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FulorianC · 10-31-2007, 08:48 AM

What makes me sad is that the almost midi-like sound of Dragonforce is as close as many people have heard to any melodic metal, and that's the sole reason they listen to it.

Truly sad.

niteflyx · 10-31-2007, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FulorianC

What makes me sad is that the almost midi-like sound of Dragonforce is as close as many people have heard to any melodic metal, and that's the sole reason they listen to it.

Truly sad.

Most people have no idea what the fuck metal is, but they'll hate it with a passion. Finally convincing someone to 'try it out' (with something they might like, usually the more melodic stuff to get them into it) has them surprised because they thought metal was X, Y, or Z.

Poorly produced Black Metal = X + Y +Z

TheOkapi · 10-31-2007, 12:07 PM

God, I love metal, but can someone weed out the shit for me? I can't stand that fucking singing that's like Cannibal corpse/nathan explosion screechy gravely crap. I want SINGING in my music. Talking Iron Maiden, Dragonforce, Rhapsody, Blind Guardian kinda stuff. Any suggestions?

Gudrid · 10-31-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOkapi

God, I love metal, but can someone weed out the shit for me? I can't stand that fucking singing that's like Cannibal corpse/nathan explosion screechy gravely crap. I want SINGING in my music. Talking Iron Maiden, Dragonforce, Rhapsody, Blind Guardian kinda stuff. Any suggestions?

You might like:
YouTube - Dragonland
YouTube - Cryonic Temple
YouTube - Kaledon
YouTube - Kamelot
YouTube - Avantasia
YouTube - Edguy
YouTube - Sabaton
YouTube - Sonata Arctica
YouTube - Helloween
YouTube - Running Wild
YouTube - Riot
YouTube - Iced Earth

Off work so I can think clearly now. Less known metal with somewhat clear singing:

YouTube - Savage Circus*sounds similar to Blind Guardian
YouTube - Demons & Wizards *Bling Guardian singer
YouTube - After Forever*female vocals
YouTube - Pyramaze
YouTube - lost Horizon
YouTube - Highland Glory
YouTube - Celesty
YouTube - Axenstar
YouTube - Vanden Plas
YouTube - Iron Savior
YouTube - Dark Moor
YouTube - Black Majesty
YouTube - Candlemass
YouTube - MERCENARY
YouTube - Manticora
YouTube - Dream Evil
YouTube - ELVENKING
YouTube - Primal Fear

Flood950 · 10-31-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOkapi

God, I love metal, but can someone weed out the shit for me? I can't stand that fucking singing that's like Cannibal corpse/nathan explosion screechy gravely crap. I want SINGING in my music. Talking Iron Maiden, Dragonforce, Rhapsody, Blind Guardian kinda stuff. Any suggestions?

Do you mind a mix of the growling/yelling and singing? That is for some reason what I prefer. I know what you mean about the crap vocals though, if all a band does is growls or screams I usually dont like it. But when they mix that with singing I enjoy it...

I highly recommend In-Flames. You cant really go wrong with any of the releases but "Come Clarity" is the most recent and has more refined vocals than the earlier stuff. "Soundtrack To Your Escape" is another recent release and is more experimental than their other stuff. Its good IMO, but probably not the best to try for an initial listen to the band as it sounds different than their normal style.

The new Soilwork release is pretty good too. But, its again a mix of clean and growled vocals.

Fear Factory "Obselete" is a "must have" album in my opinion, even when they are growling its fairly tame.

I strongly recommend In-Flames though. It does have some growling, but if you give it an honest try, it works very well for them.

Astennu · 10-31-2007, 01:56 PM

In Flames should have changed their name on all albums after Whoracle.

FulorianC · 10-31-2007, 02:01 PM

The above Youtube listing is a good batch of suggestions. You sound like a power metal fan in the making. Another great genre that has started coming to fruition in the last ten years is symphonic metal, which is largely a hybrid of gothic, progressive, and power metal... It's pretty much (in my opinion) the ultimate incarnation of melodic metal. A few of the bands you listed dabble in it too, especially Blind Guardian. Their "A Night at the Opera" was a really influential album in the symphonic metal world - as well as, to many, their magnum opus. Rhapsody is a bit cheesy for my tastes, but it's definitely symphonic metal too.

Here's my suggestions to add on to Gudrid's list (with some crossover).

YouTube - Nightwish - Nemo
YouTube - KAMELOT - The Haunting
YouTube - Epica - Never Enough
YouTube - Lacuna Coil - Heaven's A Lie
YouTube - Within Temptation: The Howling
YouTube - Leaves' Eyes - Elegy
YouTube - Sonata Arctica - Paid In Full
YouTube - Symphony X "Serpent's Kiss"
YouTube - Therion - Summernight City (they don't make many videos, best I could find)

niteflyx · 10-31-2007, 02:16 PM

I'll agree with the other suggestions given here; you sound like a power metal guy. Symphonic might work for you too, and as someone else mentioned, maybe some newer In Flames or Soilwork to begin your delving into Melodic Death metal, which has both singing and growling in it, and almost all of the riffs are 'melodic' in nature, as in, not ugly dissonant chords and notes.

Soilwork - As We Speak
In Flames - Take This Life
Disarmonia Mundi - Celestial Furnace(Same vocalist from Soilwork)

It sounded like the stuff you called "shit" was straight up "death metal"; this stuff is referred to as Melodic Death, and how I got into the genre awhile back. I didn't enjoy straight up "death metal", but now I enjoy some death metal, technical death metal, and some of the "uglier" things in genre. The more you get into, the more you appreciate other things and everything you thought you enjoyed before metal just pales into comparison.

Hateyou · 10-31-2007, 03:11 PM

Some one mention Opeth to him, wtf.

Flood950 · 10-31-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hateyou

Some one mention Opeth to him, wtf.

Not quite sure how I forgot about them...

Yes, Opeth is good. Their style varies immensely between albums though, not that it is a bad thing, but its hard to really define their sound. You could fall asleep to some of them while others are extremely heavy.

Windowpane vs Baying Of The Hounds for specific song examples.

Then there are songs that combine both facets, "Reverie/Harlequin Forest" is an amazing song that gives a taste of their slower side as well as the heavy stuff.

Astennu · 10-31-2007, 04:45 PM

Opeth are Gods among men in metal. Listen to "The Drapery Falls" from Blackwater Park. It is by far my personal favorite Opeth song. You can't go wrong with any of their records. This a live video for The Drapery Falls with the "classic" line-up. Sadly Martin (drums) and Peter (guitar) are no longer with band:

niteflyx · 10-31-2007, 05:31 PM

Mmmm, Opeth.

But he said anything with screaming/growling vocals were "shit", so, there goes a lot of really good metal.

Although Damnation by Opeth is a full clean, progressive album by them.

Vorph · 10-31-2007, 06:57 PM

I fear I am too late, and another one may be lost to power metal.

Dan Swanö - Moontower
Edge of Sanity - Crimson
Edge of Sanity - Crimson II
Edge of Sanity - Purgatory Afterglow
(you can never have too much Swanö)

Katatonia - Brave Murder Day is by far the best, but that one has Mikael Åkerfeldt doing the same growled vox he used on early Opeth albums, so you might not like it. Anything recent by them would probably be more appealing to someone who doesn't like death vox.

Aurora - EOS
Ayreon - The Human Equation (I cannot recommend this album strongly enough to do it justice -- if you have even the slightest interest in prog metal, get it immediately)
Evergrey - Solitude + Dominance + Tragedy
Fall of the Leafe - Vantage (now that Oink is gone I doubt you'll ever find it to listen to, but it's good enough that I'll mention it anyway)
Green Carnation - Light of Day, Day of Darkness (definitely not for everyone since it's one 60 minute song, but it's one of my favorite progressive concept albums)
Grey Skies Fallen - The Fate of Angels / Tomorrow's In Doubt (local band from Philly, again hard to find but well worth it)
Iced Earth - everything from The Dark Saga to Horrorshow
Isis - In the Absence of Truth (some songs have vocals you won't like, but the music is so damn good you might overlook it -- if so, get Panopticon too)
Novembre - Dreams D'Azur
The Old Dead Tree - The Nameless Disease

If you like a mix of male (sung, but with occasional growling) and female (high-pitched but not operatic cheese like, say, Nightwish) vocals I'd also recommend Tristania, Sirenia, and Lacuna Coil. The newer the release, the less likely you'll find growling, especially with Lacuna Coil who haven't used it since their first EP. Avoid their latest album like the plague, it's utter shit.

I second the Demons & Wizard recommendation, but only their first album. And if you're going to get into In Flames, you owe it to yourself to at least try to give The Jester Race an open-minded listen. I know several people who "hated death vocals" who changed their minds simply based on that one cd. Their recent albums are a disgrace.

T-rex · 10-31-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Astennu

In Flames should have changed their name on all albums after Whoracle.

Quoted for fuckin' truth. Should have changed it to the Backstreet Boys (even though I liked Clayman)

niteflyx · 10-31-2007, 07:10 PM

Old In Flames got me into metal.

10-31-2007, 02:01 PM	#52 (permalink)
FulorianC Real Life Apologist Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denton, Texas Posts: 2,037	The above Youtube listing is a good batch of suggestions. You sound like a power metal fan in the making. Another great genre that has started coming to fruition in the last ten years is symphonic metal, which is largely a hybrid of gothic, progressive, and power metal... It's pretty much (in my opinion) the ultimate incarnation of melodic metal. A few of the bands you listed dabble in it too, especially Blind Guardian. Their "A Night at the Opera" was a really influential album in the symphonic metal world - as well as, to many, their magnum opus. Rhapsody is a bit cheesy for my tastes, but it's definitely symphonic metal too. Here's my suggestions to add on to Gudrid's list (with some crossover). YouTube - Nightwish - Nemo YouTube - KAMELOT - The Haunting YouTube - Epica - Never Enough YouTube - Lacuna Coil - Heaven's A Lie YouTube - Within Temptation: The Howling YouTube - Leaves' Eyes - Elegy YouTube - Sonata Arctica - Paid In Full YouTube - Symphony X "Serpent's Kiss" YouTube - Therion - Summernight City (they don't make many videos, best I could find) Last edited by FulorianC; 10-31-2007 at 02:11 PM..

10-31-2007, 06:57 PM	#58 (permalink)
Vorph Fuck Art, Let's Kill Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 7,245	I fear I am too late, and another one may be lost to power metal. Dan Swanö - Moontower Edge of Sanity - Crimson Edge of Sanity - Crimson II Edge of Sanity - Purgatory Afterglow (you can never have too much Swanö) Katatonia - Brave Murder Day is by far the best, but that one has Mikael Åkerfeldt doing the same growled vox he used on early Opeth albums, so you might not like it. Anything recent by them would probably be more appealing to someone who doesn't like death vox. Aurora - EOS Ayreon - The Human Equation (I cannot recommend this album strongly enough to do it justice -- if you have even the slightest interest in prog metal, get it immediately) Evergrey - Solitude + Dominance + Tragedy Fall of the Leafe - Vantage (now that Oink is gone I doubt you'll ever find it to listen to, but it's good enough that I'll mention it anyway) Green Carnation - Light of Day, Day of Darkness (definitely not for everyone since it's one 60 minute song, but it's one of my favorite progressive concept albums) Grey Skies Fallen - The Fate of Angels / Tomorrow's In Doubt (local band from Philly, again hard to find but well worth it) Iced Earth - everything from The Dark Saga to Horrorshow Isis - In the Absence of Truth (some songs have vocals you won't like, but the music is so damn good you might overlook it -- if so, get Panopticon too) Novembre - Dreams D'Azur The Old Dead Tree - The Nameless Disease If you like a mix of male (sung, but with occasional growling) and female (high-pitched but not operatic cheese like, say, Nightwish) vocals I'd also recommend Tristania, Sirenia, and Lacuna Coil. The newer the release, the less likely you'll find growling, especially with Lacuna Coil who haven't used it since their first EP. Avoid their latest album like the plague, it's utter shit. I second the Demons & Wizard recommendation, but only their first album. And if you're going to get into In Flames, you owe it to yourself to at least try to give The Jester Race an open-minded listen. I know several people who "hated death vocals" who changed their minds simply based on that one cd. Their recent albums are a disgrace. __________________ ...the whole world's going to blow up anyway. I might as well keep my pride. eRepublik Referral (PM me for assistance if you start up using my link) Last edited by Vorph; 10-31-2007 at 07:06 PM..

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10-31-2007, 08:48 AM	#46 (permalink)
FulorianC Real Life Apologist Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denton, Texas Posts: 2,037	What makes me sad is that the almost midi-like sound of Dragonforce is as close as many people have heard to any melodic metal, and that's the sole reason they listen to it. Truly sad.

10-31-2007, 01:56 PM	#51 (permalink)
Astennu Stand Ablaze Join Date: May 2003 Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 226	In Flames should have changed their name on all albums after Whoracle.

10-31-2007, 02:16 PM	#53 (permalink)
niteflyx Fuckin' 07er Join Date: May 2007 Location: Philly Posts: 750 +11 Internets	I'll agree with the other suggestions given here; you sound like a power metal guy. Symphonic might work for you too, and as someone else mentioned, maybe some newer In Flames or Soilwork to begin your delving into Melodic Death metal, which has both singing and growling in it, and almost all of the riffs are 'melodic' in nature, as in, not ugly dissonant chords and notes. Soilwork - As We Speak In Flames - Take This Life Disarmonia Mundi - Celestial Furnace(Same vocalist from Soilwork) It sounded like the stuff you called "shit" was straight up "death metal"; this stuff is referred to as Melodic Death, and how I got into the genre awhile back. I didn't enjoy straight up "death metal", but now I enjoy some death metal, technical death metal, and some of the "uglier" things in genre. The more you get into, the more you appreciate other things and everything you thought you enjoyed before metal just pales into comparison.

10-31-2007, 03:11 PM	#54 (permalink)
Hateyou Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 2,052	Some one mention Opeth to him, wtf.

10-31-2007, 04:45 PM	#56 (permalink)
Astennu Stand Ablaze Join Date: May 2003 Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 226	Opeth are Gods among men in metal. Listen to "The Drapery Falls" from Blackwater Park. It is by far my personal favorite Opeth song. You can't go wrong with any of their records. This a live video for The Drapery Falls with the "classic" line-up. Sadly Martin (drums) and Peter (guitar) are no longer with band:

10-31-2007, 05:31 PM	#57 (permalink)
niteflyx Fuckin' 07er Join Date: May 2007 Location: Philly Posts: 750 +11 Internets	Mmmm, Opeth. But he said anything with screaming/growling vocals were "shit", so, there goes a lot of really good metal. Although Damnation by Opeth is a full clean, progressive album by them.

10-31-2007, 07:10 PM	#60 (permalink)
niteflyx Fuckin' 07er Join Date: May 2007 Location: Philly Posts: 750 +11 Internets	Old In Flames got me into metal.