say, Slayer is the best. Just something about them, when you break down every single part, none of it is great, but packaged together they just put out this vibe. Its about the only thing I have listened to in the past 10 years that can still get my fists pumping with rage and want to make me break things or go kill someone /snicker

[AngryGerbil]

I'll agree with Obsolete. Behind Tool and maybe my massive Led Zepplin compilation CD I burned, Obsolete is the best thing I own.

[Worfless]

Slipknot sucks. Plain and simple. Just more of the same crap that has been coming out since the mid 80s, but without any real character. Cannibal corpse had nice T-shirts, and even like 2 decent songs, deicide had funny lyrics, and some decent songs, and there were a few bands that for s short time made some overall nice music that used that gutteral "singing" (using the term very loosely) and over-fast imprecise guitar playing (Malevolent Creation, Morbid Angel, etc) before putting out some pure crap then either falling apart or putting our more pure crap.

classifying slipknot with cannibal corpse makes you a fuckhead

we dont' want your opinion because you are a fuckhead

not only are you a fuckhead, you're totally stupid and you shouldn't be allowed to listen to music

because you say it doesn't make it so, this is not star trek and the music industry is not your bitch

[Khylen]

I have only two words to say about Tool:

Fucking Awesome.