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Old 01-16-2003, 08:38 PM   #31 (permalink)
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If you were as ugly as the guys in slipknot you would wear a mask too...believe me ive seen them in person
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Old 01-17-2003, 04:37 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I personally don't like slipknot at all. they aren't intense enough and certainly don't play their instruments well enough to warrant any serious merit on the musical level(except their drummer, the little dude can fly). which is why people primarily mock them for their retarded stage get up, and I have read the interviews where they say it is about the music and not their looks.. anyone notice how tool says the same thing? Its just that tool backs it up by having very few photographs and playing second stage in their live shows.... not by dressing up in horrible, horribly contrived stage get ups.

Also Hatebreed is hardcore to the truest sense of the word. whoever said it wasn't doesn't listen to enough hardcore. Just because Jamie Jasta bellows and roars, and doesn't shout doesn't mean its not hardcore. its no where near the bottom end rap heavy Music that is actually associated with "Nu-Metal"(such as Linkin Park, Korn, ect.)They aren't my cup of tea
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Old 01-17-2003, 09:21 AM   #33 (permalink)
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How the fuck is KoRn Rap-Heavy?

Also I agree with axien Slipknot is probably the most un-played Metal Band that is successfull, just because you don't like a Band doesn't mean they are retarded no talent sell outs, I'm not even a Slipknot fan but I hate to see ignorant assholes post.
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Old 01-17-2003, 11:00 PM   #34 (permalink)
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you guys are asshats, you don't know the origin and the concept behind the masks

slipknot is its own genre, fuck off faggoty ass bitches

no one cares that you listened to metallica "back in the day" you're opinion means nothing
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Old 01-17-2003, 11:09 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Metal Arguements

Always turn into "Who can drop the most no name bands in 30 second fests"

"Theyre not hardcore because some no name local band thats never going anywhere plays harder then them..."

Stop deluding yourself people... and listen to those bands that you oh so love to hate because they have a little bit of money in theyre pocket...

There is some good Lowkey bands around too... but honestly.... most bands get popular for a reason.. and most bands dont get popular for the same reason.... People enjoying listening to it..

From Autumn to Ashes and Poison the Well are fucking Terrible.......how can you listen that drivel without getting Earbleeds..... They play that garble at goth clubs and people swoon over it...



"Nothing they do is punk rock friendly they say,
Mindless Self Indulgence plays over what they say,
Mind over matter mother fuckers talking shit"
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Old 01-18-2003, 12:50 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Korn is so h4rdc0r3.

Omfg I headbang to them all night long.
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Old 01-18-2003, 08:44 AM   #37 (permalink)
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How the fuck is KoRn Rap-Heavy?

Also I agree with axien Slipknot is probably the most un-played Metal Band that is successfull, just because you don't like a Band doesn't mean they are retarded no talent sell outs, I'm not even a Slipknot fan but I hate to see ignorant assholes post.
I like how a little semi-thoughtful in depth analysis of slipknot suddenly turns in to an igorant post. I never said they were sell outs, they just have no musical talent, except for their drummer. I acknowledged that. jesus. grow up. if you think that they are talented I will swap some mp3's with you. I will show you what actual musical talent is. I hate to see ignorant assholes not paying attention.

also since Korn was one of the orignal movers of the mainstream rap-core/nu-metal genre, I guess that would make their bottom heavy beats, and semi-rapped songs rap heavy.

please if you want to swear and be dumb, go somewhere else. if you want to constructively debate something I say do it.
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Old 01-18-2003, 09:00 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Always turn into "Who can drop the most no name bands in 30 second fests"

"Theyre not hardcore because some no name local band thats never going anywhere plays harder then them..."

Stop deluding yourself people... and listen to those bands that you oh so love to hate because they have a little bit of money in theyre pocket...

There is some good Lowkey bands around too... but honestly.... most bands get popular for a reason.. and most bands dont get popular for the same reason.... People enjoying listening to it..

From Autumn to Ashes and Poison the Well are fucking Terrible.......how can you listen that drivel without getting Earbleeds..... They play that garble at goth clubs and people swoon over it...



"Nothing they do is punk rock friendly they say,
Mindless Self Indulgence plays over what they say,
Mind over matter mother fuckers talking shit"
Sadly, you have no conception of what I listen to. I don't listen to metal. I never said I was a fan of metal, I just stated, and quite honestly what I listen to is far more technically and musically advanced, and also far more intense than Slipknot. As I said to the other ignorant post aimed at me, I will glady share some music with you.

From Autumn to Ashes and Poison the Well are horrible, thats part of the reason I don't listen to them. a quick check of my profile will give you a list of bands worth checking out.

Honestly Money has nothing to do with music. if you think a bands talent level and my enjoyment level of them is tied in to their pocketbook, you have no clue, I have admitted to loving a good deal of mainstream music. so its not like Im a hypocrit undergrounder here.

Bands get popular for two reasons
1. they get lucky, and what they are doing is actually so powerful that it merits a wider appeal.

2. Record labels see a way to make a fast grab at the cash, this is the reason why you see alot of the bands making it big today that you do. because they are part of a trend.

Im not sure where exactly Slipknot fits in, id say a little of both. because if they went entirely with their uncommercial side, theyd be just another death metal band with an amazing drummer. instead they have alternative rock flavor too, therefore making them an aleternative death nu-metal band with an amazing drummer.

and these lowkey bands you talk about.. most of them have as large of a following as mainstream bands, just because something doesn't get press doesn't mean people don't listen to it. if you want to compare soundscan figures, there are a lot of underground bands that can lay claim to selling mainstream figures. once again, just because the general populous doesn't swoon over it doesn't mean it isn't any good.

and as a general rule, the bands that are truly influential mainly come from the underground now. because exprimentation and forward thinking is frowned upon by bigger labels because it can make sales drop thus dropping said huge band.

I hope this sheds a little tiny bit more light on my argument.
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Old 01-18-2003, 09:02 AM   #39 (permalink)
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you guys are asshats, you don't know the origin and the concept behind the masks

slipknot is its own genre, fuck off faggoty ass bitches

no one cares that you listened to metallica "back in the day" you're opinion means nothing
Yeah, I knwo the origin behind the masks, I don't come out and make retarded off base arguments... like oh say the one Im quoting right now. and I don't listen to metallica, get a clue. they are as bad and talentless as slipknot. but thats a whole 'nother argument. and its not its own genre. I think this qualifies as troll material...
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Old 01-18-2003, 12:33 PM   #40 (permalink)
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no metallica hate prz. please aim comments back towards shitknot
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Old 01-18-2003, 07:49 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I love how bands that sell millions of cd's per album can be label'd as bad and talentless. Your opinion is you don't care for their music. Whether a band be metallica or slipnot or nsync, they obviously have "some" talent for people to hand over their cash.
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Old 01-19-2003, 12:10 AM   #42 (permalink)
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wait i got it!, who gives a flying fuck just listen to what u wanna listen to and shut the FuCk upppppppppp.......well unless u like Warrant then u should be beat down =P
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Old 01-19-2003, 12:12 AM   #43 (permalink)
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bah, and if someone was talentless they wouldnt be able to even make a song be it suk or not, not everyone is fukin Kerry King on a guitar or Vinnie Paul on drums some ppl actually arent that insanely talented select few and guess what they can be good to!
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Old 01-19-2003, 01:01 AM   #44 (permalink)
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I wasnt talking to you Opal... I was stating my General statement about the tread..directed at no one besides the poison the well autumn to ashes shot...


And honestly.. most of the bands i listen to are more lowkey as i like to put it... not less popular.. i didnt say that

I just hatei t when people shoot down mainstream bands just because theyre that.. mainstream...

And in order for anything to get popular people have to like it.. and people have to hear it.. that is the combination...

People seem to forget that "people need to like it" part a lot...

I listen to 90% Mindless Self Indulgence... and then 10% of EVERYTHING else..... Nine Inch Nails... Pearl Jam...Daft Punk...NOFX...Dead Kennedys...Nothing New...Dillenger Escape Plan...Primus and a vast array of other stuff..

So yeah... thats about where I stand
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Old 01-19-2003, 04:05 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Much as I despise nu-metal, I can't really hate on Slipknot. At least give them respect for following up their first cd with an even heavier one, even if it pales in comparison to real death metal bands. FFS they use blast beats... name even ONE other band in that genre that does. Now if they just dropped a few of the overtly nu-metal qualities, they'd be on my list of 'decent American metal bands' (which currently doesn't go much past Slayer, Shadows Fall, Iced Earth, and Killswitch... Engage -- probably a few more, but it's hard to remember who's really from Gothenburg and who's simply trying to sound like they're from Gothenburg these days).


And to the person who claims Hatebreed isn't a hardcore band... jesus christ, they were part of the original NYHC scene and their first real label was Victory Records. WTF more does a band need to do to be considered hardcore? Sure, they will never compare to Section 8 or Overcast, but I'll take them over emo shit like Poison the Well and Walls of Jericho anyday.... and they put on a better live show than Earth Crisis too, imo. I lived in Syracuse and Albany when NYHC was at its peak, and Hatebreed was one of the better bands for that time period.
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