MTV music.

[Seo]

i know this isnt rants or anything but seriously i want to stab someone right now my friends sister went to someones myspace page while i was over and i heard what i thought was the opening to Hes always there by the yardbirds. so i thought wow good taste then the next 5 seconds revealed it to be yet another shitty song that "sampled" a good song.

at what point is this going to stop. please. and really is there anything the consumer can do about this? or are we going to keep getting this shit shoveled at us.

[Surlok TP]

The people that buy the music don't know who Jimmy Page, or Eric Clapton or Jeff Beck is Let alone the Yardbirds and what they mean in the overall scheme of things.

To them it's just a song.

[AladainAF]

The title is misleading. MTV has nothing to do with music anymore.

But yeah, second what Surlok said.

[Erumaron]

I bet they play Flobots on MTV.

[Erumaron]

MTV is strictly geared to the masses,the masses dont care or who know who todays music comes from. Lou Reed,The Beatles,Iggy and the Stooges. Those people influenced tons of todays muscians yet I bet you 90% of the people who listen to todays music have no idea who they are. Granted some people know who The Beatles are but dont much of their less popular music and the effect it has had on todays music. I bet most people think the Target "Hello,Goodybye" version is the orignal.

OT but I once read a quote from Hilary Duff who said she credits The Cure for influenicing her on one of her albums. That's great and all becasue at least she has good taste but none of her audience probaly even knows who the fuck they are.

I cant stand MTV. I used to watch Much Music but dont have it anymore,now I watch FUSE. Fuse is great for playing the full length of videos and new bands.

Fuck MTV and their lack of music.

Sorry for the rant,cant stand MTV.

*edit* This was actually Alyssarie posting under Erumaron's name by accident.

[Barellron]

Originally Posted by Erumaron

MTV is strictly geared to the masses,the masses dont care or who know who todays music comes from. Lou Reed,The Beatles,Iggy and the Stooges. Those people influenced tons of todays muscians yet I bet you 90% of the people who listen to todays music have no idea who they are. Granted some people know who The Beatles are but dont much of their less popular music and the effect it has had on todays music. I bet most people think the Target "Hello,Goodybye" version is the orignal.

OT but I once read a quote from Hilary Duff who said she credits The Cure for influenicing her on one of her albums. That's great and all becasue at least she has good taste but none of her audience probaly even knows who the fuck they are.

Originally Posted by Surlok TP

To them it's just a song.

First of all I wouldn't put it above a pop music executive to namedrop The Cure through Hilary Duff to make her look more sophisticated, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say "That's interesting."

Talking about influence in music always reminds me of two friends of mine that absolutely swear The Beatles are shit (not "the shit", just shit) and while I don't agree they do bring up some interesting points. For one, being very influential doesn't automatically make your music good, and neither does being well-influenced. Making this assumption undermines the whole fucking point of music; no matter how sophisticated, intricate, or intelligent your music is it still has to be successful as music. I always relate this to serial music. I've listened to (and written) some absolutely shitty serial music that couldn't be salvaged no matter how many tone matrices you showed me or how many Schoenberg works the poor bastard studied. Then there's some that make me say "Well, I really appreciate the way this was put together" but I still wouldn't listen to it unless I was being asked for an analysis. Then there's plenty that makes me exclaim "Wtf awesome!" for all the right reasons and is mixed into my playlist of way too many genres of music. Keep in mind that these are all personal opinions.

You can translate this to any genre you want but the point still stands. People that say "I don't listen to Brittney Spears because she doesn't know who John Lennon is!" should be slapped for fouling up musical elitism for the rest of us. For one, the influence is there whether you choose to perceive it or not and it has nothing to do with what PopstarX knows about RocklegendY; it's about the industry and every fucking thing that's floating in the air and *the people that actually write the goddamn music*, which for the most part are not the "artists" that MTV shows you. These people (pop composers) know damn well who The Beatles were; hell they basically invented pop music tonality and melody construction, of course they fucking influence everything popular today. And every solo lick that (rarely) makes its way into a pop diva's song is a ripoff of something Clapton or Hendrix or Page did years ago, if it isn't a direct sample to begin with. I bet you Lou Pearlman, the architect of the short-lived boyband era, and his team took a fuckton more from The Beatles and The Beach Boys and tonality and harmony in general than anyone could care to imagine and you all would gladly burn him at the stake for it.

I don't avoid Hilary Duff because she doesn't felate a giant statue of John Lennon every night (though I'd pay to see that) but because I don't like her music. I don't avoid Simple Plan because their bass player has never watched Jaco Pastorius's bass wisdom videos but because they're part of a sound in popular music that is repetitive and not very appealing. I don't refuse to listen to Kelly Clarkson because she was on American Idol but because she looks like my cousins backstabbing ex-wife. But that's off topic. I can assure you though there's a lot more of The Beatles in these people than there is in say, Radiohead (here come the arguments). Then again there's a lot more Beatles in Wilco than any other band in the history of music, but I guess you have to pick and choose your battles. Bottom line, all the influence in the world couldn't save pop culture because all the influence in the world has given us pop culture.

Yes, there's something the consumer can do. Buy music you like and introduce your friends to the music that catches your ear. You have to accept there is a whole world of people out there that just treat music as an accessory and don't relate it to a series of names, dates, and places in the chronicles of music history. This = 'dance music for Friday night', That = 'sing-along while I drive my mommy's Jetta'. Simple. If you don't like these people, say fuck'em, but they do outnumber you and probably acquire a lot more music legitimately (if you can call 20$ for a CD legit). What's the difference between someone who cries when they listen to "Tears in Heaven" because it sounds beautiful and somebody who cries because they know or relate to the pain Clapton felt when he wrote the song? Not a fucking thing as far as the music is concerned. But I guess you can drop that story if you want that coffee shop chick to give you a blowjob.

[PerritoBites]

"MTV music" is an oxymoron.

[Alyssarie]

I actually listen to any band whose sound I like. I also pay attention to lyrics.

There are a couple of muscians out right now that have nice voice but shitty lyrics(some girl named Colbie Calliat has horrible lyrics but a pretty voice)

Seriously I'll admit,I dont give a shit,I like ABBA and Iggy Pop. I have eccletic taste. Whatever appeals to me music wise I'll listen to.

[kegkilla]

people who dismiss everything as crap because its on MTV and the radio are just as corny as the people who only get their music from MTV and the radio.

"hey i bet you never heard these guys before! damn i'm so cool and original and anti-pop!"

[Spontaneous Cumbustion]

I like the new Death Cab for Cutie song, the Flobots song, anything by Paramore and a few other random things on MTV at the moment. I don't really watch the channel, but if I catch a song I like while surfing through I stop to listen. So it's not ALL bad.

Now...Fall Out Boy covering Michael Jackson's Beat It. That's just horrible.

[Seo]

Originally Posted by Spontaneous Cumbustion

Now...Fall Out Boy covering Michael Jackson's Beat It. That's just horrible.

i hate you i went and i looked this up and i hate you so much right now.

its on par with the hell that is the cover of under pressure by the used and my chemical romance.

[Fog]

Originally Posted by Erumaron

MTV is strictly geared to the masses,the masses dont care or who know who todays music comes from. Lou Reed,The Beatles,Iggy and the Stooges. Those people influenced tons of todays muscians yet I bet you 90% of the people who listen to todays music have no idea who they are. Granted some people know who The Beatles are but dont much of their less popular music and the effect it has had on todays music. I bet most people think the Target "Hello,Goodybye" version is the orignal.

I love music, I mean I really care about it a fair amount, but I'm 21, and I just barely know who Lou Reed/VU and Iggy and the Stooges are. Why does it matter? I don't see why musical history needs to be part of music appreciation.

Now, all the people you're talking about don't even love music. They are just fond of listening to some music once in a while to go with the rest of their life. Why on God's green earth would they care about the thrice-removed forty-year-old forebears of some music they happen to listen to this week? Why should they? I suspect they have better things to do.

EDIT: Since when does "namedropping The Cure" make you sound sophisticated?

[Simas]

Originally Posted by Barellron

First of all...

Word.


Something I find interesting is the state of pop music today vs pop music of the 90's. Nirvana, the whole grunge movement it was all pop. And I loved it. And when Evenflow comes on an oldie station (grant for the sake of argument I actually listen to the radio one day) I'll be stoked.

I cant say the same for Fall Out Boy and Kelly Clarkson.

But has pop music really taken a turn for the worse or am I just looking at the 90's through rose colored glasses?


p.s. Got any examples of some of this good serial music? Hadnt heard of it, color me intrigued.

[brekk]

Nirvana was not pop. They were grunge with mainstream acceptance.

MTV,VH1,BET are not here to tell you about the new amazing band (unless that band will make a record label a profit) They are the TV limb of the music conglomerates. These channels are the promotion strength that allows the major labels to do what indie labels can't.

Note: I am not some anti major label crazy. I listen to music, i choose what i like, not based on where its released or which label the band is signed with. There is some good music on MTV, and a whole shit ton of crap.

We already have a thread about the Flobots, but they are immensley important right now. They are obscure, outside of the norm, and yet have become very successful on radio and TV. Bands like them are key, breaking the standardized molds of what sells to the masses.

Its the cycle of things. Genres explode, become over commercialized, and new offshoots branch off. 80's rock led to 90's grunge in response. early 90's thoughtful rap/hip-hop led to 00's over the top rap/hip-hip about being gangsta and nothing more. 00's idiot hip-hop is leading to a new genre of hip-hop that is a return to early hip-hop with important messages and thoughtful lyrics.

Most artists will come and go as their genre is the flavor of the month. Only the true artists will survive through these shifts.

[Simas]

Originally Posted by brekk

We already have a thread about the Flobots, but they are immensley important right now. They are obscure, outside of the norm, and yet have become very successful on radio and TV. Bands like them are key, breaking the standardized molds of what sells to the masses.

wat?

Something very successful on radio and TV is obscure?

Flobots broke the standarized mold? Bands like Greenday have not enjoyed recent mainstream success by being critical of the government? Rapping and strings cert do not buck any standard molds.

Id say something like Wolf Eyes would be obscure and outside the norm.



Not that im saying Flobots is awful, the handle bars song is catchy as hell, but obscure and outside the norm, bucking the mainstream music trends? Naw.