Who are the Ripoffs?

[DRocleric]

Every band has their influences, but at some point drawing influence and paying homage from/to other bands becomes just plain old ripping-off. Who are the most guilty parties?


mypicks-
Tool's new stuff sounds like its ripped off from Isis
Interpol, She Wants Revenge - Joy Division rippoffs
Every Time I Die - FLAGRANT Botch ripoff... seriously
Coheed - duh, hi Rush


who do you think?

[Zeste]

Originally Posted by DRocleric

Tool's new stuff sounds like its ripped off from Isis

who do you think?

You mean that the other way around, right? I really think there is a 0% chance that Tool is ripping off the band they had open for them during some of their 2006 tour.

[Kasonic]

The music industry is running out of creative juice when stuff like Sun O))) is put in the same category as, well, music. I'm sure you can find a ripoff/tribute/etc. in every song you've ever heard in the past 10 years. Topics like this seem like masturbation.

[Spare Oom and War Drobe]

Originally Posted by Kasonic

The music industry is running out of creative juice when stuff like Sun O))) is put in the same category as, well, music.

See them live and then kill yourself.
That said, Sunn 0))) copies Earth. Thats two N's. They admit to it and actually came together because of their love for Earth.

OP is retarded if he can't see that Isis pray every night to sound more like their favorite Tool songs

[DRocleric]

Originally Posted by Zeste

You mean that the other way around, right? I really think there is a 0% chance that Tool is ripping off the band they had open for them during some of their 2006 tour.

You mean like how System of a Down sounds like they've been ripping off Mindless Self Indulgence on their Hyptnotize/Mezmerize CDs? Yeah they had MSI opening up for them also

[kogarne]

nt

[theawddone]

Drudkh's Blood in the Wells, and Melechesh' Emissaries were two very unique releases of the year IMO.

[Ham n Cheese]

Interpol doesn't sound much like Joy Division to me and has put out some really great stuff imo. She wants revenge on the otherhand sounds like a complete joy division ripoff.

chevelle is a tool ripoff
keane is kind of a coldplay rip off
infact I'm tired of all bands with a man sitting at a piano these days.

[Warrik]

Each generation has a specific sound. The 50's was the emergence of rock and roll, The 60's hippy rock, the 70's was disco, the 80's glam rock, the 90's grunge, and finally, the new milennium is the genration of pop. Lets hope 2011-2020 sees a return to better music.

So far, this generation has been the most transparent of all generations when it comes to the music industries cash machine. Pop stars singing songs they dont write, with music played by musicians they never met produced by men who work on hordes of other artists to pump out the next single.

[frott]

I wouldn't say bands are genuinely "ripoffs," they are amalgams, unless they are a put together entity made specifically to sound the same. Look at all of those 90s bands that sounded strikingly like Nirvana without pulling off the tortured artist routine?

And yea, LOL at Tool "ripping off" Isis. Someone needs to look at the history books where Tool basically started as a cross between the prog-rock of Rush and the techno-industrial metal of something like Fear Factory.


That is they take elements of styles/genres/other bands and mush them together.

Interpol is a great example of this. Listen to every interpol song and really in the end the only similarity between them and Joy Division is that the singers have vaguely similar "down in the bottom of their throat" voices. So what? Joy division never used reverby "walls of sound" or lurching drones in their songs. They were crisp and jagged.

The Strokes had that go off as well, where you could take songs like When It Started and say "Hey, they're ripping off the Velvet Underground." Just because he's sorta doing a lou reed voice and it is recorded raw. I anal-yzed one of their albums and found all of the songs that sounded really strikingly similar to the chord progressions or sounds: dolly parton, sonic youth, reo speedwagon, the cars. Rip offs? Nah, just picking and choosing the bits of music they give a shit about and forming that amalgam.

And Warrik - that's what the post-industrial music biz was about in the late 1800s till the 1940s, and it never went away. Just look at the Billboard charts of every year and you'll see that most all of it is filled with "produced" music, rather than music created by the musicians.

I don't think anyone would be surprised if the various bands that are viewed as hard-working artists were revealed to simply be doing what a team of songwriters, craftsmen and PR specialists were packaging them as. There are very, very few of these artists anymore. There was a boom of them in the early 90s, but it basically goes hippies -> punks -> metalheads -> grunge. Most everything else in there has a AR Team sponsorship to some degree, that has been seen in the public eye.

Of course any group of folks can get together and make songs, but those that touch the sacred channels of radio and tv? Artists crafting art? Puh-leese.



Besides, when you start talking about music forms, isn't everyone ripping it off after the first person does it? Aren't "rock bands" just Led Sabbath? You mean to tell me there's something new with prog since Magma and Rush? Or something new with metal since Exodus, Slayer and Sepultura? Synth-Folk will never be more than a modern Silver Apples. How can you bother with post-punk when epic bands like Joy Division and Wire did it decades ago?

Besides duder killing himself, synths weren't exactly cheap and easy and free for all to get when joy division were doing that. It makes them special, and made New Order what it is. People forget that part today where anyone can download a freeware synth and go beep bop boop.


It is a chilly day in Hell when you've got a new generation of tweenie girls getting moist to a fucking Supertramp song covered by some douchebag who's music career ties directly into his show on tha WB or what-have-you.

[Ham n Cheese]

Yeah everyone copies everything in every sort of creative expression in some way. It's not that they're trying to copy and get rich off whta they did (most of the time), but a lot of these bands were other bands favorites growing up and heavy *influences* on their music.

[Millie]

There are no real rip-off artists, eh? Sounds as if some of you haven't listened to a song by Jet before!

[Rhaze]

Early saves the day = lifetime

[Hateyou]

I heard Vanilla Ice ripped off some song called Under Pressure.

[Surlok TP]

There would be a lot less discussions like these if more people stopped and learned a bit about instruments and songwriting or the basic creation of music.

You look at certain bands, I'll use Metallica as an example since they are basically my biggest influence playing guitar. I learned to play via Metallica riffs. You take the most known Metallica riffs that Hetfield wrote and you'll notice that they are mainly in the same keys and use generally the same notes in the same positions on the Guitar. Then go look at some of the bands Hetfield labels as influences toward himself and you'll find alot of those songs follow the same general chord structures and progressions.

As a result my first forrays into song writing sounding like I was trying to rip off Metallica and doing a poor job of it. As I got better at guitar and started to explore other styles of play outside of the metal bracket I learned some new techniques and expanded my style a bit. I don't know what I sound like now. Half the time I don't like what I come up with because I try to incorporate to much into a song. So then I go back and try and strip it and often fall back on other artists for inspiration. I'll write a song in their style.

Eventually you start working with other people , some will have similar tastes as you and you are going to come off sounding like whatever bands you spent most of your time learning from, others will have more eclectic tastes and something maybe original or fresh sounding will come of it. Or you will consciously strive to make something original.


For more own tastes I could care less about sounding original, I just want to play stuff that I enjoy. Their are certain riffs that I could play over and over on the guitar, for what seems like hours just because I love the sound that comes out of the amp with it blasting. When I consciously try to right I will strive to write something that just rocks, regardless of how many times it has been done before.

Bands like AC/DC have made a career of doing just that. There isn't any real progression with them but they build on one great riff, that just gets you pumped when you hear it. The music is standard blues rock and there isn't anything original really that hadn't been done tons before, maybe with less screaming and distortion, but it works because the people that listen to it listen to it for that reason.


When I listen to a band like Tool I think wow, it'd be great to play a song like that but I don't have the patience to compose and layer like they do.I am more simplistic in my writing cause I just want to play a rock and roll song, originality be damned.