Metallica's New Album

[NargorothRiP]

yeah that video has me looking forward to picking up the new album after hearing some more cuts. honestly I like or dislike an album and to hell with all the rest of the bullshit. I love the first 4 albums, and just didnt like anything up to st. anger based on each records merits. to hell with all the scenster bullshit.

[Flinch]

Originally Posted by Surlok TP

Typical though every site I went to that posted about the initial story ,didn't bother posting Metallica's response to that, which is pretty typical of anything negative revolving around that band.

Was listening to the radio today and they were discussing the new bill currently under review in Canada that would make downloading an offense (currently not here) and 3 people phoned in and bitched about how Metallica started all this bullshit.

It's funny because the initial foundation of that becoming an offense in the States started in 1997 before Napster was anywhere near being on the radar. But yeah it's all Metallica's fault.....

Lars did become a shill for the RIAA, who are best known for suing grandmothers and 8 year olds, which is what most people associate with Napster/downloading.

[Occido]

Originally Posted by Surlok TP

I love how different people in music have these different sort of influences and the kind of vibe they can bring to a genre that might be a bit stale or what not. This is a cool video from the studio, where Robert Trujillo shows Hetfield some of his Flamenco skills on an acoustic. Then you see Kirk come in, and Hetfield picks up an electric and puts a really cool spin on what Rob's playing with the classic Hetffield riffage.

I love seeing this kind of stuff, cause we'll probably here osmething like this on the new album if the rumours are true and it's nice to see where those influences came from and how it all formed. without knowing that Rob has these skills you might question why that riff made it inot a song or how it made it into a song. Much like Burton's melodies and Harmonic swells he was so fond of and how they became a big part of puppets. Seeing this video made me very excited about the album in terms of how Rob would bring music to the table... He's a cool guy it seems really happy and just generally a positive character .

I love how the person who posted that video on Youtube begins it with "Homevideo" and "rare footage". It's hardly either, but anyway. Yeah, I'm really excited as well to see what Rob brings to the table. Watching the videos from Mission Metallica I just get more and more excited for this album.

Some of the studio clips of them mastering and mixing the tracks sound really really good. In my opinion, this is going to be one of Metallica's best studio albums to be released in about 19 years.

Now, I enjoyed and still listen to Load and Reload because they brought a different style in those albums, and unlike most people... change is good (sometimes). St. Anger I'm sure it's just universal that it sucks ass, hell even Metallica hate that album.

Overall, Death Magnetic is going to be a damn good album.

[Cathan]

I've been a Metallica fan and though my favorite album is And Justice for All I do like every album except for Ride the Lightning basically. RTL has some cool songs but it's just never an album I put in.

I really liked St. Anger. What band has the balls to answer Load and Reload with an album so fucking RAW like St. Anger? The answer is no one. They knew they'd gone soft with Load/Reload so they cranked it back up and didn't even try to smooth that shit out at all and I respect them a shitload for it. I was a HUGE fan of Megadeth, especially Rust in Peace, but ever since Youthanasia came out I haven't listened to any of their shit.

Load and Reload each had a few good songs and they aren't terrible albums but I still long for another album like And Justice for All, that was a fucking masterpiece. Best Metallica song ever? BATTERY!!!!!!!!!! That album is insanity...

St. Anger the song itself was good imo, Frantic was decent. I fukn loved Sweet Amber. All Within My Hands makes me want to beat some serious ass. That was my gym album for a long ass time. Hell it was all I listened to for a good 6 months until I finally had to just stop because all I ever wanted to do was beat the fuck out of people.

I wasn't initially a big fan of load/reload, but now I think they are ok albums. Far too commercialized and toned down for what I consider Metallica but damn near all the older metal bands were toning shit down ridiculously low when hairbands were purged. Seems like almost every band that survived changed their look and their music then just to survive the change, usually for the worse.

I like the ultra RAW Metallica shit though. It takes serious balls to release an album that is absolutely NOT going to appeal to the masses, the softcare Metallica fans, trendoids etc. St. Anger wasn't for everyone but even still it takes balls to make an album like that and go against the grain. Garage Days Inc. was similar in that respect imo. Songs like So What? sure as hell wasn't what a Load/Reload era Metallica fan was into. I prefer Metallica's Die Die My Darling over the Misfits version and I was a Misfits fan for years before Metallica covered that song.

[Occido]

St. Anger was a failure, the album was rushed. They didn't have a bass player so Bob Rock had to sit in as bass player and producer. Their deadline for album completion was coming up fast. The drum lines were untuned and everything about it was unmastered. St. Anger was a failure album, Bob Rock was fired because of it and James even admits to it being a shitty album.

Everyone knows Metallica is capable of putting out much better shit than that.
...And Justice was a good album and has some great songs on it, just too bad it's production was shit. The Nu-Metal sound doesn't fit Metallica at all.

And the shows I've heard and seen since St. Anger not one of them have they played any song from the St. Anger album. Now maybe that's just coincidence and all those they just didn't play them and have others, but that's a lot of shows with no St. Anger songs on the line-up.

Watching the clips of them in the studio for Death Magnetic they're putting a metric fuckton more work into this album than they ever did with St. Anger and yes, I've seen the documentary for St. Anger. You can just tell they want this album to be the way THEY want it, not because they're lacking key players and need to release something quickly.

Being a fan since Master of Puppets it's great to see a band evolve and change, but really St. Anger wasn't a change it was a test. It failed.

[Kiely]

Well sure they will. I recall Lars saying a few times how he dislikes AJFA album the most, but it was the right thing to do at the time for them.

St. Anger; well from an outside perspective they looked shakey (James rehab, Jason leaving, therapists and long breaks) and this album came about. Personally I listen to this over Load/Reload quite easily. Just the nature of the songs being really downtuned guitars, using different drum set might be a reason why it doesn't fit in the bill at live shows anymore. Not just physically but rhythmically also. (going from Battery to Frantic would feel strange)

Of all the clips of Rob Trujillo he looks humbled, a bit music shy. He's obviously a great Bassist imo and has something to bring to the table, it's just I hope he settles down more and opens up because in every video he looks like he's just sitting back in a state of awe, not really ready to jump in with his own ideas. Hopefully I'm wrong.

[Ronne]

Originally Posted by Cathan

I've been a Metallica fan and though my favorite album is And Justice for All I do like every album except for Ride the Lightning basically. RTL has some cool songs but it's just never an album I put in.

I really liked St. Anger. What band has the balls to answer Load and Reload with an album so fucking RAW like St. Anger? The answer is no one. They knew they'd gone soft with Load/Reload so they cranked it back up and didn't even try to smooth that shit out at all and I respect them a shitload for it. I was a HUGE fan of Megadeth, especially Rust in Peace, but ever since Youthanasia came out I haven't listened to any of their shit.

Load and Reload each had a few good songs and they aren't terrible albums but I still long for another album like And Justice for All, that was a fucking masterpiece. Best Metallica song ever? BATTERY!!!!!!!!!! That album is insanity...

St. Anger the song itself was good imo, Frantic was decent. I fukn loved Sweet Amber. All Within My Hands makes me want to beat some serious ass. That was my gym album for a long ass time. Hell it was all I listened to for a good 6 months until I finally had to just stop because all I ever wanted to do was beat the fuck out of people.

I wasn't initially a big fan of load/reload, but now I think they are ok albums. Far too commercialized and toned down for what I consider Metallica but damn near all the older metal bands were toning shit down ridiculously low when hairbands were purged. Seems like almost every band that survived changed their look and their music then just to survive the change, usually for the worse.

I like the ultra RAW Metallica shit though. It takes serious balls to release an album that is absolutely NOT going to appeal to the masses, the softcare Metallica fans, trendoids etc. St. Anger wasn't for everyone but even still it takes balls to make an album like that and go against the grain. Garage Days Inc. was similar in that respect imo. Songs like So What? sure as hell wasn't what a Load/Reload era Metallica fan was into. I prefer Metallica's Die Die My Darling over the Misfits version and I was a Misfits fan for years before Metallica covered that song.

First of all, Battery is most assuredly NOT on And Justice. Maybe you mean Blackened, in which case, well, it's not bad.

Second, you love St.Anger but don't like Ride the Lightning? Jesus titty christ, that's about as ass-backwards as a Metallica "fan" as you can get. Delete that goddamn snare drum from the entire album and maybe you'd have something decent, maybe. Frantic wasn't bad, but that was about all the album had going for it.

[Cathan]

I know Battery was on Master of Puppets, I didn't mean to allude that it was on And Justice for All if that's how it was taken.

I like St. Anger, I like how raw it sounded. I think that album just polarized people. For me..., it was the hardcore answer to Load/Reload that I dream of from all the bands I used to like that went soft. Even if you didn't like the album did anyone want yet another "soft" album from Metallica? Or would you rather they put out something so ungodly raw, even if you didn't like the sound, in hopes that they would get back on track and make more great music?

[LiquidDeath]

Originally Posted by Cathan

I know Battery was on Master of Puppets, I didn't mean to allude that it was on And Justice for All if that's how it was taken.

I like St. Anger, I like how raw it sounded. I think that album just polarized people. For me..., it was the hardcore answer to Load/Reload that I dream of from all the bands I used to like that went soft. Even if you didn't like the album did anyone want yet another "soft" album from Metallica? Or would you rather they put out something so ungodly raw, even if you didn't like the sound, in hopes that they would get back on track and make more great music?

You mean it was a shitty, misguided answer to Load and Reload that they undertook because a retarded section of the fanbase had started to cry salty, hardcore tears about how Metallica had "gone soft".

Load is a great album and Reload is decent. St. Anger is shit and anyone who enjoys music, but refuses to worship at the alter of "my favorite bands can do no wrong" will tell you as much.

The really sad thing is that Metallica released "I Disappear" on the Mission Impossible 2 soundtrack between Reload and St. Anger, and that got everyone I know pumped for the album which turned out to be an unmitigated abortion of music.

[Cathan]

Originally Posted by LiquidDeath

You mean it was a shitty, misguided answer to Load and Reload that they undertook because a retarded section of the fanbase had started to cry salty, hardcore tears about how Metallica had "gone soft".

Load is a great album and Reload is decent. St. Anger is shit and anyone who enjoys music, but refuses to worship at the alter of "my favorite bands can do no wrong" will tell you as much.

The really sad thing is that Metallica released "I Disappear" on the Mission Impossible 2 soundtrack between Reload and St. Anger, and that got everyone I know pumped for the album which turned out to be an unmitigated abortion of music.

I obviously don't agree with you because myself and others do enjoy St. Anger. I'll concede the point that many don't like it which is fine with me. Like I said before, I'm not a fan of really anything off Ride the Lightning which was one of their old school hard albums. I liked Reload better than Load. Reload seemed a bit harder to me, hence the title Reload imo...

I can argue I don't worship Metallica or think they can do no wrong but they've done less wrong than most other bands imo. I hate Nothing Else Matters, to me that's an abortion to all the rest of their music but so what? They released some ballad I didn't care for and the next 2 albums were soft. I didn't buy St. Anger right away, I picked it up after I saw the St. Anger video and saw it was much harder than anything off Load/Reload...

[Occido]

You sound just like the hundreds of other "trendy" Metallica fans. Nothing Else Matters shows diversity, creativity and technicality. Just because it's a "ballad" style song doesn't make it even remotely close to any sort of "abortion" but yet you like Load and Reload which have songs such as... Mama Said and Low Man's Lyric.

To each his own, I know.. but at the very least give credit where credit's due. Especially since a lot more went into Nothing Else Matters than just tablature. Which unfortunately, can't be said for anything on St.Anger.

[Kreugen]

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Sorry.. St Anger flashback

[The Dauntless One]

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[Cathan]

Nothing else matters just got played out. I didn't hate it to start with but I do now. I won't listen to Man in the Box anymore either for the same reason, but I don't hate that song the same way.

I have heard all the bitching about the drums but St. Anger, Sweet Amber and All Within My Hands are some of the best Metallica songs to date imo. To me they just showed more raw emotion and Hetfield sang more powerfully for those than about anything else I've ever heard them play.

To each their own I suppose. I guess we'll agree to disagree.

[kegkilla]

st. anger rocked pretty hard... maybe not the whole album, but the song itself at least. the drums do sound kind of different, not necessarily worse i don't think. probably one of my favorite songs to air drum to when i'm tanked.